Wasn't the big idea of ME1 was that attacking the citadel first allowed the reapers to strike at the head instantly and cripple the standing goverment? I don't think it's ever been stated they couldn't come back by their own means, just that the war would have been over before it had started if Sovereign had succeded.
Then again I could be misremembering things.
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It's like two or three jumps from the edge of the galaxy to the Citadel, by Mass Relay. They probably wouldn't even run into anybody until they actually arrived at the Citadel, where they could just take it over and shut down the network like they originally planned.
The central issue is that they waited almost a thousand years until they finally just decided to fly here. They've been trying ever since the Rachni wars, which happened Late Medieval/Early Renaissance from Earth's perspective. If it was only like an 18 month trip, it's basically shocking they they've waited this long.
You could have just hand-waved it earlier as "they are sleeping, they don't know anything is wrong", but since ME2 we now know that at least one Reaper was awake there, and could have woken the others (Harbinger).
The central issue is that they waited almost a thousand years until they finally just decided to fly here. They've been trying ever since the Rachni wars, which happened Late Medieval/Early Renaissance from Earth's perspective. If it was only like an 18 month trip, it's basically shocking they they've waited this long.
You could have just hand-waved it earlier as "they are sleeping, they don't know anything is wrong", but since ME2 we now know that at least one Reaper was awake there, and could have woken the others (Harbinger).
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I'm pretty sure the Citadel was just meant to be used as a signal relay to give an "all clear" message to the sleeping Reapers.adam_grif wrote:It's like two or three jumps from the edge of the galaxy to the Citadel, by Mass Relay. They probably wouldn't even run into anybody until they actually arrived at the Citadel, where they could just take it over and shut down the network like they originally planned.
The central issue is that they waited almost a thousand years until they finally just decided to fly here. They've been trying ever since the Rachni wars, which happened Late Medieval/Early Renaissance from Earth's perspective. If it was only like an 18 month trip, it's basically shocking they they've waited this long.
You could have just hand-waved it earlier as "they are sleeping, they don't know anything is wrong", but since ME2 we now know that at least one Reaper was awake there, and could have woken the others (Harbinger).
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No, the Citadel was itself a giant mass relay, probably with a Twin near the Reaper's sleeping place in Dark Space, and was supposed to facilitate the instantaneous transfer from their position in dark space to the heart of galactic politics. The Citadel itself has control of the Relay network, and can shut it down remotely, isolating clusters from each other (colonies tend to be widely dispersed, too).
Sovereign wasn't even supposed to have to come near the Citadel, he was supposed to wait around until galactic civilization was ripe for harvest, and then signal the Keepers, who would fire up the Relay and wake the Reapers. The Keepers didn't respond and nothing happened.
Sovereign wasn't even supposed to have to come near the Citadel, he was supposed to wait around until galactic civilization was ripe for harvest, and then signal the Keepers, who would fire up the Relay and wake the Reapers. The Keepers didn't respond and nothing happened.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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Why does Shepard need to rally the alien menagerie to save Earth? Why won't the big damn distress beacon from the Sol system alert the entirety of civilized space that the Reapers are here and they are torching Earth?
Cue entirely predictable "We're still butthurt over the Destiny Ascension" and/or "Reapers are just a myth" and/or "Damn humans, why can't you deal with your own problems and leave the rest of us out of this?" and/or "I think I'll be a stupid racist asshole and deny my fleet's support for Earth because some human watered down my coffee that one time 3 years ago."
Cue entirely predictable "We're still butthurt over the Destiny Ascension" and/or "Reapers are just a myth" and/or "Damn humans, why can't you deal with your own problems and leave the rest of us out of this?" and/or "I think I'll be a stupid racist asshole and deny my fleet's support for Earth because some human watered down my coffee that one time 3 years ago."
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Well, they're all busy. The Asari are getting attacked by space werewolves, the Volus are going through a war of succession, the Salarians are locked in a giant tower fighting off abominations, and the Turians are being lead by a corrupt, power hungry dictator who betrayed humanity at the last minute so their fleet would die taking on the Reapers and leave him with all the power.
