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I'm surprised nobody has started a thread on this. Over the past couple of days, Tunisia has been wracked by protests and rioting, set off by an incident where a guy set himself on fire in response to having his vegetable stand confiscated.

It's gotten to the point where the President and dictator, Ben Ali, has fled the country -
Al Jazeera English wrote:
Tunisia's long-standing president has left the country amid violent protests and the prime minister has taken over control of the government.

"Since the president [Zine El Abidine Ben Ali] is temporarily unable to exercise his duties, it has been decided that the prime minister will exercise temporarily the [presidential] duties," Mohammed Ghannouchi, the Tunisian prime minister, said on state television.

Ghannouchi is now the interim president. He cited chapter 56 of the Tunisian constitution as the article by which he was assuming power.

Maltese air traffic controllers have told Al Jazeera that Ben Ali is bound for Paris, though the Maltese government has denied any knowledge of Ben Ali's plane having stopped in Malta after having left Tunis.

In his televised address, Ghannouchi vowed to respect the constitution and restore stability, and called on citizens to "maintain patriotic spirit ... in order to brave through these difficult moments".

He also vowed to carry out inflation and unemployment redressal policies "exactly" as they had recently been announced by Ben Ali.

Ayesha Sabavala, a Tunisia analyst with the Economist Intelligence Unit in London, told Al Jazeera that with President Ben Ali out of the country, there are "only ... a few people ... capable of [running the country] within the RCD [the ruling Rassemblement Constitutionel Démocratique party], and Ghannouchi is an ideal candidate".

Abdel Karim Kebiri, a former senior adviser to the International Labour Organisation, told Al Jazeera that "the people will be happy" with Ben Ali's departure.

Al Jazeera's Hashem Ahelbarra said the days events were a "political earthquake" and "something unheard of".

He said that it was also as yet unclear what role the army was playing in matters.

It was reportedly moving towards the capital to "take charge of the situation from the security forces, which are seen by Tunisians as a main problem for its long record of human rights abuses".

Violent unrest

Friday's developments come following weeks of violent clashes across the country over unemployment and rising food prices.

Matters came to a head in the capital, Tunis, on Friday, as police tear-gassed protesters gathered outside the interior ministry building. Witnesses said police used batons to disperse the crowd, but the protesters insisted they would not leave until Ben Ali steps down.

Sabavala opined that Ben Ali's exit will "certainly lessen these protests, but whether they completely stop - the only way that is going to happen is if the interim government immediately starts implementing plans to address the issues that have been at the core of these protests".

"Simply bringing in an interim president, and especially one who has been close to Ben Ali ... is not going to be enough," she said.

"Logically, there is bound to be a lot of distrust, because Ghannouchi is part of the very close inner circle ... of Ben Ali. Past promises that have been made [by that government] have not been kept."

State media earlier reported that Ben Ali had imposed a state of emergency in the country and promised fresh legislative elections within six months in an attempt to quell the wave of dissent sweeping across the country.

There were also reports that the airport in Tunis had been surrounded by troops and the country's airspace has been closed. Air France, the main international airline into and out of Tunisia announced that it had ceased flights to Tunisia following that announcement.

State TV reported that gatherings of more than three people had been banned, and that violators would be shot by security forces if they did not heed their warnings.

Seventy-four year old Ben Ali had been in power for the last 23 years, after taking power in a bloodless coup. On Thursday, he vowed not to seek re-election and reduce food prices in a bid to placate protesters.

But the pledges seemed to have little effect as fresh street protests erupted on Friday.

The unrest in the country began on December 17, after a 26-year-old unemployed graduate set himself on fire in an attempt to commit suicide. Mohammed Bousazizi's act of desperation set off the public's growing frustration with rising inflation and unemployment, and prompted a wave of protests across the country.

Ghannouchi, 69, is a trained economist who has been a close ally to Ben Ali for many years. Prime minister since 1999, he is one of the best-known faces of Tunisia's government. He also has served as the country's minister for international cooperation and its minister of foreign investment.

Chapter 56 of the Tunisian constitution, under which Ghannouchi has taken power, reads:

"In the event the president of the republic is incapable of discharging his duties temporarily, he may order for his powers and authorities be delegated to the first minister, save the right of dissolving the parliament.

"During this period of temporary incapacity, the government shall remain standing until such state of incapacity is eliminated, even if the government is chastised.

