Primer
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Re: Primer
Primer is impressive for the budget it was made on (~7000 dollars!). I respect the movie on an intellectual level, but I like the idea of the movie more than I like the movie itself. Still, at ~70 minutes it's not like it will eat a lot of your time even if you hate it.
By the way, here is the complete list of timelines including all time travel from both characters.
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A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
Re: Primer
I've seen part of it, I thought it was pretty boring.
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The movie despite doing a recap of vaguely what happened at the end is still damn confusing in the complexity of the events.
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Re: Primer
Watched it with a friend a few months ago, first time for both of us.
Our reaction was pretty much an hour and a half of 'I have no idea what's going on' followed by a 'what just happened'.
Our reaction was pretty much an hour and a half of 'I have no idea what's going on' followed by a 'what just happened'.
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I've been following every lead up on the internet, but I don't think anyone actually knows what this movie is about. It's literally the most complicated movie I've ever watched.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSWgww_ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9I_qo9V ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y0fzAnQ ... re=related
This seems to explain it, if you can stomach how he keeps on coughing and stuttering. The explanation seems easy enough to follow.
Might try watching it eventually, as it intrigues me. However according to the above links, there are now 3 Aarons running about, and 2 Abes running around at the same time and permanently now. I realise that the way this time travel works means that there will be a short period where there are two of each time traveller, however when the "original" version gets in the time machine box it leaves the future time traveller to continue living the same life past that point, ie there is now only one version of the time traveller. However if they sabotage the time machine that means there will be more than one of them, and with no time travel there is no way for the original to remove themselves. Thus we end up with a paradox, (whereas before the time travel didn't create one because they were careful to stay out of the way).
Now the question is, would I have got it the first time without reading the spoilers. Well we will never know now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9I_qo9V ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y0fzAnQ ... re=related
This seems to explain it, if you can stomach how he keeps on coughing and stuttering. The explanation seems easy enough to follow.
Might try watching it eventually, as it intrigues me. However according to the above links, there are now 3 Aarons running about, and 2 Abes running around at the same time and permanently now. I realise that the way this time travel works means that there will be a short period where there are two of each time traveller, however when the "original" version gets in the time machine box it leaves the future time traveller to continue living the same life past that point, ie there is now only one version of the time traveller. However if they sabotage the time machine that means there will be more than one of them, and with no time travel there is no way for the original to remove themselves. Thus we end up with a paradox, (whereas before the time travel didn't create one because they were careful to stay out of the way).
Now the question is, would I have got it the first time without reading the spoilers. Well we will never know now.
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Re: Primer
I've watched it once, and stayed with it through the first 2/3 pretty easily, and SORT OF understand the resolution with recap aid; I love multi-threaded movies and time travel.
I'm going to watch it again soon with timeline in hand. Hopefully I'll be able to post a step-by-step (cough free) breakdown after that.
I'm going to watch it again soon with timeline in hand. Hopefully I'll be able to post a step-by-step (cough free) breakdown after that.
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I have managed to um, watch it. I certainly got the gist of the story because I had earlier read the explanations.
Anyway, one of the things which made it confusing IMO was because it was low budget, the director resorted to telling instead of showing and cramming it all in. That is they had hooded Aaron narrate what happens with his future version trying again and again to get that guy arrested. The events got crammed together so instead of giving it time to build up and letting us figure out gradually whats happening, it was just dumped on us.
I certainly got the gist of the story because I had earlier read the explanations.Anyway, one of the things which made it confusing IMO was because it was low budget, the director resorted to telling instead of showing and cramming it all in. That is they had hooded Aaron narrate what happens with his future version trying again and again to get that guy arrested. The events got crammed together so instead of giving it time to build up and letting us figure out gradually whats happening, it was just dumped on us.
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Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
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Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
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Just watched it after learning about it from this thread.
It's not bad, I liked it somewhat. The "gritty" realistic depiction of how they design and build their prototype is nice, and the time machine in this show has the interesting limitation of only sending you back to the point in time that it was originally switched on.
Aside from that, it's pretty standard fare, though, and the confusion stems primarily from the way the story is presented (mr friendly guy sums it up nicely).
It's got the "splitting timeline" view toward time travel.. if I switch on the machine in the morning, and climb in at night with the full intention of stopping my past from climbing in, I still maintain my morning memory of climbing in. Therefore a new timeline is created, though I originate from the previous original timeline.
Hence all the characters' panic about violating causality and causing paradoxes, the speculation about what the effects would be, and the precautions taken to minimize it, turns out to be moot.
It's not bad, I liked it somewhat. The "gritty" realistic depiction of how they design and build their prototype is nice, and the time machine in this show has the interesting limitation of only sending you back to the point in time that it was originally switched on.
Aside from that, it's pretty standard fare, though, and the confusion stems primarily from the way the story is presented (mr friendly guy sums it up nicely).
It's got the "splitting timeline" view toward time travel.. if I switch on the machine in the morning, and climb in at night with the full intention of stopping my past from climbing in, I still maintain my morning memory of climbing in. Therefore a new timeline is created, though I originate from the previous original timeline.
Hence all the characters' panic about violating causality and causing paradoxes, the speculation about what the effects would be, and the precautions taken to minimize it, turns out to be moot.
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Re: Primer
Is this like a movie of "By his Bootstraps" or something?
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Re: Primer
No, it's a movie about a pair of engineers who try to build a room-temperature superconductor in their spare time, but it actually turns out to be a time machine, which they don't even realize initially. Then the story goes from there.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'