In ME3 you'll go around to get the support of Volus, Asari and Salarians in whatever order you please, then you have to meet the Turians on neutral ground to arrange a truce while you all fight off the Reapers. BUT THEY BETRAY YOU IN A SHOCKING TWIST, and you install Garrus as the new ruler of the Turian people, or you can hook up with the former ruler's daughter to take the presidency yourself.
In ME3 you'll go around to get the support of Volus, Asari and Salarians in whatever order you please, then you have to meet the Turians on neutral ground to arrange a truce while you all fight off the Reapers. BUT THEY BETRAY YOU IN A SHOCKING TWIST, and you install Garrus as the new ruler of the Turian people, or you can hook up with the former ruler's daughter to take the presidency yourself.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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I haven't played ME2 yet, but given the fact that it's a Bioware game, I presume there's yet more of the:
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"Oh dear god I'm getting torn in half!"
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Re: Uncharted 3, new Bioware game, VGA etc.
The council denies the existence of the Reapers to you, but if you look at what's going on behind the scenes, I think it's pretty obvious that they know they exist, but are just maintaining a policy of public denial and mockery. Shepard is working with Cerberus, and thus is being kept out of the council loop.
The Turian councilor is the one who denounces them the loudest, but the Turians are the ones who recovered the biggest chunks of Sovereign, and we know thanks to Cerberus that you can date Reapers (that's how they knew the Reaper corpse in ME2 was 37 myo), so it's not like they wouldn't know that it's far older than the ~300 years that the Geth have existed. The Salarians had the STG team survivors from Virmire, along with any data and equipment they had which was recovered by the Systems Alliance (which also will have this information). They've got the testimony of the entire Normandy crew, any footage, sensor data etc it may have grabbed. The council races have all been engaged in combat with the remaining heretic Geth forces, none of which have anything resembling the technology from Sovereign, even though it's plainly apparent that there's no reason they shouldn't be mass producing such devices since the Turians have managed to miniaturize and mass produce them such that they can wield Cruiser level firepower on their fighters now. Cerberus had access to an actual in-tact Reaper for study, the Alliance and other races have Dragon's Teeth reaper Tech to study, the Alliance / Cerberus has reaper computers and shit from which they partially reverse engineered EDI.
If Bioware writes ME3 such that the actual council races are SKEPTICAL, and not just putting on that show publicly, and demand evidence in ME3, that will be ABYSMAL writing. Hopefully they aren't that shit.
The Turian councilor is the one who denounces them the loudest, but the Turians are the ones who recovered the biggest chunks of Sovereign, and we know thanks to Cerberus that you can date Reapers (that's how they knew the Reaper corpse in ME2 was 37 myo), so it's not like they wouldn't know that it's far older than the ~300 years that the Geth have existed. The Salarians had the STG team survivors from Virmire, along with any data and equipment they had which was recovered by the Systems Alliance (which also will have this information). They've got the testimony of the entire Normandy crew, any footage, sensor data etc it may have grabbed. The council races have all been engaged in combat with the remaining heretic Geth forces, none of which have anything resembling the technology from Sovereign, even though it's plainly apparent that there's no reason they shouldn't be mass producing such devices since the Turians have managed to miniaturize and mass produce them such that they can wield Cruiser level firepower on their fighters now. Cerberus had access to an actual in-tact Reaper for study, the Alliance and other races have Dragon's Teeth reaper Tech to study, the Alliance / Cerberus has reaper computers and shit from which they partially reverse engineered EDI.
If Bioware writes ME3 such that the actual council races are SKEPTICAL, and not just putting on that show publicly, and demand evidence in ME3, that will be ABYSMAL writing. Hopefully they aren't that shit.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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It'd be pretty ridiculous for the Council races to be skeptical of a damn Reaper attack when the Reapers are actually attacking. Personally, I'm pretty sure you'll be searching for a deus ex machina that was hinted on that planet description in ME1, the beings of light meant to save us all from the 'machine devils'.
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That's possible but given the plot of the game as leaked by the Bioware store description (rally allies to fight off the reapers) I'm thinking more Dragon Age plot. The Reapers aren't invincible, and now we have Thanix Gun / Javelin missiles which are substantially more effective than anything we had circa ME1. Who knows what the Geth have been working on as well, we've only seen the Heretic geth ships.