"The president shall inform the speaker of the parliament and the chairman of the Advisers Board of the temporary delegation of his powers."

Call for restraint

UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon has urged restraint.

"The political situation is developing fast and every effort must be made by all concerned parties to establish dialogue and resolve problems peacefully to prevent further loss, violence and escalations," he said.

The US government has said that the Tunisian people have a right to choose their leaders and they will monitor developments in the country closely, a White House statement said on Friday.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, termed the situation in Tunisia "very serious", and said that Germany will "closely monitor the situation and take care of those Germans who are still in Tunisia".

Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, has said that France recognises the "constitutional transition" in the country, and that his country hopes for a "peaceful resolution" to the crisis.

Western countries urged their people to avoid travel to the popular tourist destination due to the instability.
Any thoughts? Some notable voices, such as Juan Cole, are saying this is huge.
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I've been following along on Al Jazeera, but your story is news to me. Last I heard he was just promising to step down in 2014.
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I don't know whether it's permanent or not. I suppose it's possible he could return once things have "settled down" (assuming they do).
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Yeah its huge. Tunisia has been hovered on the edge of stability for a very long time;. They have one of the wealthiest economies in Africa but they are also ruled by a dictatorship, Ben Ali seized power in the 1980s and has been rigging the elections ever since. That kind of situation doesn’t last because the dictator has no acceptable excuse to keep repressing people. Ali tried to declare war on the internet and IIRC Tunisia like China and North Korea started up its own closed network alternative. People have been looking for a rallying cry to get rid of him, good for them that they’ve finally found one.
Guardsman Bass wrote:I don't know whether it's permanent or not. I suppose it's possible he could return once things have "settled down" (assuming they do).
That would be absurdly unlikely, you don't step down and flee the country after being dictator for that long and come back.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:Over the past couple of days, Tunisia has been wracked by protests and rioting, set off by an incident where a guy set himself on fire in response to having his vegetable stand confiscated.
The rioting finally reached the capital in the last couple of days, but the incident that started the whole thing (the guy lighting himself on fire) happened almost a month ago.

I'm surprised that the president fled the country. Here's to hoping that he stays gone and is replaced by someone who's not such a douchebag.
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Looks like the president is in Saudi Arabia. Hopefully he'll stay there until some form of justice can be meted out against him (actual justice, not just killing him): http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... 0F20110115

On the plus side for Saudi Arabia, this is a slight step up from Idi Amin.
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I think he's probably going to stay gone. He left with his family.
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The PM he appointed should actually be a good transition figure if he can hold things together in the next month or two; the entire reason this guy got the job was that he was the only A) reasonably competent figure who B) Ali trusted not to try for the whole hog because C) he's allegedly real big on national stability. He appears to be trying to keep the military under control (which is relatively small, Western, and not-crazy for the Middle East; the police, now....) and has at least made noises about wanting to organize elections. ...Probably partly because he wants to go back to being a private citizen, honestly.
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The PM he appointed no longer has any power as the constitution required him to step down and hand the power over to the speaker, which he did. Besides, this PM was a corrupt crook just like the Prez anyway - a corrupt system can only produce corrupt crooks in power. Especially those who ascend through formal channels.
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The more interesting issue now that the Tunisian situation seems on a way to free elections and possibly normalcy is the ripple effect this will have on the other Arab countries. Morocco, Algeria, Egypt and several countries in the Middle East.

Many of them have a similar situation and similar problems, so those governments are probably shitting their pants right about now.
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Well if this revolution or whatever the hell it is that is happening down there actually leads to some more democratic society with only relatively minor death tolls (i.e a couple of hundreds) that would be fucking nice. These things always seems to end up in some brutal anarchy-civil war or they are masterminded by NATO or Russia (orange revolution, Georgia) or some other big influential group. Would be nice if this was a pure democratic revolution.
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If a democratic revolution occurs in Tunesia, what kind of situation can we expect? A Turkey-type scenario or an Iran-type scenario?
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I doubt that Islamists will be able to take power in Tunisia; Habib Bourguiba, Ali's predecessor, was a die-hard anti-Islamist, and Ali tortured and exiled/tortured hundreds of members. And beyond that, the protests seemed to be of a secular nature.
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It's a moderate/secular type of movement with one moderate Islamic party as a potential big player. The uprising is pretty much society wide instead of driven by some small subsection of the population. It's likely to be moderate, which is precisely what scares all the other Arab countries, most of which are run as dictatorships or authoritarian setups of some kind or another.
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A man immolated himself in Algeria a short while ago. Clearly inspired by Muhammad Bouazizi; perhaps it will start something similar there.

