Super Mario Galaxy 2

[Vendetta]

There's much less spreadsheetery in ME2.

I think they actually did hit on a reasonably good balance wherein the player choices in weapons, powers, etc. actually produced noticable effects, whereas in ME1, although there were lots more numbers and stats and skill points to spend and shit you didn't actually notice the incremental improvements in your character as you levelled up. Unless you spent that point that unlocked that new ability, the point didn't really seem to make a difference.

[adam_grif]

You think the questlines are good? They're worse than WoW-level. Uh oh!

Are you critiquing the story or the structure of the quests? What exactly is ME2's writing shit when compared to? Tolstoy? I can think of maybe 2 or 3 games with writing that is as consistently good as ME2. The biggest issue is that most of the characters have Daddy issues, but despite taking place in a game where the main villains are kidnapping people with psychic paralysis inducing bug swarms and then putting them through a slushee machine to use as construction materials for giant spaceworthy cuttlefish with god complexes, it was still the best written and most memorable cast of characters to come out in the last 5 years.

Says who?

Me? Oh no, my opinions are worthless because they aren't yours.

Other people I know? Oh sorry they're worthless because they aren't you.

Most of the fucking internet? They're worthless because they're just some sort of mindless hivemind that is always wrong (because they disagree with you).

Reviewers? Oh no, they're worthless because reviews are worthless.

Bioware has written maybe three decent characters in ten years.

Says who?

Please continue telling me how ME2 is so great, though, it's funny. FANTASTIC CHARACTERS AMAZING MECHANICS

Why bother? Everybody here who has already played it knows you're full of shit when you're bashing the game to this degree. I know you hate it because you feel like it stole Alpha Protocol's lunch money or some shit. Even taking the time to respond to you is a total waste, on any other forum all you'd have gotten is a smug dismissal and "hater's gonna hate" Macro.

[General Zod]

it was still the best written and most memorable cast of characters to come out in the last 5 years.

Yakuza 3 kindly invites you to get fucked.

[Stark]

Are you critiquing the story or the structure of the quests? What exactly is ME2's writing shit when compared to? Tolstoy? I can think of maybe 2 or 3 games with writing that is as consistently good as ME2. The biggest issue is that most of the characters have Daddy issues, but despite taking place in a game where the main villains are kidnapping people with psychic paralysis inducing bug swarms and then putting them through a slushee machine to use as construction materials for giant spaceworthy cuttlefish with god complexes, it was still the best written and most memorable cast of characters to come out in the last 5 years.

Are you seriously saying ME2's writing is comparable to that of classic literature, or that it doesn't matter if the premise and subplots suck if... you say so? You just declared it the best writing in a game for five years, by fiat, and have the gall to call others arbitrary? When the overall plot sucks, half the characters at least are written by infants, and there are piles of terrible quests, you can't just handwave and say STARK IS MEEN THEREFORE ME2 STORY BEST!

Me? Oh no, my opinions are worthless because they aren't yours.

Other people I know? Oh sorry they're worthless because they aren't you.

Most of the fucking internet? They're worthless because they're just some sort of mindless hivemind that is always wrong (because they disagree with you).

Reviewers? Oh no, they're worthless because reviews are worthless.

So, no evidence then? Shut the fuck up.

It's actually pretty sad that you're such a cumguzzler that you're seriously strawmanning so hard. Doesn't it strike you as funny that everyone in this thread can talk about games without whining like a bitch... except you?

Says who?

Tolstoy?

Why bother? Everybody here who has already played it knows you're full of shit when you're bashing the game to this degree. I know you hate it because you feel like it stole Alpha Protocol's lunch money or some shit. Even taking the time to respond to you is a total waste, on any other forum all you'd have gotten is a smug dismissal and "hater's gonna hate" Macro.

You're right, everyone likes ME2 and knows that highlighting any criticsm is 'bashing'.

Oh, except the people who are well aware of the game's flaws and are discussing them in this very thread! Needs moar pop psychology and you highlighting your own stupidity!

Go back to fantasyland, dickhead.

[SAMAS]

The biggest problem with the writing was the almost complete lack of moral ambiguity in ME. Almost everyone was neatly broken up into "good guy" or "bad guy".

That's less of a flaw and more a matter of it not matching your tastes. Some people like clear-cut heroes and villains, others don't mind it. You, apparently, don't like it.

[General Zod]

The biggest problem with the writing was the almost complete lack of moral ambiguity in ME. Almost everyone was neatly broken up into "good guy" or "bad guy".

That's less of a flaw and more a matter of it not matching your tastes. Some people like clear-cut heroes and villains, others don't mind it. You, apparently, don't like it.

I don't mind it when people aren't pretending that it's supposed to be deep or top quality.

[Chardok]

To the spreadsheet point, I heard an interesting take on what ME3 might involve. Assuming the reaper attack on earth takes place during the last 1/3rd of the game, and assuming this game uses a similar mechanic to 2 RE: story (Which it almost certainly will) Peep this: All big decisions from ME1-3=%damage reduction on earth. Save the Rachni? -10% damage to earth (Since they are almost certainly going to "Come to the rescue") Get rid of the genophage and not kill Wrex? -15% damage to earth Sacrifice the council? -10% damage to earth.


Just a theory but given how Bioware initially fooled at least me with ME2's Endgame (i.e. appearing to have loads of variables when it was actually depressingly binary) I wouldn't put it past them, which makes me a sad panda.