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Did the early Middle Ages really exist?
This question in itself – and more so the answer ‘NO, the early Middle Ages did not exist’ – is
surprising, to say the least. It contradicts all basic knowledge and attacks the historian’s selfrespect to such an extreme that the reader of this paper is asked to be patient, benevolent and
open to radically new ideas. I shall argue step by step – and, I hope, you will follow. With a
group of friends (Müller 1992; Illig 1991; Niemitz 1991; Zeller 1991; Marx 1993; Topper
1994) I have been doing research on this subject since 1990. This is the reason for using ‘we’
or ‘I’ intermittently.
The thesis mainly says, with far-reaching implications and consequences:
Between Antiquity (1 AD) and the Renaissance (1500 AD) historians count
approximately 300 years too many in their chronology. In other words: the Roman
emperor Augustus really lived 1700 years ago instead of the conventionally assumed
2000 years.
However, the whole well-known historiography of the Middle Ages contradicts this assertion!
The easiest way to understand doubts about the accepted chronology and ‘well-known’ history
is to seriously systematize the problems of medieval research. This will lead us to detect a
pattern which proves my thesis and gives reason to assume that a phantom period of
approximately 300 years has been inserted between 600 AD to 900 AD, either by accident, by
misinterpretation of documents or by deliberate falsification (Illig 1991). This period and all
events that are supposed to have happened therein never existed. Buildings and artifacts
ascribed to this period really belong to other periods. To prove this the Carolingian Chapel at
Aachen will serve as the first example.
Art historians explain and describe artifacts and buildings of this period as anachronistic – but
they never follow up on their assessments. One of the best examples, intensively surveyed, is
the Chapel of Aachen (ca. 800 AD), which seems to come approximately 200 years too early.
The way of constructing an arch shown in this chapel has no predecessor (Adam 1968,7).
Arched aisles are usual only in the 11th century in Speyer. The construction of choirs with
rising arch and also rising barrel vaulting is not resumed until 200 years later at the portal of
Tournus (Hubert 1969,67). The vertical steepness of the interior arches of the Aachen Chapel
is more accentuated than those of churches built two centuries later. One of these is the 1049
AD consecrated Abbey-church of Ottmarsheim. Although missing some details of the early
model, nevertheless it is the “best copy” of Aachen. However, these and many other
arguments implicate that the Chapel of Aachen has to be regarded as a building of the second
part of the 11th century.– 2 –
Another ‘big’ research-problem is the AD way of counting years. How could 300 phantom
years have crept into the accepted chronology and why didn’t anyone notice it? For
approximately 2000 years people have been counting years correctly, haven’t they?
In 1582 Pope Gregory XIII started the so-called ‘Gregorian calendar’, which is basically a
corrected version of the old Julian calendar of Julius Caesar. The Julian calendar, after being
used for a long time, no longer corresponded with the astronomical situation. The difference,
according to calculations by Pope Gregory, amounted to 10 days. Now please calculate: how
many Julian years does it take to produce an error of 10 days? The answer is 1257 years. The
question – at which date was the Julian calendar correct – can be calculated with the following
amazing result (Illig 1991):
1582 – 1257 = 325
(The year in which the “Gregorian” calendar began minus the years necessary to produce 10 days of error in the Julian calendar equals the
beginning the Julian calendar.)
It seems, unbelievably, that Caesar introduced his calendar in 325 AD. This is unbelievable
because by then he had already been dead for more than 300 years. If 16 centuries had passed
since Caesar’s introduction of his calendar, the Julian calendar in Gregory’s time would have
been out of sync with the astronomical situation by 13 days, not 10.
Some historians have noticed this contradiction, but they solve it this way: the scholars in
Caesar’s time reckoned a different date for the equinox (the day in spring, where day and
night have the same length). Yet it can be proved that the Romans used the same date for the
equinox as we do today, i.e. the 21st of March (Illig 1991 and 1993).
If our thesis of 300 phantom years is right, then the thesis must also be valid for the whole of
Eurasian-African history for the period between 600 AD and 900 AD. In this time period
Byzantium and the new Islamic realms were supposedly fighting each other in the Near East
and the Mediterranean.
Let us look at Byzantium first. Historians acknowledge a special problem for exactly this
period: when did the Empire reform its administration? When and how did this reform –
called by modern historians ‘reform of the themes’ – come into being? How did feudalism
develop? One group of historians pointed out that the essentials for this reform were outlined
in Antiquity and that for the 300 years following 600 AD nothing happened. Thus nothing can
be said about this period, because no historical sources exist for the supposed reform in this
period.
Another group interpolates between the years 600 AD and 900 AD a very slow evolution of
Byzantine society. This evolution was so slow, they say, that the actors themselves hardly
noticed it and thus this evolution didn’t produce any written document (no archaeological
remains, either, by the way!). The discussion of both groups is termed the ‘debate of
continuity’. The gap has to be filled by speculation. Therefore both groups accuse each other
of misinterpreting historical sources in an anachronistic manner (Karayannopulos 1959,15;
Niemitz 1994).
Uwe Topper and Manfred Zeller pointed out how to resolve some important riddles and
research problems of the Islamic and Persian-Arab-Byzantine world using the thesis of the
phantom years. Firdowsis’ well-known epic, the Shahname, written around 1010 AD, ends
with the last Persian king Yazdegird III, who died 651 AD. The epic tells nothing about the– 3 –
Islamic conquest of Persia and has no allusions to Islam at all. It simply skips 300 years of
Islamic influence as if they had never existed (Topper 1994).
Moreover, the Parsees – the Zarathustra worshipers – in India have been debating their own
chronology furiously since messengers from Iran in the 18th century told them that they made
a mistake in counting the years since their flight from the homeland [this claim/evidence,
however, has been withdrawn in (Topper 1999)]. Even modern encyclopedias vary in their
assertions between the 7th and 10th century for the event (Topper 1994).
A thorough examination of the architecture of the Omayyades – they were the famous first
Arabic dynasty from 661 AD until 750 AD – detects untypical characteristics for an Islamic
dynasty. These unusual characteristics are especially visible in their palaces. We see a
painting (approximately 725 AD) on a wall (in spite of the Islamic prohibition against
portraying human figures!) showing the Persian king Khosrow II, paying homage to the
Omayyade sovereign. But by then this Persian king had been dead for approximately 100
years.
The introduction of Arabic coins organized by the caliph Abd al Malik in 695 AD reveals
some remarkable contradictions. The Arabic coins bear the portrait of the Persian king
Khosrow II who died long time before (Zeller 1993). Manfred Zeller draws the following
conclusion from this and other facts: We have to eliminate two phantom times; the first of
approximately 78 years (from 583 AD until 661 AD) and a second one of approximately 218
years (from 750 until 968). The first phantom time came into being through artificial
separation of the Persian and Omayyade history which in reality was contemporaneous. Thus
Zeller explains the contradictions of the un-Islamic style and the late appearance of Khosrow
II in the Omayyade history. The second phantom time is a time-stretching repetition of the
Persian history from 528 AD until 661 – now in Islamic style and dated from 750 until 968.
Harun al-Rashid is an invention, as is the whole history of his dynasty (Müller 1992).
Probably Islam did not spread until 10 centuries ago.
While this way some riddles and research problem can be solved, others will follow. For
instance the miraculous origin of Islam. It is generally known that historians are astonished by
this ‘miracle’; we can read this in the introduction of Fischer Weltgeschichte, Volume I, Der
Islam I: “Birth and success of Islam seem to be a miracle.” (Cahen 1968,7). A miracle
(“Wunder”) like that is needed for an explanation – this is known to all scientists. Gunter
Lüling has suggested a new scenario (Lüling 1974 and 1981).
The history of the Jews shows centuries of darkness and discontinuity that support the thesis
of the phantom time. One of the important modern works on Jewish history bears the
descriptive title “The Dark Ages. Jews in Christian Europe 711-1096”. Here are two
quotations: “It seemed, that they (the Jews) totally disappeared together with the breakdown of
the Roman Empire. However, we don’t find any evidence of their presence until the
Carolingian period.” (Roth 1966,162). For the Carolingian period historians find only written
sources, whereas material sources like buildings and artifacts exist just for the time after 1000
AD (Jewish quarter in Regensburg between 1006 and 1028 AD, in Cologne between 1056 and
1075 AD, in Worms around 1080 AD, in Speyer around 1084 AD etc.). And for the regions
outside Germany we are told: “Of course we know from inscriptions and other sources about
Jewish societies and single persons in nearly all provinces of the Roman Empire, and we can
reasonably suppose – with or without proof – that there is in fact no district without Jews.– 4 –
Nevertheless there doesn’t exist any evidence and only little probability that a substantial
number of Jews lived anywhere in the western world at this time.” (Roth 1966,4; Illig 1991).
Fig. 1: The center of the graph shows the time axis of conventionally dated historical events.
Upper and lower coordinates show reconstructed time tables. The black triangles mark the
phantom years.
How can we find support in archaeological research for our phantom time? In 1986 a
conference of archaeologists specializing in medieval towns took place under the heading:
“The rebirth of towns in the west, AD 700–1050”. The participants discussed a puzzling
problem: does continuity in the evolution of the town – postulated by historians – exist or not?
The archaeologists could prove that the stratigraphies of towns – adapted to ‘normal’
chronology – inevitably involve gaps. Where was continuity? Generally it is enigmatic to
