Super Mario Galaxy 2

[General Zod]

The camera in SMG2 actually didn't bother me that much, but I realize it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand, games like Oneechanbara? Now there's a shitty camera system.

[Chardok]

I...don't...understand your...post?

I'm saying that a 10/10 doesn't mean I'm going to enjoy the game. By that logic I should enjoy blops or reach or GTA 4.

Well, that's why I feel like it's important to have a conglomeration of opinions (NOT METACRITIC) but find some reviewers you share opinions with (My preferred reviewer is actuaqlly Stark - we share a lot of the same opinions in many cases with a few notable exceptions and he rarely steers me wrong; this is funny because of games I've convinced HIM to play because I like them, he almost universally hates them lol) beyond that, I also tend to align well with Justin McElroy of Joystiq and Richard Mitchell (also of Joystiq)

[Stark]

The camera in SMG2 actually didn't bother me that much, but I realize it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand, games like Oneechanbara? Now there's a shitty camera system.

The best part is that they insist on being indoors, to show of their terrible camera.

A cool podcast I listen to put it this way: a 10/10 does not mean a perfect game, it means it's a game that, no matter what genre you are a fan of, you will enjoy. Bascially an experience you should not miss. I agree with that assessment. a good example of a game like that would be something like Mass Effect 2 or, say not SMG 2.

It must be nice to redefine the universe to avoid the uncomfortable truth that the review 'industry' is useless and reviewers themselves extremely poor judges of games. The point remains that SMG2 can be an amazingly amazing Wii game and still quite average. To know what a game is like before you play it (the original intent of reviews) you just need to ask someone who isn't a moron. You might not like it as much/little as them, but people are far better at commuincating facts than a review which will be full of gonzo nonsense like I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE AMAZING.

Just don't ask someone like Whiplash who is a fanboy with no taste.

[DaveJB]

While I don't feel that the controls or camera system were ruinously bad in either Mario Galaxy game, I think what SMG2 really needed was a Classic Controller option. The only thing that the Wiimote pointer was really necessary for in SMG1 was collecting and firing the star bits, and would anyone honestly have missed those if they were dropped from SMG2?

[Stark]

The camera was only really a problem when you needed to do something the camera didn't 'want' you to, which occured pretty frequently if you were jumping around like a maniac and messing it up. It wasn't really that bad and was more 'occasionally annoying' than 'game ruining'.

[Chardok]

compare it to Ninja Gaiden - Better or worse? (NG is my comparison - I played SMG1 but not 2)

[Stark]

NG's camera will get you killed repeatedly until you get 'used' to it fucking you up or hiding badguys; in SMG1 the only problems I had were related to the perspective shifts fucking up my jumps. So 'much better'.

[Whiplash]

A cool podcast I listen to put it this way: a 10/10 does not mean a perfect game, it means it's a game that, no matter what genre you are a fan of, you will enjoy. Bascially an experience you should not miss. I agree with that assessment. a good example of a game like that would be something like Mass Effect 2 or, say not SMG 2

I'd actually say the opposite. I wouldn't recommend ME2 for people that aren't into sci-fi or shooters. Whereas platforming is literally my worst genre and yet I'm having a blast with it, hell I don't even rage quit as much when I die.

I expect a decent camera in my games these days and compared to platformers on the PS2 and PS3 both Galaxy games have me half blind and trying to manually focus the camera while unable to jump because of where the d-pad was placed on the Wiimote. Picture this exact same camera in Call of Duty, Halo, Ratchet and Clank and see if people would be willing to brush off how ass it is as a minor flaw.

Those mediums aren't even remotely comparable. The camera for an FPS and a platformer being compared in the same sentence. How's that even possible?

The same goes for the controls, I'd much rather play Mario 64 instead of Mario Galaxy simply because the controls are so much better. The Wiimote just hampers games with hamfisted controls that leave people who know how to use dual sticks wondering why there is no option for a better controller to be used. It isn't as if not shaking the controller or having to point at the screen is a major part of the game play experience.

