SGU Wraps Filming on Season 2

[JME2]

Even that was somewhat nullified by the whole "If you give the core a schematic "close enough" the core can figure out the gaps and make something virtually" that we saw in Ark of Deux Ex Machina and the creation of the Replicators.

Well we can just say that the Replicators blew up that system when they tried to eat the Odyssey

Works for me.

[Stargate Nerd]

rather than nerfing the 304s they should instead have the Lucian Alliance use a bee swarm tactic of massive numbers of Al'kesh and Death Gliders, dropped of by Hatak motherships, trying to engage and overwhelm the shields of the Earth vessels. the Asgard beams would then be ineffectual without losing their power.

[CaptJodan]

rather than nerfing the 304s they should instead have the Lucian Alliance use a bee swarm tactic of massive numbers of Al'kesh and Death Gliders, dropped of by Hatak motherships, trying to engage and overwhelm the shields of the Earth vessels. the Asgard beams would then be ineffectual without losing their power.

IF its around Earth and IF Atlantis is still there, that might not work.

On the other hand, the LA using the stealth approach with WMDs would probably work well. That's the kind of attack that I'm hoping the LA is planning against Earth, to be frank. Some kind of smart attack that bypasses Earth's defenses so we don't have to necessarily see them in action. It'd be a real threat, a threat where intelligence would be more important than how many kick ass starships and drones you'd have available to repel the attack, and thus would fit into Universe well.

Though, yes, if they decided they just have to have a space battle, those tactics would be better than just saying "Zmog, the Asgard shields and beams are useless now because of Ancienty!" I'm just not sure how that's supposed to nullify Atlantis' drones. Though to be fair, Atlantis' attack was substantially underwhelming compared to the Ancient Outpost, which I can't really understand. I guess outposts are more war oriented or more advanced.

[Stargate Nerd]

IF its around Earth and IF Atlantis is still there, that might not work.

On the other hand, the LA using the stealth approach with WMDs would probably work well. That's the kind of attack that I'm hoping the LA is planning against Earth, to be frank. Some kind of smart attack that bypasses Earth's defenses so we don't have to necessarily see them in action. It'd be a real threat, a threat where intelligence would be more important than how many kick ass starships and drones you'd have available to repel the attack, and thus would fit into Universe well.

Though, yes, if they decided they just have to have a space battle, those tactics would be better than just saying "Zmog, the Asgard shields and beams are useless now because of Ancienty!" I'm just not sure how that's supposed to nullify Atlantis' drones. Though to be fair, Atlantis' attack was substantially underwhelming compared to the Ancient Outpost, which I can't really understand. I guess outposts are more war oriented or more advanced.

I agree that these tactics would be futile against Atlantis itself, but even 20 Alkesh could do a lot of damage on Earth if they have shields like the one in Continuum. (I admit the one piloted by Tanith or the one shot down when Baal's clone came to Earth didn't have them). Because short of nuking them no Earth weapon could penetrate those shields except Asgard beams which will have a hard time hitting them and Drones which are a)finite and b)would potentially have to hit targets on the other side of Earth.

But I guess it's all moot now with SGU canceled.

[Themightytom]

I still think there can be an easy technobabbly explanation. The plasma weapons rely on some sophisticated shield bypass, that can be countered. The same way the Goa'uld were lunch meat to the Asgard until Anubis found better shields.

[Lonestar]

I still think there can be an easy technobabbly explanation. The plasma weapons rely on some sophisticated shield bypass, that can be countered. The same way the Goa'uld were lunch meat to the Asgard until Anubis found better shields.

Alternatively, and this is the one I favor, the Asgard weapons installed on the later 304s are not as powerful as the ones installed on the Odyssey. In my eyes the Asgard installed the entire system, and despite the computer core installed I'm having a hard time seeing the Tauri simply stamping out exact copies somewhere, the entire industrial base of Earth probably doesn't have the material science needed for it. So what we get is something more powerful than the "Yellow weapons" of the Gao'uld and Destiny, but perhaps not as powerful as what the Asgard installed on O'Neill class ships.