Algerian dies in self-immolation, echoing Tunisia
Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:43pm GMT

ALGIERS (Reuters) - A man has died after setting himself on fire at a government building in Algeria, state radio reported on Sunday, echoing the self-immolation that triggered the protests that toppled the leader of neighbouring Tunisia.

Mohsen Bouterfif doused himself in gasoline and set himself on fire on Thursday after a meeting with the mayor of the small city of Boukhadra who was unable to provide him a job and a house, the daily El Khabar newspaper said. He died on Saturday of his burns.

About 100 young men protested over Mohsen's death in the town, in Tebessa province, 700 km east of Algiers. The governor of the province sacked the mayor, El Khabar said.

Several Algerian towns, including the capital Algiers, have experienced riots in recent weeks over unemployment and a sharp rise in the prices of food staples.

Official sources say two people have been killed and scores were injured during the unrest, which unfolded in parallel to street violence in Tunisia and demonstrations over high food prices in other North African and Middle Eastern countries.

To calm the protests, Algeria has cut the cost of sugar and cooking oil.

The fall of Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali on Friday -- the first time in generations that an Arab leader has been toppled by public protests -- sent a sharp signal to the rest of the region, dominated by autocratic regimes.

The protests that brought down Ben Ali erupted after the self-immolation of 26-year-old vegetable seller Mohamed Bouazizi, who set himself on fire on December 17 because police had confiscated his vegetable cart. Bouazizi died weeks later of his burns, becoming a martyr to crowds of students and the unemployed protesting against poor living conditions.

(Reporting by Lamine Chikhi; Editing by Peter Graff)

Apparently there's been a number of similar suicide attempts (Times Live).
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He said that it was also as yet unclear what role the army was playing in matters.

It was reportedly moving towards the capital to "take charge of the situation from the security forces, which are seen by Tunisians as a main problem for its long record of human rights abuses".
A few blogs and eyewitness accounts of people in Tunisia are reporting that the army is essentially intervening on the side of the revolution. Its organized citizen militias to defend neighborhoods from the police, and engaged in a few firefights with loyalist police units. This seems to be a fairly decent blog that's covering the revolution.
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NightWatch even went so far as to call it a military coup d'etate:
NightWatch wrote:Tunisia: Tunisia has experienced a military coup d'etat led by Army General Rachid Ammar who is the power behind a civilian leadership council led by the Speaker of the Parliament. It has not experienced a revolution or popular overthrow of the government. That might yet come, but the Army's monopoly of guns makes it highly unlikely. It also sidesteps the underlying grievances that drove the unrest during the past month.

In the past 24 hours, Tunisians saw their President offer conciliation, including banning use of live ammunition; order the government sacked; declare an emergency and then leave the country.

The Army left the streets of Tunis but came back, took over the airport, took over security duties from the police, surround the Interior Ministry which controls the police, and implement the state of emergency, including removal of the posters of former President Ben Ali. Security forces were reported to have arrested Ben Ali's son-in-law and other family members.

Prime Minister Ghannouchi announced he was acting as President but would hand over power to the six-person leadership council, chaired by the Speaker of Parliament and including the Minister of Defense. The announcement of these develops ended with the statement that further changes will be read out by Commander of the Land Forces, General Rachid Ammar.

Comment: Ammar supposedly resigned rather than order troops to fire on demonstrators earlier this week, but obviously is a member of the leadership council. Ammar is in control. The style of this overthrow is almost identical to that in Bangladesh in 2007, in which a civilian figurehead fronted for the Chief of the Army Staff, who used the Army to restore civil order and eliminate corruption in government.

The following emergency conditions are now in effect:

"First, any gathering of more than three people is prohibited in the public places and streets in the whole of Tunisia.

Second, curfew will be imposed on individuals and cars from 1800 to 0600.

Third, it is possible for the security services and the national army to use weapons against any suspect person who does not obey orders to stop, try to run away and who leave no chance to force him to stop.

These measures will be in force from now on until contrary measures are being taken."

