Opera 7 Sucks.....stay with Opera 6!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-02-25 10:30pm

In retalitation for M$ fucking over Opera, Opera made it
so that M$ complaint sites won't show on Opera...what a bunch
of pissy bastards...

My site was REALLY fucked up in Opera7, but it was fine in Opera6...

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-25 10:31pm

Like http://www.microsoft.com ?

I have Opera 7 and it works for me.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-25 10:33pm

Fuck Opera. Tried it once, didn't like it.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-26 01:09am

Opera 6 was great! Im running seven now and it has been bastardized to shit like B&B Trek.

I'm gonna get 6 back.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-26 01:10am

I haven't tried Opera 7. I use 6 occasionally, but mostly I surf with Konqueror in Linux.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-26 01:14am

It might just be my comp, but pages work better with 7 than 6 for me. Overall, 7 over 6 in my case.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-26 02:09am

Can't blame it, shep. Your site is not standards compliant.

Add this to the top:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

and this inside the HEAD

<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">

Really doesn't make a difference though, just nitpicking. In mozilla, it makes it evaluate the page more carefully and anything that violates standards looks fucked up. However you need it for the page to make it through the W3C validator, which checks other stuff on your page.

Also, you are using a lot of deprecated features. Use CSS for everything.

Just took a crash course in HTML during the snow days reading official W3C documents, hence the obsession with standards compliance.

Also I posted an article earlier about how MS sites are fucking with opera. Anyways I hate opera. Mozilla, Phoenix, or other gecko-based browsers are better, because of more plugins, and more sites are tested on it.

Dammit I hate people who use browsers that can't fully support CSS, like IE6 and Opera 6. That means I can't use all the new features I learned, except for Mozilla users. Also plan to learn DOM and JS for DHTML, but IE6 supports jack shit of DOM2. Hope IE7 rectifies this, though probably not, since MS wants to break standards, not conform, and since many people use IE, people will only code for IE. Ugh. And spanky thinks why I hate MS?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-26 02:13am

Plutonium, are you like, scared of me or something?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-26 02:20am

Heh... I think I'll agree with Plutonium that non-standards compliance is a major headache. IE works, but it could be a hell of a lot better, and Netscape 4 is such a disaster that when it finally dies, I'm going to be dancing in the streets.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-26 02:38am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Plutonium, are you like, scared of me or something?

Yes.

I've only just started learning some HTML, and I don't know JS, so I can't make detection scripts, meaning any pages I make will have to be pretty basic. Ugh.

I also have 1 gripe about Mozilla: the object tag fails to act like an IFRAME, the scrollbars won't move, acts like a picture. You need this to comply with HTML Strict, which makes it easier to transition to XHTML in the future. Embarassed myself by filing a duplicate bug on Bugzilla

.

I don't think they will fix it anytime soon, since you aren't supposed to use IFRAMEs/(embedded HTML document with object) anyways, and no one uses HTML Strict, since people are still used to using deprecated attributes like <body bgcolor="blue"> instead of <body style="background-color:#0000FF">, esp for those people who haven't upgraded to IE6, which has slightly better support. It's also interesting that Mozilla Composer uses some of these obsolete attributes in some places.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-26 03:28am

Pu-239 wrote:I don't think they will fix it anytime soon, since you aren't supposed to use IFRAMEs/(embedded HTML document with object) anyways, and no one uses HTML Strict, since people are still used to using deprecated attributes like <body bgcolor="blue"> instead of <body style="background-color:#0000FF">, esp for those people who haven't upgraded to IE6, which has slightly better support.

True, which is why 4.01 Transitional works for most purposes.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-26 03:34am

I'll agree....Opera 6.4 was way better....my own site is completely fucked up when I visit it through o7 yet it's fine when it's ms?

I'm sorry but the concept of Microsoft working is like the same as American military intelligence...

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-26 07:42am

Standards compliant browsers aren't supposed to render improper HTML. Mozilla is supposedly like this, but it seems to work with a lot of improperly done websites. I've noticed that some pages when writing don't work when you put in the doctype definition, but do when you don't. For example if you forget to append px to the positioning values, and include the doctype at the top, it just ignores the invalid CSS.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-26 11:45am

My site apparently works just fine, but that's probably cause it's so basic.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-26 01:49pm

Get a Mac and use Safari. It rocks.

Datana · Post by **Datana** » 2003-02-26 02:07pm

Heck, this BBS doesn't work quite right under Opera 7. It's impossible to go to any but the first page of a given post (at least under MilleniumFalcon), and the table formatting is utterly foobared. I use Opera 6.4 when coming here.
Has anyone heard Opera's response to MS intentionally screwing with MSN's page format for Opera users? It (the response) is pretty immature, and can be found here.

EDIT: Changed to clarify a sentence.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-26 02:09pm

Shinova wrote:My site apparently works just fine, but that's probably cause it's so basic.

Eww, Frontpage. What's FP 5.0? 2000, 97, what?

Put the doctype def in.

Use stylesheets, and make alternate ones too.

You might also want to switch to spaceports.com, 50 megs, or another host.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-26 03:57pm

Pu-239 wrote:
Shinova wrote:My site apparently works just fine, but that's probably cause it's so basic.
Eww, Frontpage. What's FP 5.0? 2000, 97, what?

Put the doctype def in.

Use stylesheets, and make alternate ones too.

You might also want to switch to spaceports.com, 50 megs, or another host.

Frontpage 2002.

Have no idea what a doctype def is. Or a stylesheet. Maybe I'll go try to look for some online docs on web design. I have good taste for design

but no technical skill

As for spaceports.com, I'm gonna look into it. Thanks for the info.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-26 04:35pm

A doctype tells the browser what version of HTML/XHTML you're using. There's probably a more technical definition but that pretty much sums it up AFAIK.