archaeologists if towns in the early Middle Ages had had an economic sense or function.
Historians and archaeologists must maintain that no civil town building existed in this period
and that only church buildings survived from that time. To justify this they must assert that at
that time towns were not central marketplaces (Hodges 1982,49; Niemitz 1992).
The few existing stratigraphies of German towns give evidence of the phantom time. In
Frankfurt am Main archaeological excavations did not find any layer for the period between
650 and 910 AD. Nevertheless it has been assumed that something had been found in order to
avoid empty centuries, which is unconceivable. Thus the absent period was construed by
layers – composed of waste and ceramic fragments from other locations – which were spread
to fill in the gap and support known chronology (Stamm 1962; Niemitz 1993).– 5 –
Archaeological research in ceramics encounters big problems for the projected phantom time.
Two quotations: “The evolution of half a century is unclear” writes Peter Vychitil in his 1991
publication about ceramics of the 8th to 13th centuries from settlements of the Main-triangle.
Thirty years earlier Werner Haarnagel had some troubles with the slow-moving evolution of
vessel forms in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries at the North Sea coast; it is impossible to find an
order in these ceramic vessels. Even to construct a relative chronology still seems to be
impossible. Therefore the ceramic experts try to solve their problems with mathematical and
statistical methods (Vychitil 1991,21; Niemitz 1994).
In the same manner as archaeologists, the researcher of ceramics commits a major mistake – a
mistake that Günter P. Fehring warned of: “Independent of the existence of written sources for
that period, the medieval archaeologist should try to date his finds with archaeological means.
It is not permitted to act in a different way than an archaeologist of ancient history.” (Fehring
1992,48). Thus archaeologists are not permitted to rely on written sources, especially when
the archaeological results and the evidence contradict them – even if generations of historians
have worked on those written sources! For instance the framework of the ceramics chronology
has been elaborated for one hundred years; the researcher correlated each surprising find in
accordance with known history, although more than 100 years ago in the science of Antiquity
(Altertumskunde) we can find amazing words that must have been a warning. For example,
the following quotation (1880) deals with the end of the Merovingian period: “But we do miss
a reliable milestone of this kind like the one provided by the burial hoard of Doornick
(Childerich I). The boundary leads into uncertainty, sometimes until the 9th and even 11th
centuries.” (Lindenschmit 1880,75).
This shows that each specialist refers to the neighboring discipline to solve his problems of
dating – a typical case of circular reasoning. Nobody looks over the whole situation and
therefore nobody is astonished that the same structural problems occur in different disciplines.
The most common objection to this idea says that methods of scientific dating are infallible
and beyond the danger of circular reasoning. Of these methods the best known are RC14 and
dendrochronology. As RC14 is now calibrated by and therefore dependent on
dendrochronology it is insignificant for the medieval period. Horst Willkom (1988) says: “We
use the C14-method only to correlate a sample of carbon with a certain tree ring. This method
– at least for the post-glacial period – has become a relative method.” (Willkomm 1988,176).
Dendrochronology works, because each time period creates typical sequences of tree rings.
With the help of overlapping sequences of different trees it is possible to construct a standard
sequence that reaches back centuries for a given region. In this standard sequence you can find
for any suitable wood the corresponding age of growth of this tree. This seems to be a very
simple theory; you have to count the tree rings if you want to find the exact year, that’s all.
But as each individual wood differs from the other and also differs from the standard
sequence, dendrochronologists must work with a tremendous mathematical apparatus:
“Transformation of the ring-width into logarithmic differences, preferential treatment of the
correlating arithmetic, theoretical derivation of congruent patterns, distance regression of
similarity, regional analysis, test function with scope of dating, statistics of sapwood and lost
tree rings, distribution of centered differences between dating of art styles and
dendrochronological dating.” (Hollstein 1980,11; Illig 1993).– 6 –
Using this method one easily commits errors. The following demonstrates this: researchers
erroneously construed the interval between 2000 BC and 500 AD by synchronizing North and
Central European oak wood. In one of the synchronizations the error amounted to 71 years.
Not only these 71 years are alarming but also the error by itself. Methodically the error was
duly kept at 71 years because otherwise the wood – dated before with other methods – would
not fit historically. But how was it possible to locate those 71 years in the standard sequence?
Are the mathematical methods so flexible? Distrust is necessary even more so because the
author of that publication emphasizes that in this case of dating some unfavorable
circumstances accumulated and such might happen in every (sic!) laboratory (Schmidt 1984,
233).
There is another argument against applying dendrochronology to the Middle Ages. The
number of suitable samples of wood, which connect Antiquity and the Middle Ages is very
small. But only a great number of samples would give certainty against error. For the period
about 380 AD we have only 3, for the period about 720 AD only 4 suitable samples of wood
(Hollstein 1980,11); usually 50 samples serve for dating.
Fig 2: Number of samples in time (Central European oak chronology).
Another argument against dendrochronology consists of its own history: In 1970 Ernst
Hollstein – one of the famous and most active dendrochronologists in Germany – proclaimed
after eight years of research a great success: he had solved the problem of bridging the early
Middle Ages. Now he could date all samples back to Roman time ‘absolutely and exactly’.
But he paid a high price – too high as we know today. He did in fact change his method;
instead of using oak for his oak-chronology he used copper beech wood (= Rotbuchenholz) to
fill the gap. But ten years later in 1980 it was no longer necessary to use beechwood for the
oak-chronology, he fortunately had found fitting oak wood – but dates he had defined in 1970
were irrevocable! This is unusual in science, and he did it only reluctantly as we can see from
the following quotation, where he describes his method: “The method is unbiased and
basically not graphic, because it combines many calculation operations, and you have to do– 7 –
the more operations, the more the problem of dating is distant from today and from
comparable historically secured dates. At border-line when totally leaving known history –
e.g. analyzing two completely unknown samples of trees which grew supposedly at the same
time – the a priori probability of finding the right date can become so small that only a little
chance remains of finding it. For trees of the post-glacial the probability is approximately one
in 10000. These hints show clearly the biggest difficulty of the dendrochronological method.”
(Hollstein 1970,147).
“All attempts to get enough tree ring sequences from timber of the Carolingian times have
failed …” – “It is strange, but it proved as extremely difficult to connect the Merovingian
wood samples from excavations with the above mentioned chronologies.” “Encouraged by an
unusually deceptive correlation – as happens from time to time in all fields of knowledge – I
believed that I could date the chamber burial of Hufingen at the beginning of the 8th century.”
– “After two years of intensive studies I can name at last the right dates and put in order all
samples of the early Middle Ages.” (Hollstein 1970,148).
“The misdating of coffins from Hüfingen and Oberflacht, which had been calculated very
carefully in accordance with the then valid rules (sic!), suddenly proved that the statistical
methods must be tightened up the more the event is distant from the starting point. That has
been neglected hitherto – but is now corrected. Now we don’t choose arbitrarily a so-called
error-probability at the outset, as has been usual. Now we choose the probability of the correct
approach as a function of the observations and available hypotheses. The quality of this test
method is, if circumstances permit it, one hundred times better and also more certain than the
old one.” (Hollstein 1970,148f).
Here we can observe the way Hollstein changes the method, which reveals even more, i.e. the
expectations of waiting colleagues; and those expectations weren’t purely academic as he had
to beg for money for his research. “As I have been asked time and again to publish my new
dates, I feel obliged to give them in a preliminary way and without proof, be it in contradiction
with scientific tradition. … From this chronologically arranged summary, one cannot deduce
after how many futile tests the right correlation has been found. And it still remains a process
of searching, which is not altered by the fact that we use computers.” (Hollstein 1970,149).
Hollstein reports about bridging the critical period of the 8th century; there simply exist no
samples of wood. “In this moment Dr. R. Gensen discovered on the Christenberg near
Marburg/Lahn a well from Carolingian times, whose heavy squared timbers provided a
sequence of 339 years. Although this is wood of red-beech, a type of wood with occasional
tendency to missing rings, still this Marburg sequence coincides in the decisive period of the
7th, 8th and 9th centuries … with the other sequences … So early medieval wood samples
cannot be regarded as firmly dated.” (Hollstein 1970,150f). In brief, Hollstein says that he –
being in trouble – took a piece of wood predated by historians to fill his gap (see Fehring
above). This cannot be called archaeological evidence.
A good scientist in trouble usually sends out signals for help – sometimes unconsciously – and
so does Hollstein. After listing his tree ring dates secured by what he terms the ‘oldest
historically documented year-by-year dates’ he says: “It is good to know that the West
German oak chronology for nearly one thousand years is exactly under control – year by year.
Going back to earlier millenia, the missing documentary frame has to be substituted by an
essentially tightened correlation.” (Hollstein 1970,152). We could express this statement thus:– 8 –