Late reports. Demonstrations in Tunisia continued against Prime Minister and interim President Mohamed Ghannouchi for assuming the presidency. Helicopters were deployed over areas west of the capital that are experiencing unrest, the news agency said.

Comment: The new civilian leadership has promised to honor the constitution and to implement the promised reforms. It looks as if Ben Ali made promises he had no intention of keeping or had a melt down of some kind. In any event, the Army takeover on the 14th will pause the action and should be sufficient to restore order, provided the Army or the police do not join the protestors.

The role of the Army thus far is to stabilize security so that the civilians can arrange new elections in six months. That is what occurred in Bangladesh, but in Bangladesh General Moeen's crackdown was much sterner and led to extensive criminal investigations of civilians for corruption.

The calls for the resignation of the Ghannouchi presidency are a significant indicator that a popular uprising was not the agent of government change. It was the trigger for a breakdown in the unity of the government that forced the President to leave. That is a praetorian coup.

The protestors understand what happened which is why they are calling for Ghannouchi -- who was prime minister under the prior regime - to resign. The political struggle does not seem finished. The caretaker or interim government has no more resources for solving fundamental economic problems 24 hours ago than it has today. The present civilian figureheads are not likely to last.

The Army will be the primary agent of stability for now but it might have to step from behind the scenes before the situation is stabilized. Even then, none of this week's drama solves the economic problems. It just postpones dealing with them, while the political order adjusts itself. Coups always do that.

The crisis might end soon, but has not ended yet.

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Jordan: About 8,000 protesters marched throughout Jordan on 14 January protesting commodity prices, unemployment and poverty. In addition to Amman, there were demonstrations in Maan, Karak, Slat, Irbid and Dhiban.

In Karak, at al Omari mosque, 300 to 400 protested, chanting slogans against Prime Minister Samir al-Rifai. Similar numbers marched in the other towns and cities. A group of leftist and Baathist parties reportedly organized the demonstrations; the Muslim Brotherhood said it was not involved.

Three days ago, after riots began in Algeria and Tunisia over high prices, unemployment and falling living standards, Jordan announced a $225 million package of cuts in the prices of some types of fuel and of staple products including sugar and rice.

Libya: The government abolished taxes and customs duties on food products.

Morocco: The government offered compensation to importers of soft milling wheat to keep supplies stable after a surge in grain prices.

Senegal: President Abdoulaye Wade expressed concern about the high cost of basic commodities, citing a statement by the Cabinet. Wade instructed Prime Minister Souleymane Ndiaye Ndene and the ministers of finance and commerce to submit proposals for lowering prices.

Comment: Many countries on the southern and eastern Mediterranean coast have a large class of unemployed and under-employed youth; high prices for food and essentials; authoritarian governments considered corrupt and few resources for fixing the problems. Some like Tunisia were considered stable and good places to do business.

Egypt is overdue for another paroxysm of popular protest. The last riots were over bread prices in 2007 and 2008.
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I don't think I agree with that. Sources from within Tunisia, including the previously mentioned blog, seem to say that the Army is supporting the revolution and fighting the more "political" police who are attacking revolutionary elements and gatherings. The general in question is said to be considering a run for the post of PM when the elections are called. That doesn't really support claims of a military coup. It appears to me that the military is fighting for the people, against the former regime's forces.

My knowledge of Tunisia is limited, however. I also imagine the events of the last two days may lead to a different conclusion in tomorrow's Nightwatch report (your link is two days old).
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I don't think I agree with NightWatch either. They're not a pathetic mouthpiece of First World imperialism, unlike many other media outlets, but it doesn't mean their every opinion is justified.
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If someone that high ranking had organized a coup, you wouldn't think they’d be in the situation of calling out the population to defend the streets with sharpened sticks.
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Looks like self-immolation as a protest is spreading across the Middle-East:

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/ ... 33833.html
A man set himself on fire outside Egypt’s parliament in Cairo, and another man torched himself in front of the presidential palace in Mauritania’s capital on Monday in an apparent copycat replay of the self-immolation of a Tunisian graduate which sparked a popular revolt.

The man in Egypt, who was identified as restaurant owner Abdo Abdelmoneim from Qantara, near the port town of Ismailiya, "stood in front the parliament building in (downtown Cairo) and set fire to his body," the official MENA agency reported.

"He was immediately taken to hospital to receive the necessary treatment," MENA added.

A parliamentary source said the man "stood outside the People's Assembly, poured fuel on himself and set himself on fire."

