MJOLNIR Armours vs. KATARN Armour

[noncredible]

Which is better: MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armour (the newest version) or KATARN-class Commando Armour (Mark III)?

By "better", I mean "Which can take more of a pounding?"

[Chaotic Neutral]

Which one stands up to SW weapons?

That was easy.

[noncredible]

Couldnt the Covenant handguns be compared to blasters? And we know that without the shield, the armour was pierced by a Covenant handgun but the skin underneath was only "blackened and cracked". With the shield, it should be able to withstand a few shots.

[adam_grif]

Actual yield of SW hand-blasters is unknown, they range from blowing chunks in walls to giving people minor burns. Effects seem to be thermal and interaction with and efficacy on SPARTAN shields is unknown and unknowable. SW armor's resilience to kinetic penetrators is unknown because nobody ever uses them on-screen.

t-minus 30 seconds until someone posts some EU cross-section book that says stormtrooper armor is "immune to bullets" or some shit.

[noncredible]

"t-minus 30 seconds until someone posts some EU cross-section book that says stormtrooper armor is "immune to bullets" or some shit."

Thats the tactic I use against the Halo fan-whore at my school. It probably wouldnt even get to ground combat.

And KATARN armour probably is resistant to most bullets. Though Halo bullets presumably. travel faster.

[Stark]

Why?

[Norade]

In the Young Jedi Knights series a Stormtrooper is hit by a thrown durasteel spear that lifts him from his feet and flings him across a room hard enough to render him unconscious and all that does is make a nick in his armor. So yeah, Stormies are immune to damn near any bullet you can fire from an unmounted weapon.

[Chaotic Neutral]

Trandoshan projectile weapons do no more damage to KATARN armor than blasters do.

[Stark]

That doesn't mean shit, since they're heavier weapons.

[Darksider]

They also aren't pure slugthrowers. According to the game manual, they're some kind of accelerated particle weapon, they just use shells to hold a charge instead of a power pack like a normal blaster.

Boss' exact quote upon finding a Trandoshan shotgun is "An energy weapon that looks like a slugthrower."

[noncredible]

Are there any statistics on the speeds of Halo slugthrowers anywhere? I would assume they are faster than 21st century weapons (musket vs sniper rifle).

[adam_grif]

Halo is VIETNAM IN SPACE and they mostly use rounds that exist today. The Haloid assault rifle fires 7.62 x 51mm ammunition, the Sniper Rifle fires 14.5 x 114mm rounds. There are a few fictional rounds like for the Battle Rifle and SMG, but other than that, it's basically what we have today.

So no, they aren't "much better" unless you're talking about like Spartan Laser and Gauss weapons, neither of which are standard issue and one of which is only vehicle mounted.

[Norade]

The space Vietnam Halo weapons would need about the power of a GAU-8 to kill the Stormie and even then the armor would still be in one piece. The usual MG armed Warthogs would have trouble, but assuming their stats are to be believed the Guass Hogs would kill Stormies with ease.

[Ritterin Sophia]

The space Vietnam Halo weapons would need about the power of a GAU-8 to kill the Stormie and even then the armor would still be in one piece.

Yeah I wouldn't put it that far, I'm pretty sure something like 14.5mm or 20mm anti-material rifle or autocannon should suffice. Granted that still leaves out anything except Halo's dedicated AT weapons.

[adam_grif]

Schatten, the sniper rifle fires 14.5mm rounds. As previously stated.

To whoever posted about stormtroopers taking mega ultra spears hurled at the speed of light or whatever, don't we have examples of arrows and rocks thrown by teddy bears killing stormtroopers? Just saying. Even if the bullets can't penetrate their plate armor, they'll still score some kills when bullets fly into the soft parts.

[Chaotic Neutral]

Are we talking about MJOLNIR vs Stormtrooper armor, or KATARN armor?

Because one is mass produced for trillions, and the other is spec-ops armor with a shield.

[Srelex]

Schatten, the sniper rifle fires 14.5mm rounds. As previously stated.

To whoever posted about stormtroopers taking mega ultra spears hurled at the speed of light or whatever, don't we have examples of arrows and rocks thrown by teddy bears killing stormtroopers? Just saying. Even if the bullets can't penetrate their plate armor, they'll still score some kills when bullets fly into the soft parts.