You'll just get all the factions in a room and hit the blue-text option, and they will all break into a big group hug and share all their tech with each other, then unite to fight off the Reapers and promote healthcare reform.
You'll just get all the factions in a room and hit the blue-text option, and they will all break into a big group hug and share all their tech with each other, then unite to fight off the Reapers and promote healthcare reform.
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A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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I don't know - I think the council proved in ME2 how much a bunch of useless turds they were. And basing the trilogy's conclusion on a deus ex machina that was, to its credit, implied in the first game, would still suck IMO. I would seriously laugh if Shepard tracked that volus guy down and it turned out to be a red herring.
Aw who am I kidding this is bioware we're talking about.
Aw who am I kidding this is bioware we're talking about.
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The Alliance's prime suspect for the abductions was Cerberus, i.e. they thought it was an internal matter. The human colonies in Terminus space don't get the protection of the council anyway, and the Alliance was already working on the problem. They were indeed useless, but I'm not really sure what you expected them to do anyway because of lolterminuswar, the same reason they couldn't rescue their STG team in the first game.I don't know - I think the council proved in ME2 how much a bunch of useless turds they were.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on the Reaper issue because I want to believe that somebody is proofreading shit at Bioware.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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I always thought the abnormal sun in the Tali recruitment mission in ME2 was the key to beating at least some portion of the Reapers - lure them all in and make the sun go supernova.
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I think the Reapers would be unimpressed by something that failed to damage the Mu Relay.
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Perhaps the Reapers method of entry will explain why there areno council fleets stopping them? Guess we'll just have to wait and see at this stage.
Or maybe on seeing what happened to Earth the Council races all panicked and withdrew thier fleets to protect thier own homeworlds or somthing?
Or maybe on seeing what happened to Earth the Council races all panicked and withdrew thier fleets to protect thier own homeworlds or somthing?
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Hilariously no matter how bad Bioware is at writing a sci fi they're still better than Bungie.
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Bungie isn't that horrible, they just love the "bad guys are retarded" trope. Except in Reach.CaptHawkeye wrote:Hilariously no matter how bad Bioware is at writing a sci fi they're still better than Bungie.
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Bungie and Bioware are in some ways complete opposites: while Bioware is all style and no substance, Bungie's shown with Reach that they couldn't pull off style - particularly pathos - to save their lives.
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I saw this somewhere but apparently Kratos will be in the next Mortal Kombat game?
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Only in the PS3 version. Dunno if there will be exclusive characters for the other consoles or what they will be.
Edit: Apparently the rumors going around are that it's Fenix from Gears but who the fuck knows.
Edit: Apparently the rumors going around are that it's Fenix from Gears but who the fuck knows.
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Are you kidding? Bungie couldn't write drama to save their lives. I spent the entire time playing Reach bored out of my skull because there was no real tension throughout the game.Oscar Wilde wrote:Bungie isn't that horrible, they just love the "bad guys are retarded" trope. Except in Reach.CaptHawkeye wrote:Hilariously no matter how bad Bioware is at writing a sci fi they're still better than Bungie.
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Haha, did you love all their attempts to stir emotion? CAPTAIN NOBODY DIED and ... it felt boring. They had epic battles to save mankind from unstoppable doom and they made it seem pedestrian.Moby Halcyon wrote:Bungie and Bioware are in some ways complete opposites: while Bioware is all style and no substance, Bungie's shown with Reach that they couldn't pull off style - particularly pathos - to save their lives.
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How the fuck did Sergeant Forgettable from Black Ops win character of the year against John Marston?
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Did you see the nominees for GOTY Schatten? ME2, RDR, God of War III (lol), Halo Reach (lol), CoDBlops (LOL). But really, John Marsdon had some pretty stiff competition from the other nominees; some guy from blops, Kratos ( 
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Yeah, the real winner should have been Kratos. He's just such an interesting and multifacited character.
) and Ezio from Asscreed. Yeah, the real winner should have been Kratos. He's just such an interesting and multifacited character.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'