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Rep. Peter King (R-NY), the new chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, has promised to launch a series of investigations of Muslim Americans beginning in February. “I’ve made it clear that I’ll focus the committee on counterterrorism and hold hearings on a wide range of issues, including radicalization of the American Muslim community and homegrown terrorism,” he told Newsday. King has repeatedly said that he only wants to single out “Islamic terrorism” in his hearings on domestic security, and has even claimed that there are “too many mosques in this country.”

Joining anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney on Gaffney’s radio program last week, King doubled down on his promise to launch a witch-hunt against Muslims. He repeated a falsehood that he stated earlier — that American Muslims never cooperate to combat terrorism. But in addition to this claim, King made the extraordinary smear that American Muslims aren’t “American” when it comes to war. “[W]hen a war begins,” King said, every ethnic and religious group unites as “Americans.” “But in this case,” King continued, referring to Muslims, “this is not the situation. … Whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should”:

GAFFNEY: It sounds like what you’re recognizing — thank God — is that within the Muslim community, even in this country, let alone elsewhere, folks are finding an environment in which on the one hand it is very easy to be radicalized if you will, to be brought to an adherence to Sharia which leads to jihad. But also, there’s an enomorous pressure on those within the community presumably I would imagine you agree from the Muslim Brotherhood which is much in place in this country to not to come forward, to not help us defeat what really is our common foe: namely the folks that would impose Sharia on all of us.

KING: Yeah, and Frank, this is very unusual for our country because despite a person’s ethnic background or religious background, when a war begins, we’re all Americans. But in this case, this is not the situation. And whether it’s pressure, whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should. The irony is that we’re living in two different worlds. One is the real world that I find when I’m talking with police officers, talking with federal law enforcement authorities. And when I raise the question of Muslim cooperation, they look at me like ‘oh of course not, no there’s no cooperation, we don’t anticipate that.’ You know, ‘We never expect cooperation.’ They try but hardly ever get it.

As ThinkProgress’ Ben Armbruster has observed, King’s assertion that American Muslims aren’t cooperating with authorities and that Muslim organizations in the U.S. aren’t denouncing terrorism is simply false. At an event sponsored by the Center for American Progress, Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) reported that, “About a third of all foiled al-Qaida-related plots in the U.S. relied on support or information provided by members of the Muslim community.” Indeed, a Senagalese Muslim immigrant who works as a vendor in Times Square was the first to bring the smoking car that was part of the failed Times Square bombing plot to the police’s attention. And the father of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab — who failed in his attempt to blow up an airplane over Detroit last year — alerted U.S. authorities of his son’s “extreme radical views” months before he tried to carry out the attack.

Moreover, a study from Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina found that “many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring antiviolence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.” “Muslim-American communities have been active in preventing radicalization,” said study co-author David Kurzman. “This is one reason that Muslim-American terrorism has resulted in fewer than three dozen of the 136,000 murders committed in the United States since 9/11.”
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Unfortunately I don't have any witty or insightful commentary to offer, other then the observation that the US seems to require a boogyman and it seems Muslims are to be this generations.
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Outrageous and stupid. My professional opinion is that the greatest threat from domestic terrorism sources comes from the sovereign citizen movement.
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More likely the Muslims will rotate with the Chinese and Mexicans on being the 'foreign' scapegoat of the week for Fox News and its client media for the next few decades.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:Outrageous and stupid. My professional opinion is that the greatest threat from domestic terrorism sources comes from the sovereign citizen movement.
It's pretty amazing how this comes a few days after an attempt at political assassination (aka domestic terrorism) which resulted in dozens of injuries as well as deaths.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:Outrageous and stupid. My professional opinion is that the greatest threat from domestic terrorism sources comes from the sovereign citizen movement.
It's pretty amazing how this comes a few days after an attempt at political assassination (aka domestic terrorism) which resulted in dozens of injuries as well as deaths.
I find it bizarre that only law enforcement organizations are talking about the Sovereign Citizen movement and the threat they pose. Yet the aggressive politicians seem to ignore them. Their members can murder opposing political figures, police officers, and children but you don't hear the rally cry to unite against them.
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I'm absolutely positive this will make Muslims more forthcoming about potential extremists in their midsts.
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What is this sovereign citizen thing anyways?
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Talhe wrote:I'm absolutely positive this will make Muslims more forthcoming about potential extremists in their midsts.
No, this will make American Muslims fearful and resentful of their own government. It will also generate new recruiting material for Al Qaeda. Peter King is an imbecile, which seems these days to be the sole requirement for membership and nomination in the Republican Party.
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^He was being sarcastic.
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Thanas wrote:^He was being sarcastic.
Thank you; sarcasm is hard to transfer over the internet.