That sounds more like a personal problem than a legit complaint. An actual complaint about the controls of the game, would be positioning issues with Mario during gravity shifts in tight places.

[Stark]

Yeah, I'm not sure what he was saying there. I think he means that people who play SMG2 aren't going to see 'zomg 10/10' (possibly because the very concept is stupid beyond belief) because its so primitive and traditional, whereas even non-gamers can be blown away by Bioware's bombastic dialogue and recycled plotlines. Polish is important, after all.

The most universally enjoyed game I have right now (for people who play games already, not normal people) is Saint's Row 2.

[Chardok]

A cool podcast I listen to put it this way: a 10/10 does not mean a perfect game, it means it's a game that, no matter what genre you are a fan of, you will enjoy. Bascially an experience you should not miss. I agree with that assessment. a good example of a game like that would be something like Mass Effect 2 or, say not SMG 2

I'd actually say the opposite. I wouldn't recommend ME2 for people that aren't into sci-fi or shooters. Whereas platforming is literally my worst genre and yet I'm having a blast with it, hell I don't even rage quit as much when I die.

You're dumb. I recommend ME2 to ANYone and not one single person I've gotten to play it has a complaint. In fact, I've heard many people say that they were so engrossed by the end that they actually read every codex entry because of the AWESOME. If you don't recommend ME2 to people who enjoy things like "fun" or "good things", then you're doing them a disservice, especially if they respect your opinion (for whatever weird reason)


PS STRAK - I told Sheri you're a bad man for introducing her to SR2 (Yeah, I saw her playing the other night. you can't sneak that shit by me, foolio.)


PPS - When is volition going to drop us some sweet, sweet SR3 info, me wonders?

[Whiplash]

A cool podcast I listen to put it this way: a 10/10 does not mean a perfect game, it means it's a game that, no matter what genre you are a fan of, you will enjoy. Bascially an experience you should not miss. I agree with that assessment. a good example of a game like that would be something like Mass Effect 2 or, say not SMG 2

I'd actually say the opposite. I wouldn't recommend ME2 for people that aren't into sci-fi or shooters. Whereas platforming is literally my worst genre and yet I'm having a blast with it, hell I don't even rage quit as much when I die.

You're dumb. I recommend ME2 to ANYone and not one single person I've gotten to play it has a complaint. In fact, I've heard many people say that they were so engrossed by the end that they actually read every codex entry because of the AWESOME. If you don't recommend ME2 to people who enjoy things like "fun" or "good things", then you're doing them a disservice, especially if they respect your opinion (for whatever weird reason)

That doesn't even counter what I said. I didn't even bash the game. Besides, I don't think Stark likes ME2. I wouldn't recommend it to someone that doesn't like sci-fi or shooters. That's kind of small group if you'd ask me.

I went against my discomfort of platformers to play SMG because a complaint about the game was that it was too easy. That way I can enjoy the game without struggling (too much) through it. ME2, doesn't have that forgiving (I don't think that's the right word) to it. Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it, but its not for everyone.

[Chardok]

That doesn't even counter what I said. I didn't even bash the game. Besides, I don't think Stark likes ME2. I wouldn't recommend it to someone that doesn't like sci-fi or shooters. That's kind of small group if you'd ask me.

Then you're wrong for not recommending it. You're also entitled, I suppose, to your wrong opinion that it will only appeal people who like sci-fi or shooters. Your bashing was implied and I will not sit idly by while you besmirch my sacred cow. The gauntlet is thrown sir, and I defy you to provide me with a reason ME2 is not a genre-transcendant title that should be experienced by everyone who cares about gaming.

Keep in mind, I will tell you when you're wrong and when your opinions are incorrect. I will, additionally, simply wave off any credible evidence you provide that contradicts my opinion and mercilessly make fun of you when you say something stupid, which will likely be everything you write.