It is very difficult to point out the years before 1000 AD because we do not have any dates
supported by written documents.
Why not quote more recent test results (after 1980)? A Hamburg dendrochronologist
responded to my request for recent literature in December, 1994: today sequences and dates
are no longer published because there exists the danger of abuse. Hobby-dendrochronologists
earned money by dating for example timbers of houses for private clients with unreliable
methods. So laboratories in Europe and worldwide exchange their dates without publishing
them (Niemitz 1995 – in preparation).
After a cursory glance over the riddles and research problems two great questions remain:
“How was it possible to insert this phantom time into history?” – or asked in a provocative
manner – “Who (and when and how and why) falsified history by adding 300 years?” And the
second question: How can it be possible to discuss the thesis of the phantom time in the
scientific community without being discriminated against as some ‘Von Däniken of the
Middle Ages’. Both questions are more closely connected than you might assume at first
thought.
One could try to find the answer to the first question in postulating a theory of conspiracy (the
Freemasons, the Catholic Church or one of the Catholic monk orders such as the Benedictines
or the Jesuits – or any other secret association). But this – I suppose – will deter scientists.
And this answer is not only far too simple, it is essentially wrong.
The second question – the question of the scientific community – could be put this way: why
did the ‘stupid’ scientist and researcher not notice this gap before? Why did some outsider
have to come and ask this question and start finding the solution? The second question
implicitly triggers the threat of changing of the paradigms, which implies a threat to
confidence in the work of all scientists working in historical research. Thomas S. Kuhn
discusses this situation regarding science in his book “The Structure of Scientific
Revolutions”. But in our case something new appears: For the historical period and especially
the Middle Ages no paradigms have ever been challenged. This may sound pathetic or
megalomaniacal; and accusations of this kind will come from specialists, who have to reckon
with enormous shiftings and new structures in their field. But nevertheless this question can
only find an answer through discussions within academic circles if it is to be answered at all.
Let us go through some of the questions in detail. First question: Why do we suppose that
three centuries have been faked in medieval history? Our discovery began when we
accidentally learned about the problem of faked documents in the Middle Ages. Incidentally
the German “Monumenta Germaniae Historica” had just published the papers of its
conference “Fälschungen im Mittelalter” (München, September 16th to 19th, 1986) (Niemitz
1991).
Thus it was easy to study the last results of this particular research. You can find medieval
falsifications in every kind of documents. The medievalist is confronted with a “dangerous
and confusing host” (Fuhrmann 1988,5) of false documents and this was the reason for
organizing the conference. The Bavarian state secretary of education and culture, Hans Maier,
summarized the problem – and nobody came to contradict him: “‘Falsifications in the Middle
Ages’ – are really no minor subject for medievalists. In this conference we treat the central
problem of historical-scientific research, the ‘discrimen veri ac falsi’, i.e. the question for– 9 –
authenticity of the documents and even more – the concept of truth in an important period of
history of mankind.” (Maier 1988,63).
The important question of the medievalist is: How was history made? Because he knows how
false history can be made. We were really impressed by one of the lectures – a lecture about
the great number of fakes and suspicious documents. It was at the end of the conference when
Horst Fuhrmann, president of the Monumenta Germaniae Historica, emphasized a special
peculiarity of some of the important faked documents. He demonstrated that the important
fakes of the Roman Catholic Church have an anticipating character (Fuhrmann 1988,89).
These documents had to wait their great moment to come. “Centuries after being produced
these fakes were integrated into the framework of the clerical and laical world .” (Fuhrmann
1988,90). Fuhrmann’s opinion was that in the first place the environment (“Umfeld”) must
exist before a fake can be effective.
“It is naive positivism to argue, that fakes like the ones represented here could have changed
the world. An assertion like this confuses cause and effect: rather a correspondingly changed
world had accepted the fakes. Or in other words: The evolving Papal centralism didn’t need
the fakes; but the fakes needed the evolution of Papal centralism in order to become
successful.” (Fuhrmann 1988,91).
But why then did the church falsify documents, when they were unnecessary? Yet this was not
what aroused our astonishment although this statement, even born from need to solve a riddle,
is a ridiculous explanation. We were shown fakes from preceding centuries. We divined
chronological distortions. Therefore we inspected the calendar calculation mentioned above
with the result of a time error amounting to three centuries.
Then we looked for ‘gaps’ in special reports and publications, also for periods of stagnation or
strange events repeated in similar manner after approximately 300 years. I only refer to some
of a great number of puzzles: a gap in the history of building in Constantinople (558 AD –
908 AD); a gap in the doctrine of faith, especially the gap in the evolution of theory and
meaning of purgatory (600 AD until ca. 1100, Le Goff 1990); a 300-year-long reluctant
introduction of farming techniques (three-acre-system, horse with cummet) and of war
techniques (stirrup) (White 1968, 66); a gap in the mosaic art (565 AD – 1018 AD); a
repeated beginning of the German orthography etc. etc. (Illig 1991; Niemitz 1991; Zeller
1991). The puzzles of historiography led the way, pointing out again and again the ‘gap’
which we soon termed ‘phantom time’.
But who could have had an interest in faking so many documents? And why did the ‘fakers’
need a phantom time of 300 years? We developed two hypothesis which basically don’t
contradict.
Hypothesis One: Otto III didn’t live accidentally around the year 1000 AD; he himself had
defined this date! He wanted to reign in this year, because this suited his understanding of
Christian milleniarism. He defined this date with the help of his famous and well-versed
friend Gerbert de Aurillac, later Pope Sylvester II. In reality they lived approximately seven
hundred years after the birth of Jesus Christ, but never until then had the years been reckoned
‘after Christ’. Perhaps unaware of their error and without intending to falsify they defined one
special year as ‘1000 AD’ (Illig 1991). Consequently chroniclers had to invent 300 years of
history. To fill up empty periods – what a great occasion for dynasties and kings! You can
design the planned future as a construct of the past, and this apparently happened: Otto III– 10 –
construed Charlemagne as the model hero he himself wanted to be. Supposedly he sketched
Charlemagne’s history only a bit, or it wasn’t even him but the generations after him who
lined out a whole full life picture. Especially the clergy hoped to get advantage in its
confrontation with the emperor, which had started in the 11th century.
Hypothesis Two: Constantine VII of Byzantium (905 – 959 AD) organized a complete
rewriting of the whole Byzantine history. The famous German Byzantinist Peter Schreiner has
demonstrated how official historiography interprets this process: beginning in the year 835
AD monks rewrote piece by piece all texts which had been written in Greek maiuscula, in the
new form of writing hence called minuscula. Schreiner postulates that each text was produced
only once. Then the originals were destroyed (Schreiner 1991,13). This means that all existing
texts of the then leading culture nation had been changed or rewritten completely in new script
in the lifetime of two generations, or even faster, and have been well invented, we suppose
(Illig 1992).
It is not important to explain the motivation of the emperor Constantine VII. I only want to
demonstrate, that an action of rewriting and faking like this has happened. If it could happen
in Byzantium, it might have happened at any other place, too. Moreover Theophanu, mother
of Otto III, came from Byzantium and was a niece of the emperor Tzismiskes (emperor from
969 AD until 976 AD), a descendant of the same dynasty as Constantine VII. As to the
question of who faked and why, there could be many speculations. Its seems that in this
question surprises are ahead which could create trouble for many academic institutions as well
as other social groups.
Second Question: How is it possible to do research work of this kind inside the scientific
community? Is it perhaps necessary to research outside the scientific community, because it
would demand a big change of paradigms, which means the end of certainty with regard to
chronology. Usually a program of research relies on given research problems, which the
general public defines. What will happen when the new research program in regard with its
thesis or approach is too far from general public interest or too far from the academic society?
(Who shall give financial support?) Then we don’t have the capability of joining ‘normal
science’. I am aware of standing on the shoulders of our predecessors and that we work using
their results, I can only emphasize again and again my respect for archaeologists and other
scientists who are able to uncover artifacts and construct theories on them.
I would like to repeat that our method consists in questioning specific research problems of
archaeology and historiography. I must emphasize that the thesis of the phantom years is one
proposal for solving those problems. It works surprisingly well and yields amazing results. It
seems that scientists today do not see the common pattern in all the problems, which
repeatedly appear, because there exists an unexpressed and unconscious prohibition against
questioning the chronology as if it were unimpeachable. My request therefore is: where and
how could our research work possibly join? What could we do together? Until today our
research work was done marginally, but from now on it enters an important stage. The project
has become so big that it cannot be worked out by a few people with small resources. Support
from official institutions has become necessary so that we can continue our work at the edge
of specialty (“im Rand des Faches”) as suggests Krohn and Küppers; papers in their book
“The self-organization of science(-society)”: “It is only through activities in the margin of
