Texas Woman Jailed for Overdue Library Books

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Re: Texas Woman Jailed for Overdue Library Books

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General Zod wrote: Which brings me back to the point of "so what"? If I were to follow your logic to its natural conclusion any number of hideous crimes aren't worth prosecuting.
You don't need hideous crimes to make life unbereable, all that's needed is knowledge that blatant theft or fraud will not be prosecuted by the state because it's "not worth the time".

It means people could rip you off in the most blatant ways, like not paying bills, witholding pay from workers, outright stealing, etc.

Basic interactions we engage in every day work on the presumption of honesty from the people we deal with ; Part of our capability to extend this presumption to strangers is that, should the stranger blatantly screw us over, we can go to the courts and expect a reasonable outcome. Same goes for a stranger who might otherwise feel the inclination to just not pay the bill you issued, who can be reasonably certain something so blatant will get him punished.

So, what happens if the courts decide things below a certain treshold are not worth the time to deal with? How would you like to have to live in a place where you have to be guarded, all the time, against people who would blatantly rip you off and then go "what'cha gonna do about it?" to your face? You don't even need for them to be a majority, just a statistically significant percentage. The inevitable consequence of that state of affairs is, of course, rampant emergence of vigilante justice and re-emergence of tribal and clan social relations, where members of a group treat all outsiders like enemies unless proven otherwise.

So, yeah ,it is certainly worth it to prosecute petty crimes against property if the victim feels the need for it. And it is definitely worth it to make examples of people who feel they can just throw court summons in the trash without a word of explanation (really, that girl could have recovered even from that, had she contacted the court and explained why she can't attend), no matter the reason for the summons.
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Re: Texas Woman Jailed for Overdue Library Books

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Right now, small claims is rough enough as it is, but having a system in place that blows off small-money crimes is a terrible idea. I can imagine a situation like the one I read here years ago when some degenerate posted a fake craigslist ad claiming "Free stuff" at some person's home. If multiple people show up and only take $200 or so worth the property, then you're talking numerous small-cases that could add up to more than 4 times the value of the items stolen. Even if the total amount stolen is in the thousands of dollars, I believe police have to charge them all individually unless they can prove some kind of collusion (correct me if I'm wrong).

I won't go into the crime of the asshole who posted the fake ad, but the people fooled are still stealing, even if they're stupid enough to believe everything they read online. They should rightfully be prosecuted. Luckily, since theft charges are usually a combined effort through the victim and the justice system, you can receive restitution (hopefully...).

But that's actual theft. And unfortunately, this situation isn't all that uncommon when it comes to private rental or professional services. After-all, the government can always press charges because they already have the lawyers, judges, etc on staff. But if I decide to screw the guy who mows the office lawn by not paying him the $100 a month, what can he realistically do about it? Small claims court may be an option, but just considering the time lost, he'd end up losing money in the long run. But at least he has the option, for whatever it's worth.

This kind of rubs me the wrong way because I dealt with a library that got hosed in the tens of thousands of dollars range because some guy under-cut our install bid by half (which is not possible to do legitimately) and committed mass software piracy and contract fraud. But the kicker was the head librarian considered not pressing charges because the installer's wife had cancer. We'd find out later he wasn't even married, but that isn't really the point.
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