If they were it would explain the inability of the Apollo and Sun Tzu to destroy/significantly the Wraith super-hive vessel.

FWIW I think basing the whole of Earth's defenses on 304s, Atlantis+ Ancient Outpost(I'd bet that Mckay would figure out a way to slave it to the Atlantis command chair) is dumbass. There should have been orbiting defense satellites shooting up the Wraith super-hive the moment it arrived, the network now being practical that we're beyond SSTO technology.

On then other hand the Antarctic Chair was moved because it was in violation of a nonproliferation treaty with regards to Antarctic, so I'm sure that defense satellites would be construed as some kind of violation of the Outer Space Treaty, with 304s(those used by member nations, that is) some kind of exemption.

Whatever. I still think it's retarded that the USAF has the lead on the "Space Navy".

[GuppyShark]

I still think it's retarded that the USAF has the lead on the "Space Navy".

One of my favorite lines from GURPS Transhuman Space...

"In 2022, the USAF secured a hard-fought victory over its most dangerous opponent and achieved control of deep space. The battlefield was Washington; the enemy was the United States Navy and its powerful congressional lobby."

I find the notion that they try to use the 'aircraft' model for spacecraft and not the 'naval'/'spaceship' model (like every other franchise) in Stargate refreshing. I understand your position though.

[Lonestar]

One of my favorite lines from GURPS Transhuman Space...

"In 2022, the USAF secured a hard-fought victory over its most dangerous opponent and achieved control of deep space. The battlefield was Washington; the enemy was the United States Navy and its powerful congressional lobby."

I find the notion that they try to use the 'aircraft' model for spacecraft and not the 'naval'/'spaceship' model (like every other franchise) in Stargate refreshing. I understand your position though.

It's still silly. Why on earth would you have O3s and O4s conning the ships instead of adopting the USN model of having an E5 and below conning it? Me and Shep actually had a discussion about a prospective SG FanFic where the USN and USA are allowed to run a ship each, and they undercut USAF operating costs by not assigning everything to an officer.

[Stargate Nerd]

So what we get is something more powerful than the "Yellow weapons" of the Gao'uld and Destiny, but perhaps not as powerful as what the Asgard installed on O'Neill class ships.

If they were it would explain the inability of the Apollo and Sun Tzu to destroy/significantly the Wraith super-hive vessel.

The problem with that of course is that the retrofitted Daedalus and Apollo curb-stomped a great many Aurora Class battleships. You'd effectively retcon "Be All My Sins Remember'd"

In any case, I would think that the weapons on Daedalus and Apollo are weaker than seen in Unending anyway, simply because Odyssey had a ZPM on board.

[Lonestar]

The problem with that of course is that the retrofitted Daedalus and Apollo curb-stomped a great many Aurora Class battleships. You'd effectively retcon "Be All My Sins Remember'd"

In any case, I would think that the weapons on Daedalus and Apollo are weaker than seen in Unending anyway, simply because Odyssey had a ZPM on board.

I have a rationalization for that too(rather, a better one than the original proposal). The Apollo and Daedalus have Asgard beam weapons a close approximation of what was on the O'Neil class, and of course the Asgard vessel that battled against the Ori invasion force didn't do shit against them, implying that iteration of the beam weapon wasn't as powerful as what was installed on the Odyssey. We also know that O'Neill class warships compare favorably to Goauld ships juiced up by Anubis with Ancient tech, so there you go!


(yeah yeah I didn't think it was that good of a rationalization either).


Alternatively the Aurora class vessels are really not that impressive, the Asuran Fleet was pinned in by 7 Hive ships, 2 304s, and a collection of Space Gypsy Roma Traveller vessels. Before that the 304s were only successful against Asuran battleships because they operated in a pair and used the SPACE! GCCS links provided by the dissident Replicators to track and intercept them one at a time.