scientific institutions that outsiders can amplify the disturbances, so that instabilities will
appear, which in the end will restructure existing research.” (Krohn, Küppers 1989,95).– 11 –
If some colleagues accuse us of unrealistic or even fantastic behavior, I wish to express that it
could not be a mortal sin in the business of science to question paradigms and slaughter holy
cows. In case we are forced to turn to the general public in order to raise funds, this strategy
will do as well. But: “One of the strongest but unwritten rules of scientific life is the
interdiction against appealing to statesmen or to the general public in matters of science”
(Kuhn 1970). Kuhn supposes: “As the unity of the scientific performance is a solved problem
and as the group knows well which problems are already solved, only few scientists would be
willing to take up a standpoint that reopens research on many already solved problems.”
(Kuhn 1970). Our thesis produces new problems and questions – especially seemingly solved
ones. But it promises to solve more problems than ever before in the historiography of the
early Middle Ages.
What can I request from the historian, the archaeologist of the Middle Ages, the philologist
and the philosopher? What would I do in their place? Important is the need for discussion and
sponsorship. There exist two attitudes toward research: One of them is direct professional
approach (history, archaeology, and philology); the other is discussing the theory of
knowledge and science. Obviously our project is one of interdisciplinary research. Only in this
way we can produce the expected change of paradigms with the necessary emotional distance.
References
The following literature is only a fraction of what should have been named. Various essays by
Illig, Müller, Niemitz, Zeller and Topper directly related to the phantom time hypothesis are
listed separately later.
Adam, Ernst: Epochen der Architektur. Vorromanik und Romanik. Frankfurt/Main 1968
Cahen, Claude: Der Islam I, Fischer Weltgeschichte Band 14. Frankfurt/Main 1968
Clot, André: Harun al-Raschid. dtv 11312, München 1990
Fehring, Günter P.: Einführung in die Archäologie des Mittelalters. Wissenschaftliche
Buchgesellschaft Darmstadt, 1992
Fuhrmann, Horst: Von der Wahrheit der Fälscher. In: Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Band
33, Fälschungen im Mittelalter, Internationaler Kongreß der Monumenta Germaniae
Historica, München 16.–19. September 1986, Teil I:83–98
Haarnagel, Werner: Die einheimische frühgeschichtliche und mittelalterliche Keramik aus den
Wurten „Hessens“ und „Emden“ und ihre zeitliche Gliederung. In: Praehistorische Zeitschrift
37(1959):14–56
Hodges, Richard: Dark Ages Economics, The origins of town and trade A.D. 600–1000,
Duckworth, London 1982
Hodges, Richard; Hobley, Brian: The rebirth of towns in the west AD 700–1050. CBA
Research Report No.68, Alden Press Ltd, Oxford 1988 (Tagungsbericht von 1986)– 12 –
Hollstein, E.: Dendrochronologische Untersuchungen an Hölzern des frühen Mittelalters. In:
Acta Praehistorica 1(1970):147–156
Hollstein, E.: Mitteleuropäische Eichenchronologie. 1980
Hubert, Jean; Porcher, Jean; Volbach, W. Fritz: Die Kunst der Karolinger. Von Karl dem
Großen bis zum Ausgang des 9. Jahrhunderts. München 1969
Illig, Heribert: Hat Karl der Große je gelebt? Bauten, Funde und Schriften im Widerstreit.
Mantis Verlag, Gräfelfing 1994
Karayannopulos, Johannes: Die Entstehung der byzantinischen Themenordnung. Beck,
München 1959
Keller, Cornelius: Zeiger der Zeit, Neue Datierungsmethoden korrigieren die Geschichte. In:
Bild der Wissenschaft 1/1992:16–20
Kuhn, Thomas S.: The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. University of Chicago Press, 1970
Krohn, Wolfgang; Küppers, Günter: Die Selbstorganisation der Wissenschaft. stw 776,
Franfurt/Main 1989
Le Goff, Jaques: Die Geburt des Fegefeuers. dtv, München 1990
Lilie, Ralf Johannes: Die byzantinische Reaktion auf die Ausbreitung der Araber, Studien zur
Strukturwandlung des byzantinischen Staates im 7. und 8. Jahrhundert. In der Reihe
Miscellanea Byzantina Monacensia, Heft 22. München 1976
Lindenschmit, Handbuch der deutschen Alterthumskunde. Erster Teil: Die Alterthümer der
merowingischen Zeit. 1880–1889
Lüling, Günter: Über den Ur-Qur’an. Ansätze zur Rekonstruktion vorislamischer christlicher
Strophenlieder im Qur’an. Erlangen 1974
Lüling, Günter: Die Wiederentdeckung des Propheten Muhammad. Eine Kritik am
„christlichen“ Abendland. Erlangen 1981
Roth, Cecil; Levine, I.H. (eds.): The Dark Ages. Jews in Christian Europe 711–1096. Volume
11 of the World History of the Jewish People, London 1966
Schmidt, Burghardt: Zur absoluten Datierung bronzezeitlicher Eichenholzfunde.
Archäologisches Korrespondenzblatt 14(1984):233–237
Schreiner, Peter: Die byzantinische Geisteswelt vom 9. bis zum 11. Jahrhundert. In: Anton
von Euw; Peter Schreiner (Hgrs.): Kaiserin Theophanu. Begegnung des Ostens und
Westens um die Wende des ersten Jahrtausends. Gedenkschrift des Kölner SchnütgenMuseums zum 1000. Todesjahr der Kaiserin. Band II; Köln 1991
Stamm, Otto: Spätrömische und frühmittelalterliche Keramik der Altstadt Frankfurt am Main
(Schriften des Frankfurter Museums für Vor- und Frühgeschichte). Frankfurt/Main 1962– 13 –
Vychitil, Peter: Keramik des 8. bis 13. Jahrhunderts aus Siedlungen am Maindreieck. Beiträge
zur Anwendung quantitativer Methoden. Habelt, Bonn 1991
White jr., Lynn: Die mittelalterliche Technik und der Wandel der Gesellschaft. München 1968
Willkomm, Horst: Kalibrierung von Radiokarbondaten. In: Acta Praehistorica 20(1988):173–
181
The following papers directly related to the phantom time hypothesis appeared in
Vorzeit-Frühzeit-Gegenwart – Interdisziplinäres Bulletin, since 1995: Zeitensprünge
Mantis Verlag, Heribert Illig
Lenbachstraße 2a
D-82166 Gräfelfing
Germany
Phone: +49 89 878806
Email: mantisillig@gmx.de
URL: http://www.home.ivm.de/~Guenter/
[“1/91” means: “Issue 1 of year 1991”. The papers are between five and 23 pages long.]
Illig, Heribert (1/91): Die christliche Zeitrechnung ist zu lang
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (1/91): Fälschungen im Mittelalter
Illig, Heribert; Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (1/91): Hat das dunkle Mittelalter nie existiert?
Illig, Heribert (2/91): Augustus auf dem Prüfstand
Zeller, Manfred (3–4/91): Deutsche Literatur im Mittelalter
Illig, Heribert (3–4/91): Väter einen neuen Zeitrechnung: Otto III. und Silvester II.
Illig, Heribert (3–4/91): Dendrochronologische Zirkelschlüsse
Illig, Heribert (5/91): Jüdische Chronologie. Dunkelzonen, Diskontinuitäten,
Entstehungsgeschichte
Illig, Heribert (2/92): Wann lebte Mohammed?
Illig, Heribert (2/92): Der Kruzifixus. Sein „doppelter“ Ursprung im 6. und 10. Jahrhundert
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (3/92): Archäologie und Kontinuität. Gab es Städte zwischen Spätantike
und Mittelalter?
Illig, Heribert (4–5/92): 614/922 – der direkte Übergang vom 7. ins 10. Jahrhundert
Müller, Angelika (4–5/92): Karl der Große und Harun al-Raschid. Kulturaustausch zwischen
zwei großen Herrschern?
Illig, Heribert (4–5/92): Alles Null und richtig. Zum Verhältnis von arabischer und
europäischer Kultur
Illig, Heribert (4–5/92): Vom Erzfälscher Konstantin VII. Eine „beglaubigte“
Fälschungsaktion und ihre Folgen– 14 –
Zeller, Manfred (1/93): Die Steppenvölker Südost-Europas in der Spätantike und im
Frühmittelalter
Illig, Heribert (2/93): Das Ende des Hl. Benedikt? Der andere ‚Vater des Abendlandes‘ wird
auch fiktiv
Illig, Heribert (2/93): Langobardische Notizen I. Urkunden, Stuckfiguren und kaiserlose
Städte
Illig, Heribert (2/93): St. Denis und Suger – zum zweiten. Wie ein Karolingerbau
verschwindet und Frankreich entsteht
Marx, Christoph (3–4/93): Datieren vor der Gregorianischen Kalenderreform
Illig, Heribert (3–4/93): Kalender und Astronomie
Zeller, Manfred (3–4/93): Das Kalifat der Omaijaden
Zeller, Manfred (3–4/93): Der Iran in frühislamischer Zeit
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (3–4/93): Eine frühmittelalterliche Phantomzeit – nachgewiesen in
Frankfurter Stratigraphien
Topper, Uwe (1/94): Die Siebenschläfer von Ephesos. Eine Legende und ihre Auswirkungen
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (1/94): Byzantinistik und Phantomzeit
Illig, Heribert (2/94): Doppelter Gregor – fiktiver Benedikt. Pseudo-Papst erfindet Fegefeuer
und einen Vater des Abendlandes
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (2/94): Die Dauerkrise frühmittelalterlicher Keramikforschung
Topper, Uwe (3/94): Zur Chronologie der islamischen Randgebiete. Drei Betrachtungen
Zeller, Manfred (3/93): Zentralasien im frühen Mittelalter. Auswirkungen der Rekonstruktion
bis nach China
Topper, Ilya Ullrich (4/1994): 300 Jahre Phantomzeit? Kritische Anmerkungen
Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (3/95): Die “magic dates” und “secret procedures” der
Dendrochronologie
Illig, Heribert (1/96): Streit ums zu lange Frühmittelalter. Mediävisten stolpern über hohe
Ansprüche und leere Zeiten
Topper, Uwe (2/96): Wer hat eigentlich die Germanen erfunden?
Zeller, Manfred (2/96): Die Landnahme der Ungarn in Pannonien. 895 findet dasselbe statt
wie 598
Illig, Heribert (3/96): Roms ‚frühmittelalterliche‘ Kirchen und Mosaike. Eine Verschiebung
und ihre Begründung
Marx, Christoph (3/96): Der (bislang) letzte „Große Ruck“ 1348. Die Schwelle vom
Mittelalter zur Neuzeit
Blöss, Christian; Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich (3/96): Der Selbstbetrug von C14-Methode und
Dendrochronologie
Topper, Uwe (4/96): Hinweise zur Neuordnung der Chronologie Indiens
Illig, Heribert (4/96): Flechtwerk und Ketzertum. Langobardische Notizen II
Zeller, Manfred (4/96): Die Nordwestslawen im Frühmittelalter– 15 –
Müller, Angelika (4/96): Die Geburt der Paläographie
Illig, Heribert (4/96): Wie das letzte Aufgebot. Historiker bringen kein stichhaltiges Argument
gegen die Phantomzeit
Illig, Heribert (1/97): Ein Schwelbrand breitet sich aus. Zur Fortführung der Mittelalterdebatte
Illig, Heribert (1/97): Zur Abgrenzung der Phantomzeit. Eine Architekturübersicht von
Istanbul bis Wieselburg
Illig, Heribert (2/97): ‚Karolingische‘ Torhallen und das Christentum. Rings um Lorsch und
Frauenchiemsee
Recent books about the phantom time hypothesis:
Blöss, Christian; Niemitz, Hans-Ulrich: C14-Crash – Das Ende der Illusion, mit
Radiocarbonmethode und Dendrochronologie datieren zu können. Mantis, Gräfelfing1997,
ISBN 3-928852-15-9
Illig, Heribert: Das erfundene Mittelalter – Die größte Zeitfälschung der Geschichte. Econ,
München 1998, ISBN 3-612-26492-3
Illig, Heribert: Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht? Wie 300 Jahre Geschichte erfunden wurden.
Econ, München 1999, ISBN 3-612-26561-X
Topper, Uwe: Erfundene Geschichte – Unsere Zeitrechnung ist falsch. Herbig, München
1999, ISBN 3776620854
Graphs mentioned are located in the paper.