"A policeman who was close by managed to extinguish the fire and the man was quickly taken away by ambulance," the source added, according to AFP.

MENA said the man was driven to set himself alight because "he did not receive the bread coupons for his restaurant." It did not elaborate.

The incidents comes after 26-year-old Tunisian graduate Mohammed Bouazizi torched himself in Tunisia when police prevented him from selling fruit and vegetables to make a living.

Egyptians have often voiced similar grievances to Tunisians. They have long complained of economic hardships and Cairo has regularly come under criticism for failing to lift an emergency law in place for three decades.

The case of Bouazizi, who would later die of his wounds, unleashed a wave of protests in Tunisia that would eventually topple the 23-year-old regime of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

In Algeria, at least four attempted public suicides -- all over jobs and housing -- were reported this week after Bouazizi's self-immolation.

Close to half of Egypt's 80 million people live below the poverty line of two dollars a day.

On Friday, dozens of Egyptians celebrated the ouster of the veteran president outside the Tunisian embassy in central Cairo.

Yacoub Ould Dahoud torched himself inside his car
In Mauritania, a young man with a graduate degree from France and who belongs to a wealthy family set himself on fire to protest against alleged government mistreatment of his tribe.

The family of Yacoub Ould Dahoud, 40, reportedly faced government abuse and was excluded from vital decision-making positions thought the country and from government deals with the country's tribes, according the Mauritanian's independent news agency Al-Khabar.

Dahoud's tribe demands that the government fulfill its commitments in a deal it had made with the tribe over a number health ministry posts, the agency added.

The tribe's business in agriculture and trade in marine appliances was also reportedly hard-hit by government policies.

Witnesses said Dahoud was shouting epithets against President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz.

Opposition groups accuse Abdel Aziz's regime of cracking down on opposition voices and driving the country to uncertainty.

A man set himself on fire outside Egypt’s parliament in Cairo, and another man torched himself in front of the presidential palace in Mauritania’s capital on Monday in an apparent copycat replay of the self-immolation of a Tunisian graduate which sparked a popular revolt.

The man in Egypt, who was identified as restaurant owner Abdo Abdelmoneim from Qantara, near the port town of Ismailiya, "stood in front the parliament building in (downtown Cairo) and set fire to his body," the official MENA agency reported.

"He was immediately taken to hospital to receive the necessary treatment," MENA added.

A parliamentary source said the man "stood outside the People's Assembly, poured fuel on himself and set himself on fire."
"A policeman who was close by managed to extinguish the fire and the man was quickly taken away by ambulance," the source added, according to AFP.

MENA said the man was driven to set himself alight because "he did not receive the bread coupons for his restaurant." It did not elaborate.

The incidents comes after 26-year-old Tunisian graduate Mohammed Bouazizi torched himself in Tunisia when police prevented him from selling fruit and vegetables to make a living.

Egyptians have often voiced similar grievances to Tunisians. They have long complained of economic hardships and Cairo has regularly come under criticism for failing to lift an emergency law in place for three decades.

The case of Bouazizi, who would later die of his wounds, unleashed a wave of protests in Tunisia that would eventually topple the 23-year-old regime of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

In Algeria, at least four attempted public suicides -- all over jobs and housing -- were reported this week after Bouazizi's self-immolation.

Close to half of Egypt's 80 million people live below the poverty line of two dollars a day.

On Friday, dozens of Egyptians celebrated the ouster of the veteran president outside the Tunisian embassy in central Cairo.

Yacoub Ould Dahoud torched himself inside his car
In Mauritania, a young man with a graduate degree from France and who belongs to a wealthy family set himself on fire to protest against alleged government mistreatment of his tribe.

The family of Yacoub Ould Dahoud, 40, reportedly faced government abuse and was excluded from vital decision-making positions thought the country and from government deals with the country's tribes, according the Mauritanian's independent news agency Al-Khabar.

Dahoud's tribe demands that the government fulfill its commitments in a deal it had made with the tribe over a number health ministry posts, the agency added.

The tribe's business in agriculture and trade in marine appliances was also reportedly hard-hit by government policies.

Witnesses said Dahoud was shouting epithets against President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz.

Opposition groups accuse Abdel Aziz's regime of cracking down on opposition voices and driving the country to uncertainty.
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-Ravel Puzzlewel, Planescape: Torment
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