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You have an Epic Mickey Avatar. You're also wrong for liking that game. and even if you don't like that game, you're wrong for liking that picture enough to make it your avatar. Jesus, man, what is wrong with you? (besides everything, I mean?)

[Stark]

PS STRAK - I told Sheri you're a bad man for introducing her to SR2 (Yeah, I saw her playing the other night. you can't sneak that shit by me, foolio.)


PPS - When is volition going to drop us some sweet, sweet SR3 info, me wonders?

She was up playing that shit till 0130 last night. I should never have bought her her own copy.

SR3 is apparently late 2011. Given Red Faction:G I am expecting them to totally ruin it.

[Chardok]

Here's the idea of the century - SR3 KINECT ENABLED.

I win. you're welcome, Volition, I just made you the #1 developer in the universe.

[Norade]

I expect a decent camera in my games these days and compared to platformers on the PS2 and PS3 both Galaxy games have me half blind and trying to manually focus the camera while unable to jump because of where the d-pad was placed on the Wiimote. Picture this exact same camera in Call of Duty, Halo, Ratchet and Clank and see if people would be willing to brush off how ass it is as a minor flaw.

Those mediums aren't even remotely comparable. The camera for an FPS and a platformer being compared in the same sentence. How's that even possible?

Ratchet and Clank isn't a platformer now?

[General Zod]

compare it to Ninja Gaiden - Better or worse? (NG is my comparison - I played SMG1 but not 2)

Which Ninja Gaiden? The camera in the first NG game was terrible, but they cleaned it up quite a bit for NG 2, and NG Sigma 2 actually cleaned it up even further and got rid of some of the stupid shit.

[Whiplash]

You have an Epic Mickey Avatar. You're also wrong for liking that game. and even if you don't like that game, you're wrong for liking that picture enough to make it your avatar. Jesus, man, what is wrong with you? (besides everything, I mean?)

I own the game, but I haven't played it yet. My backlog is too big and I want something to open on Christmas besides a new pair of converses. What's wrong with the boxart anyway? And stop trolling, its annoying.

I expect a decent camera in my games these days and compared to platformers on the PS2 and PS3 both Galaxy games have me half blind and trying to manually focus the camera while unable to jump because of where the d-pad was placed on the Wiimote. Picture this exact same camera in Call of Duty, Halo, Ratchet and Clank and see if people would be willing to brush off how ass it is as a minor flaw.

Those mediums aren't even remotely comparable. The camera for an FPS and a platformer being compared in the same sentence. How's that even possible?

Ratchet and Clank isn't a platformer now?

It is a platformer, but that doesn't justify you referencing Halo and Call of Duty in the same sentence.

I never played a Ratchet and Clank title so what the hell do I have to say about it? If you think its a better game, good for you. Stop acting so butthurt because you can't get people to agree with you on everything concerning games.

[Chardok]

You really are hopeless. Anyway - you'll see why EM is horrible when you play it. If it were me, I'd just return it for store credit now and pick up something better like Azurik: Rise of Perathia. You think the camera is bad in SMG2? WHOOOO boy are you in for a treat! Christmas = ruined for you. Sorry broseph.


How much ME2 did you play, anyway?

[General Zod]

Incidentally, it turns out Metroid Other M is surprisingly decent so far. I'm not too far through it but it actually feels like a genuine Metroid game despite the terrible voice acting and unskippable cutscenes.

[Whiplash]

You really are hopeless. Anyway - you'll see why EM is horrible when you play it. If it were me, I'd just return it for store credit now and pick up something better like Azurik: Rise of Perathia. You think the camera is bad in SMG2? WHOOOO boy are you in for a treat! Christmas = ruined for you. Sorry broseph.


How much ME2 did you play, anyway?

*sigh* I already know about the camera issues in EM. I can't comment until I play it. And no I don't think the camera in SMG is bad.