I'm by no means a history expert, but it seems plausible. Can the experts on the period comment?
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It's bullshit. To elaborate it requires the Byzantines, the Catholic Church, and the entire Islamic World to be unable to maintain a Calender despite knowing the equinoxes and having numerous holy days at specific times of the year and having the work already done for them by the ancients to the tune of being off by 300 years of phantom history. Its so called supporting details are flat out wrong. Towns survived in Italy, for example, and there has been extensive work on the development of town in northern Germany. He's wrong on just about every detail about the Cathedral of Aachen. Lorsch Abbey from the same time period has similar arches and the Byzantine influenced Romanesque and Pre-Romanesque design work is typical of the time period and it in many ways lays the blue print for the Gothic style of later years.

The idea that the rise of Islam, an event which shook the Medieval World to its foundations and resulted in huge swaths of territory, including heavily urbanized parts of the Byzantine Empire, being absorbed into a new empire is so preposterous it's unworthy of commentary.
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To expand, this is what the Western world looked like at 750 AD.

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That giant empire is the Muslim caliphate. Rewriting history is going to require their assistence. Especially since Muhammad was born in 570 AD and died in 632. (they claim "We have to eliminate two phantom times; the first of approximately 78 years (from 583 AD until 661 AD")

So yeah, the Islamic world would notice the birth and death of their prophet. Especially with the fixed calander making him live until 710 AD if he dies at the age 62. Given you have two seperate branches growing from the dispute over the successive caliphates... or he was supposed to recieve relevation in 610... or the fact Islam keeps a seperate calander...