Knocking them over, yes. We have no evidence that they were actually killed.

[takemeout_totheblack]

I think the Halo fluff has a special sniper rifle that uses gauss tech to launch a .21 cal bullet to 15km/s or something. Even if that didn't penetrate a Stormie's armor, without some kind of futuristic shockwave-mitigation-thingy ( like a SPARTAN's hydrostatic gel) I think the clone/conscript inside would be turned to pasta sauce.

Based off of the 5mm/10mm dimentions of a normal 20cal round and using the site's KE calc
High ball estimates would be 480+ kilojoules (tungsten or depleted uranium round)
Low ball estimates would be 250+ kilojoules (lead/copper round)
I'd go with the higher density calcs, as that's probably what a military would use for ordinance.

Vehicle Mounted gauss weapons throw a 25/130mm lump of metal at a slightly lower speed, 13.7km/s. Again, denser materials like tungsten or DU would most likely be used for the exact same reason they're used IRL. That would put the larger gauss cannon in the 90 megajoule range for a 1 kilogram projectile moving at a mach 40 clip.

While trouble for any normal Stormie, Katarn armor may mitigate the effects of the gauss sniper rifle, but the gauss cannon would probably paint the battlefield an amusing shade of 'oh shit!' red regardless.

[Norade]

According to an old thread the spear throwing incident places a lower limit for penetrating Storm Trooper armor at 255 kilojoules, of course the spear made only a nick and didn't even knock the trooper down. It also hit with much more momentum than even the better sniper round as that sniper round still won't toss a man across the room hard enough to nearly KO him. So if the DU sniper round fails to penetrate, and actually imparts the 480 kJof energy to any part aside from the head that trooper is likely to be injured and near certainly stunned but not likely to be killed.

That's without shields, with Droideka level shielding that still might not be enough. Of course we never see such small shields take pure KE impacts so who knows.

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As for the spartan, it takes around 15 hits from a 7.62mm round to down his shields and kill him/her. Assuming the round fired from the battle rifle weighs 22g (double a very heavy 7.62mm round) and leaves the barrel at 818m/s each round is striking with 7.4 kJ of energy meaning 88.8 kJ to down the shields and a handful of rounds to penetrate the armor.

*Thanks also to Darth Wong from his hate mail section, and of course to his relativistic impact calculator.*

[Chaotic Neutral]

Wrong, for a Spartan, it takes infinity (Or enough to kill him by lack of food and water or gravity) 7.62 rounds to kill him, as they won't penetrate his armor.

[Stark]

Uh, what?

[The Vortex Empire]

Wrong, for a Spartan, it takes infinity (Or enough to kill him by lack of food and water or gravity) 7.62 rounds to kill him, as they won't penetrate his armor.

Right, because multiple shots to the visor or the soft, poorly armored bits totally won't penetrate ever. Goddamn.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Schatten, the sniper rifle fires 14.5mm rounds. As previously stated.

I know it does, the problem being that SRS-99s aren't issued at the squad level. The only Spartan that consistently uses it is Linda, the rest prefer BR55s, MA5s, M7 SMGs, or shotguns; though they will probably have an M19.

I think the Halo fluff has a special sniper rifle that uses gauss tech to launch a .21 cal bullet to 15km/s or something. Even if that didn't penetrate a Stormie's armor, without some kind of futuristic shockwave-mitigation-thingy ( like a SPARTAN's hydrostatic gel) I think the clone/conscript inside would be turned to pasta sauce.

They also require an external power generator and are extremely rare, in fact the only time we've seen one used was when it was given to them by ONI.

The Stancheon is not a typical weapon for the UNSC.

[Chaotic Neutral]

I still don't understand why SPARTANS aren't given .75 Armor-Piercing High-Explosive Grenade Launchers as a basic sidearm.

They can use it. If your worried about ammo, at least give them automatic sniper rifles with much shorter barrels and huge clips.

[adam_grif]

Worrying about SPARTAN infantry weapons is the least of the UNSC's concerns given that they already do a good job. It would be far more effective to just issue 30-40mm grenade launchers with every squad or better yet, fireteam. It's not like the covenant forces keep their distance and attack with highly effective long range weapons (lol plasma mortar).