I watched a friend play it one afternoon, he handed it over to me when he had to take a shit or got a phone call. I liked it, I didn't get too in depth with it, but if I owned a 360, I would own it. Why are you grilling me on this game?

[Chardok]

You really are hopeless. Anyway - you'll see why EM is horrible when you play it. If it were me, I'd just return it for store credit now and pick up something better like Azurik: Rise of Perathia. You think the camera is bad in SMG2? WHOOOO boy are you in for a treat! Christmas = ruined for you. Sorry broseph.


How much ME2 did you play, anyway?

*sigh* I already know about the camera issues in EM. I can't comment until I play it. And no I don't think the camera in SMG is bad.

I watched a friend play it one afternoon, he handed it over to me when he had to take a shit or got a phone call. I liked it, I didn't get too in depth with it, but if I owned a 360, I would own it. Why are you grilling me on this game?

So...you...wouldnt' recommend a game based on 5 minutes of playing it...I have no idea why I'm even having this conversation with you. You've successfully reverse trolled me. Congratulations. You, sir, are brilliant.

[Stark]

The real question is why you're so butthurt about the games you play. Look at me; I was playing DBZ Raging Blast last night. Should I be defensive?

The Ratchet & Clank games are some of the only 3D platformers that I actually enjoy.

Zod, what are the cutscenes in Other M like?

[Chardok]

Incidentally, it turns out Metroid Other M is surprisingly decent so far. I'm not too far through it but it actually feels like a genuine Metroid game despite the terrible voice acting and unskippable cutscenes.

do you find the third-to-first person transition for missile shotzing to be off-putting or do you get used to it? I found it to be so unsettling (along with Samus being portrayed as an emotional crybaby) I couldn't keep playing it. Have you gotten to Ridley yet?

[General Zod]

The real question is why you're so butthurt about the games you play. Look at me; I was playing DBZ Raging Blast last night. Should I be defensive?

The Ratchet & Clank games are some of the only 3D platformers that I actually enjoy.

Zod, what are the cutscenes in Other M like?

They're kind of grainy but they only last about 30 seconds to a minute, aside from the intro. So it's not like you're getting Squenix level of snoozing. Then again I'm not very far through the game yet so I can't really say how frequent they are.

[Whiplash]

You really are hopeless. Anyway - you'll see why EM is horrible when you play it. If it were me, I'd just return it for store credit now and pick up something better like Azurik: Rise of Perathia. You think the camera is bad in SMG2? WHOOOO boy are you in for a treat! Christmas = ruined for you. Sorry broseph.


How much ME2 did you play, anyway?

*sigh* I already know about the camera issues in EM. I can't comment until I play it. And no I don't think the camera in SMG is bad.

I watched a friend play it one afternoon, he handed it over to me when he had to take a shit or got a phone call. I liked it, I didn't get too in depth with it, but if I owned a 360, I would own it. Why are you grilling me on this game?

So...you...wouldnt' recommend a game based on 5 minutes of playing it...I have no idea why I'm even having this conversation with you. You've successfully reverse trolled me. Congratulations. You, sir, are brilliant.

That's not what I fucking said you fucking retard. Were you fucking dropped on the head. I fucking said the following you fucking idiot

I wouldn't recommend ME2 for people that aren't into sci-fi or shooters

Based off the time I spent playing it, that statement still stands. If it makes you feel better I don't know anyone that likes games that doesn't enjoy sci-fi and shooters. What the fuck is wrong with you. You fucking dumbshit, learn to fucking read. Good thing Mass Effect isn't textbase, or you would probably misunderstand it.

Incidentally, it turns out Metroid Other M is surprisingly decent so far. I'm not too far through it but it actually feels like a genuine Metroid game despite the terrible voice acting and unskippable cutscenes.

do you find the third-to-first person transition for missile shotzing to be off-putting or do you get used to it? I found it to be so unsettling (along with Samus being portrayed as an emotional crybaby) I couldn't keep playing it. Have you gotten to Ridley yet?

Eeeee, I heard about that.