yeah Imperial Overlord is right, this is pretty much bs.
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Do not forget that the muslims maintain their own calender system, the lunar Hizri calender. This "theory" would require the islamic calender to be rigged as well.
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The article makes a few claims in regards to the spread of Islam, Persian literary sources, and Islamic caliphs that are flat wrong.

For instance, the Shahnameh is indisputably post-Islamic in its publication for a number of reasons. For their theory to be accurate it either had to have been published well before the Islamic conquest (which can't be true for a number of reasons) or Persian could never have been conquered by the Islamic Caliphate. That's remarkably unlikely and contradicts what they say two paragraphs later re: inscriptions depicting Khosrow paying homage to the Ummayyad Caliph.

I could go through the rest, but I'll stop at the assertion that "Harun al-Rashid is an invention." It's just untrue. We have coins, buildings, and a trove of documentation dating back to his reign. It's simply impossible to fabricate that much. Outside of Byzantium they know absolutely nothing about the claims they are making (in regards to Byzantium they may have a thimble-full of knowledge, proving the old adage that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.)

They offer two hypotheses on how this loss of time could have happened. The first is so absurd as to be downright hilarious ("Ancient Chroniclers never counted the years after the death of Jesus before!"), the second is solely Byzantine focused and would require the Islamic Caliphate(s) and China to, basically, disappear while the hoax was pulled off before reappearing afterwards and then basing their history solely on Byzantine sources. I find that hypothesis... unlikely, to say the least.
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Imperial Overlord wrote:
The idea that the rise of Islam, an event which shook the Medieval World to its foundations and resulted in huge swaths of territory, including heavily urbanized parts of the Byzantine Empire, being absorbed into a new empire is so preposterous it's unworthy of commentary.
I was heading out the door when I posted and damn does it show. What I meant to say was that the rise of Islam not actually having occurred at the time it did is preposterous even if the whole thing wasn't riddled with factual errors.
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It's probably no better than Anatoly Fomenko's New Chronology. It's interesting to pick apart occassionally, but no more than that.
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The whole paper is a disgrace. He starts of by citing Illig, who himself is counted as a crackpot. Of ccourse, Niemitz is of the same variety.

Let me tell you why Illig is regarded that way - because his work has been looked at by historians, astronomers and others and is now passed around by them as a great source of comedy. This whole piece is based on Illigs hypotheosis (or rather, a modification of it.) It is too bad that Illig lies through his teeth because he still keeps on going even after Dietmar Herrman showed that the events that happened and were allegedly falsified by later historians had to happen at the exact time as they were described because certain astronomical events could only have happened at that specific time. For example, the two solar eclipses described by Hydatius are discounted by Illig because Hydatius (according to him) was a later invention. But Herrmann has shown that they only could have happened at those times due to astronomical conditions.

What was Illig response? He took a few minor inaccuracies in Hydatius work, did not discuss Herrmann's main arguments and then concluded that due to Hydatius making minor errors, this means the whole work can be discounted. In short, he ignored the argument. Instead of explaining the inaccuracies (which are a mistake by Hydatius of two years when dating the
start of the reign of one pope), Illig used this minor error to discount the whole work as an invention. This was even more troubling because Hydatius was not writing history as we know it, he wanted to write about events through a christian perspective. Precise dating was not a priority of his, but Illig claims that it has to be. You now know why historians no longer attempt to argue with Illig as the guy is a fanatic and an idiot.