And yes, this plays into the hands of both violent and non-violent Islamists, as American policy seems to do disturbingly often.
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That said...McCarthyism, anyone? Hell, it worked then! No more Iron Curtain so there's your proof!
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Aaron wrote:What is this sovereign citizen thing anyways?
Short version: The government doesn't have authority over me. The US is a fraud and has been for decades. The longer version.. Well, ADL has a nice summation. Link. So does SPLC and other groups. It's right-wing anarchist madness, complete with what has been termed 'paper terrorism', using mounds of fraudulent legal documents to intimidate and terrorize everything from Joe Public to law enforcement. They also love to file fraudulent lawsuits or liens against anyone they wish to terrorize, plus use 'Common Law Courts'.
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So a supporter of the IRA gets to investigate Teh Moooooslims in order to root out "terrorism". Next we'll have an anti-porn committee headed up by a supporter of NAMBLA to stop the exploitation of children.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Outrageous and stupid. My professional opinion is that the greatest threat from domestic terrorism sources comes from the sovereign citizen movement.
It's pretty amazing how this comes a few days after an attempt at political assassination (aka domestic terrorism) which resulted in dozens of injuries as well as deaths.
I find it bizarre that only law enforcement organizations are talking about the Sovereign Citizen movement and the threat they pose. Yet the aggressive politicians seem to ignore them. Their members can murder opposing political figures, police officers, and children but you don't hear the rally cry to unite against them.
Shit, even I've been monitoring the sovcits, militias, and conspiracy whackjobs, and I'm in fucking Australia. It's a fucked up world where a foreigner with no personal stake seems (they probably have at least one task force on them, let's face it, but it's easier to sell 'evil mooslims' to the general populace.) to be paying more attention than the HSC.
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KING: Yeah, and Frank, this is very unusual for our country because despite a person’s ethnic background or religious background, when a war begins, we’re all Americans. But in this case, this is not the situation. And whether it’s pressure, whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should. The irony is that we’re living in two different worlds. One is the real world that I find when I’m talking with police officers, talking with federal law enforcement authorities. And when I raise the question of Muslim cooperation, they look at me like ‘oh of course not, no there’s no cooperation, we don’t anticipate that.’ You know, ‘We never expect cooperation.’ They try but hardly ever get it.
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Why do people keep using the "we're at war" line, even though the US hasn't been in a war since the 40's?
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It doesn't take a declaration for there to be a war man.
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Elfdart wrote:So a supporter of the IRA gets to investigate Teh Moooooslims in order to root out "terrorism". Next we'll have an anti-porn committee headed up by a supporter of NAMBLA to stop the exploitation of children.
Don't you know? It's only terrorism if the people blowing stuff up are brown non-Christians, and the people being blown up are Americans! :roll:
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Elfdart wrote:So a supporter of the IRA gets to investigate Teh Moooooslims in order to root out "terrorism". Next we'll have an anti-porn committee headed up by a supporter of NAMBLA to stop the exploitation of children.
Don't you know? It's only terrorism if the people blowing stuff up are brown non-Christians, and the people being blown up are Americans! :roll:
Obviously, his experience supporting the IRA will give him an insight into Muslims with subversive thoughts- I mean, terrorist motivations. How dare you question his patriotism, or the motives of the American government! :wink:
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KING: Yeah, and Frank, this is very unusual for our country because despite a person’s ethnic background or religious background, when a war begins, we’re all Americans. But in this case, this is not the situation. And whether it’s pressure, whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should. The irony is that we’re living in two different worlds. One is the real world that I find when I’m talking with police officers, talking with federal law enforcement authorities. And when I raise the question of Muslim cooperation, they look at me like ‘oh of course not, no there’s no cooperation, we don’t anticipate that.’ You know, ‘We never expect cooperation.’ They try but hardly ever get it.
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Talhe wrote:Obviously, his experience supporting the IRA will give him an insight into Muslims with subversive thoughts- I mean, terrorist motivations. How dare you question his patriotism, or the motives of the American government! :wink:
I dare because the IRA very nearly succeeded in killing my father. :wink:

I'm personally of the opinion that this arsehole should be in prison, along with anybody else that raised funds for or donated to the IRA, but I recognise that that is so wildly unlikely to happen as to be basically impossible.
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KING: Yeah, and Frank, this is very unusual for our country because despite a person’s ethnic background or religious background, when a war begins, we’re all Americans. But in this case, this is not the situation. And whether it’s pressure, whether it’s cultural tradition, whatever, the fact is the Muslim community does not cooperate anywhere near to the extent that it should. The irony is that we’re living in two different worlds. One is the real world that I find when I’m talking with police officers, talking with federal law enforcement authorities. And when I raise the question of Muslim cooperation, they look at me like ‘oh of course not, no there’s no cooperation, we don’t anticipate that.’ You know, ‘We never expect cooperation.’ They try but hardly ever get it.
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Aaron wrote:Unfortunately I don't have any witty or insightful commentary to offer, other then the observation that the US seems to require a boogyman and it seems Muslims are to be this generations.
>cough< - while there's no denying there is an extremist element in the US that "requires" a bogeyman (and when not using Muslims for that purpose they frequently target "liberals"), that's a lot different than implying everyone in the US is an unrepentant bigot and conspiracy theory nut. Really, it's analogous to saying everyone in Germany is a neo-Nazi just because a segment of their population is, and some of them have been known to hold public office.

Quite a few of us recognize the difference between "terrorist" and "Muslim" and do what we can to keep the distinction alive. Admittedly, my county needs to do a much better job of keeping the nutjobs out of government office.
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Gandalf wrote:Why do people keep using the "we're at war" line, even though the US hasn't been in a war since the 40's?
Incorrect, sir.

Granted, Korea and Vietnam were officially "police actions", but the Gulf War of 1990-1991, the invasion of Afghanistan, and that mess in Iraq were ALL formally declared wars. So by my count that's at least three, and arguably five. Actually, I could probably include some smaller conflicts in there, but I think I've made the point.

Currently the US is involved in three wars: Afghanistan, Iraq, and technically Korea - because in the case of Korea we have a cease-fire, but not an actual formal end to hostilities, and no peace treaty.

That's leaving aside the "war on cancer", "war on poverty", "war on drugs", etc.
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