Illig's other attempt to construct a problem with the easter tables is also pretty moot because he claims that Gregor should have looked at all easters all the way back to Caesar before making his calendar. But any student of antiquity knows that the date of easter was contested hotly in the christian church for decades and even centuries. We even know of riots because some bishops apparently calculated the date wrong. Easter thus always varied and to assume that Gregor should have cared what people in Caesar's time thought about dating is quite idiotic. Thus, inaccuracies there are easily explainable that way.

Even more damaging was the archeological evidence. There is not even a need to go to the east for that, plenty of evidence right in Germany. BTW, notice how they focus on Aachen? That is because we know for example of continued archeological evidence in Paderborn which directly contradicts Illig. What was the reaction of Illig and his ilk? They totally ignored it and switched the perspective to Aachen. You can see how that guy never, ever mentions the contradictions, not even in this text? Illig looks at some cities where we do not know things and uses them as evidence for his thesis, while ignoring cities we do know about. He then takes the unknown as evidence that the rest is faked. See a pattern here?

A further problem for Illig are the dead. For example, in antiquity up to 600 it was custom to bury people in the frank sphere of influence with goods and symbols of their social standing. However, by the early tenth century it was custom to no longer do that, burials usually only contained the corpse from then on. Yet, if we were to follow Illig, this custom appeared overnight and was instantly adopted in the whole frankish empire. And archeologists just faked the hundred thousands of burial places which we know of? And people died in the millions more in the first decade of the 9th century to explain the dead? If we were to follow Illig, we have death epidemics in the hundred of millions followed by birth epidemics in the same magnitude, all in the space of a few years. And society just went on and did not collapse (on a population basis of several dozen millions. Women truly are clown cars, they just pump out babies like a modern car factory does with cars). I am sure you can see for yourself how this is illogical. However, this contradiction never appears in the text.

BTW, if we cut 300 years, then good luck in trying to explain how suddenly the slawic tribes marched from the east of the baltic into central Europe, how the Langobard kingdom lost its power in a decade after just crushing Byzantine power in Italy within the same and how Islam suddenly made a Blitzkrieg and mass conversions on a scale never seen before within a few decades. In short, it is completely illogical even if we just use archeological evidence to counter it.


I'll deal with the rest of the text now after dealing with the general insanity of Illig. BTW, here is a good summary of the insanity (in German) of Illig - the things I quoted above are just a few examples of Illig and his ilk. Link in German

However, these and many other
arguments implicate that the Chapel of Aachen has to be regarded as a building of the second
part of the 11th century.– 2 –
No, just no. You just do not make any such assumptions just based on "hey, looks familiar". You need a lot more than that. BTW, these are the arches:
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Pray tell what is so anachronistic about them? We simply do not have contemporary works because we have little writings from this period.
Some historians have noticed this contradiction, but they solve it this way: the scholars in
Caesar’s time reckoned a different date for the equinox (the day in spring, where day and
night have the same length). Yet it can be proved that the Romans used the same date for the
equinox as we do today, i.e. the 21st of March (Illig 1991 and 1993).
Suffice to say that Illig is regarded a crackpot, with good reason. See above.
If our thesis of 300 phantom years is right, then the thesis must also be valid for the whole of
Eurasian-African history for the period between 600 AD and 900 AD. In this time period
Byzantium and the new Islamic realms were supposedly fighting each other in the Near East
and the Mediterranean.
Let us look at Byzantium first. Historians acknowledge a special problem for exactly this
period: when did the Empire reform its administration? When and how did this reform –
called by modern historians ‘reform of the themes’ – come into being? How did feudalism
develop? One group of historians pointed out that the essentials for this reform were outlined
in Antiquity and that for the 300 years following 600 AD nothing happened. Thus nothing can
be said about this period, because no historical sources exist for the supposed reform in this
period.
BS. We simply have too many events for this period that we know of through other writings that cannot be ignored. Unless he wants to suggest that this is all an invention by a vast conspiracy.

Also, seeing as how the only source we have for city administration in late antiquity, is Libanios, is he now suggesting that there was no administration earlier because we do not have any sources? Besides, he is apparently unaware of the existence of sources like the chronicon paschale, which, though not an administrative work, is nevertheless a contemporary work of the seventh century. Also, note how he does not cite any historian who actually researched late antiquity and Byzantine administration? None at all. I wonder why.... :roll:
The introduction of Arabic coins organized by the caliph Abd al Malik in 695 AD reveals
some remarkable contradictions. The Arabic coins bear the portrait of the Persian king
Khosrow II who died long time before (Zeller 1993). Manfred Zeller draws the following
conclusion from this and other facts: We have to eliminate two phantom times; the first of
approximately 78 years (from 583 AD until 661 AD) and a second one of approximately 218
years (from 750 until 968).
HAHAHAHAHA. This is not how numismatic arguments work. It is easily countered by saying that the portrait of the king in western societies remained the same for several hundred years because back then, people did not believe in the power of faces but in symbols. Thus, the very same coin might be minted for hundred of years. This is no evidence at all. Even more, why would the arabs, who needed to gain legitimacy, not continue to use the stylings of the Persian king? Alexander did the same.
Probably Islam did not spread until 10 centuries ago.
So we know that Islam suddenly managed a feat - conquering the whole of the Roman Empire's african territories and the visigothic kingdom of spain in just a few years. Right.
The few existing stratigraphies of German towns give evidence of the phantom time. In
Frankfurt am Main archaeological excavations did not find any layer for the period between
650 and 910 AD. Nevertheless it has been assumed that something had been found in order to
avoid empty centuries, which is unconceivable. Thus the absent period was construed by
layers – composed of waste and ceramic fragments from other locations – which were spread
to fill in the gap and support known chronology (Stamm 1962; Niemitz 1993).– 5 –
Archaeological research in ceramics encounters big problems for the projected phantom time.
Two quotations: “The evolution of half a century is unclear” writes Peter Vychitil in his 1991
publication about ceramics of the 8th to 13th centuries from settlements of the Main-triangle.
Thirty years earlier Werner Haarnagel had some troubles with the slow-moving evolution of
vessel forms in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries at the North Sea coast; it is impossible to find an
order in these ceramic vessels. Even to construct a relative chronology still seems to be
impossible. Therefore the ceramic experts try to solve their problems with mathematical and
statistical methods (Vychitil 1991,21; Niemitz 1994).
Notice how he never mentions Paderborn? See above for that.

There is another argument against applying dendrochronology to the Middle Ages. The
number of suitable samples of wood, which connect Antiquity and the Middle Ages is very
small. But only a great number of samples would give certainty against error. For the period
about 380 AD we have only 3, for the period about 720 AD only 4 suitable samples of wood
(Hollstein 1980,11); usually 50 samples serve for dating.
Oh, suddenly when it does not agree with you the scarcity of evidence is a problem and one should not use a few samples for basing whole theories on it? Interesting.

The important question of the medievalist is: How was history made? Because he knows how
false history can be made. We were really impressed by one of the lectures – a lecture about
the great number of fakes and suspicious documents. It was at the end of the conference when
Horst Fuhrmann, president of the Monumenta Germaniae Historica, emphasized a special
peculiarity of some of the important faked documents. He demonstrated that the important
fakes of the Roman Catholic Church have an anticipating character (Fuhrmann 1988,89).
These documents had to wait their great moment to come. “Centuries after being produced
these fakes were integrated into the framework of the clerical and laical world .” (Fuhrmann
1988,90). Fuhrmann’s opinion was that in the first place the environment (“Umfeld”) must
exist before a fake can be effective.
“It is naive positivism to argue, that fakes like the ones represented here could have changed
the world. An assertion like this confuses cause and effect: rather a correspondingly changed
world had accepted the fakes. Or in other words: The evolving Papal centralism didn’t need
the fakes; but the fakes needed the evolution of Papal centralism in order to become
successful.” (Fuhrmann 1988,91).
I have only one thing to say: Screw you. Misrepresenting Fuhrmann, one of the greats, a man I know not to be a crackpot, in this way is an insult to everybody with half a brain.

But who could have had an interest in faking so many documents? And why did the ‘fakers’
need a phantom time of 300 years? We developed two hypothesis which basically don’t
contradict.
Hypothesis One: Otto III didn’t live accidentally around the year 1000 AD; he himself had
defined this date! He wanted to reign in this year, because this suited his understanding of
Christian milleniarism. He defined this date with the help of his famous and well-versed
friend Gerbert de Aurillac, later Pope Sylvester II. In reality they lived approximately seven
hundred years after the birth of Jesus Christ, but never until then had the years been reckoned
‘after Christ’. Perhaps unaware of their error and without intending to falsify they defined one
special year as ‘1000 AD’ (Illig 1991). Consequently chroniclers had to invent 300 years of
history. To fill up empty periods – what a great occasion for dynasties and kings! You can
design the planned future as a construct of the past, and this apparently happened: Otto III– 10 –
construed Charlemagne as the model hero he himself wanted to be. Supposedly he sketched
Charlemagne’s history only a bit, or it wasn’t even him but the generations after him who
lined out a whole full life picture. Especially the clergy hoped to get advantage in its
confrontation with the emperor, which had started in the 11th century.
Hypothesis Two: Constantine VII of Byzantium (905 – 959 AD) organized a complete
rewriting of the whole Byzantine history. The famous German Byzantinist Peter Schreiner has
demonstrated how official historiography interprets this process: beginning in the year 835
AD monks rewrote piece by piece all texts which had been written in Greek maiuscula, in the
new form of writing hence called minuscula. Schreiner postulates that each text was produced
only once. Then the originals were destroyed (Schreiner 1991,13). This means that all existing
texts of the then leading culture nation had been changed or rewritten completely in new script
in the lifetime of two generations, or even faster, and have been well invented, we suppose
(Illig 1992).
It is not important to explain the motivation of the emperor Constantine VII. I only want to
demonstrate, that an action of rewriting and faking like this has happened. If it could happen
in Byzantium, it might have happened at any other place, too. Moreover Theophanu, mother
of Otto III, came from Byzantium and was a niece of the emperor Tzismiskes (emperor from
969 AD until 976 AD), a descendant of the same dynasty as Constantine VII. As to the
question of who faked and why, there could be many speculations. Its seems that in this
question surprises are ahead which could create trouble for many academic institutions as well
as other social groups.
So we have a vast conspiracy because two emperors suddenly decided to fake history? And their fakes fit so perfectly together they must have made it up? This is so illogical for it needs a level of coordination betwween the fakers that is just impossible. He expects us to believe that in an age where they could not even agree on diplomatic protocol and the honor of each other two Imperial dynasties conspired in a process so perfect it created three hundred years of history neatly fitting together? In an age where the two could not even properly communicate due to the west not speaking or reading greek? Did hundreds, nay thousands, of scholars willing to manipulate writings and falsily whole texts suddenly drop from the sky in an age where universities did not exist and not even monks had universal literacy?

What is even worse is why this should have happened. If this was propaganda, why did the emperors record so many facts that made Imperial authority look stupid, weak or incompetent? Not only must they have been master fakers with complete master in Greek, Syrian, Latin and arabic, they also must have been the worst propagandists possible.
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TerraIthra wrote: I'm by no means a history expert, but it seems plausible. Can the experts on the period comment?
This is the worst conspiracy theory there is in existence. I am amzed that you thought it even plausible.
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Also, that 'missing' period covers the arrival of the Avars, the Magyars, the Romanians, and some other tribes that are well documented by many sources, including the change in European warfare/fortress construction during those times in reaction to those new threats.

Or should a number of countries have just popped into existence overnight?
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LaCroix wrote:Also, that 'missing' period covers the arrival of the Avars, the Magyars, the Romanians, and some other tribes that are well documented by many sources, including the change in European warfare/fortress construction during those times in reaction to those new threats.

Or should a number of countries have just popped into existence overnight?
I already said that, but thanks for elaborating.
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Sorry, I missed that sentence...
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Don't worry, that point cannot be emphasized enough.
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Thank you all for the expert analysis. This is why I brought it to you, because I'm not knowledgeable enough to critically analyze it.
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Why the hell would people voluntarily skip 300 years of history and cover it up anyway?

The idea it would be done in the first place is nonsensical.
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It has all the tell-tale problems of conspiracy theories even if you know nothing at all about history, anyway. The obvious giveaway is how he waves his hands over the "evidence" and then explains it all with a gigantic conspiracy between two feuding royal families that would have to involve thousands of people perfectly cooperating with each other...

FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

So: we have perfect people perfectly falsifying records for no gain, but it MUST BE TRUE. It would be another thing if the evidence was conclusive and irrefutable, but it's not.
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According to Wikipedia:
AD 325 (when the Roman Catholic Church thought the First Council of Nicaea had fixed the vernal equinox on 21 March)
Here are the 300 years.
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This is hilarious. How does he tackle the numerous sources from the Merovingian and Carolingian periods? He outright declares feudalism a construct developed in antiquity, so....
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LaCroix wrote:Also, that 'missing' period covers the arrival of the Avars, the Magyars, the Romanians, and some other tribes that are well documented by many sources, including the change in European warfare/fortress construction during those times in reaction to those new threats.

Or should a number of countries have just popped into existence overnight?
On top of that, the Viking Age never happened, and Alfred the Great never existed.
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Elfdart wrote:
LaCroix wrote:Also, that 'missing' period covers the arrival of the Avars, the Magyars, the Romanians, and some other tribes that are well documented by many sources, including the change in European warfare/fortress construction during those times in reaction to those new threats.

Or should a number of countries have just popped into existence overnight?
On top of that, the Viking Age never happened, and Alfred the Great never existed.
Correct, but you could explain the pillaging away rather easily by attributing it to hysteria and myths, overblown claims and the same story being retold multiple times with the city name varying. The same about a single King - just look at how many persons are possible to be the mythical King Arthur.

But the emerging of whole new states that happen to be big players right after these 'missing years' is hard to handwave away.
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PeZook wrote:It has all the tell-tale problems of conspiracy theories even if you know nothing at all about history, anyway. The obvious giveaway is how he waves his hands over the "evidence" and then explains it all with a gigantic conspiracy between two feuding royal families that would have to involve thousands of people perfectly cooperating with each other...

FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

So: we have perfect people perfectly falsifying records for no gain, but it MUST BE TRUE. It would be another thing if the evidence was conclusive and irrefutable, but it's not.
Indeed!

Speaking as someone who hasn't made a deliberate effort to study history for about seven years the theory would have appeared stronger without trying to explain how the falsification happened at all. Reading "Mr. Layperson, you don't know jack about the Dark Ages because they didn't exist!" functions well as a Big Awesome Idea and an appeal to latent anti-intellectual vanity, but reading "and all it took to do this was a bunch of monks falsifying tens of thousands of translations across two generations" felt like the historian's version of "before I explain this cold fusion process I need you to wear these nice shiny hats."

Thanks for picking this apart more clearly; it's an education every time I step into the History forum.
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