Is Bush a closet facist?

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-26 01:44am

During one of his speeches several weeks ago (I believe i t was the state of the Union Address), Bush denounced the evils of Dictatorship, Communism, and HITLERISM. I thought it was interesting that he chose to denouce "Hitlerism" instead of the system of facism. What Im thinking is that he really dosen't mind fascism, just that particular regime. His economic plans sure seem to indicate this, IMO.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-26 01:45am

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-26 01:48am

I'm thinking he would be okay with it if he was the particular fascist in charge.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-26 01:49am

Hitler was far more extreme them your average fascist. And today fascist is used to describe basically any non communist authoritarian state, several of which happen to be important US allies while not being what would have been called fascist when the term was created.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-02-26 01:52am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:During one of his speeches several weeks ago (I believe i t was the state of the Union Address), Bush denounced the evils of Dictatorship, Communism, and HITLERISM. I thought it was interesting that he chose to denouce "Hitlerism" instead of the system of facism. What Im thinking is that he really dosen't mind fascism, just that particular regime. His economic plans sure seem to indicate this, IMO.

"Hitlerism," could just be one of many George W. Bush's slip of the tongue when he couldn't find the right word.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-26 01:53am

Trytostaydead wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:During one of his speeches several weeks ago (I believe i t was the state of the Union Address), Bush denounced the evils of Dictatorship, Communism, and HITLERISM. I thought it was interesting that he chose to denouce "Hitlerism" instead of the system of facism. What Im thinking is that he really dosen't mind fascism, just that particular regime. His economic plans sure seem to indicate this, IMO.
"Hitlerism," could just be one of many George W. Bush's slip of the tongue when he couldn't find the right word.

He has a speechwriter. He probably put it in there.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-26 01:54am

Trytostaydead wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:During one of his speeches several weeks ago (I believe i t was the state of the Union Address), Bush denounced the evils of Dictatorship, Communism, and HITLERISM. I thought it was interesting that he chose to denouce "Hitlerism" instead of the system of facism. What Im thinking is that he really dosen't mind fascism, just that particular regime. His economic plans sure seem to indicate this, IMO.
"Hitlerism," could just be one of many George W. Bush's slip of the tongue when he couldn't find the right word.

Thats dubious at best, he probably has a telepromter.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-26 01:55am

Captain tycho wrote:
Trytostaydead wrote:"Hitlerism," could just be one of many George W. Bush's slip of the tongue when he couldn't find the right word.
He has a speechwriter. He probably put it in there.

Maybe, but Bush isn't exactly known for his ability to speak properly, even given a script.

Tragic · Post by **Tragic** » 2003-02-26 01:57am

I doubt he is. But he may have just slipped up and it sounded wrong or misread the prompter

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-26 01:57am

Its hard to be facist in four years, eight at the max.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-02-26 01:57am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:During one of his speeches several weeks ago (I believe i t was the state of the Union Address), Bush denounced the evils of Dictatorship, Communism, and HITLERISM. I thought it was interesting that he chose to denouce "Hitlerism" instead of the system of facism. What Im thinking is that he really dosen't mind fascism, just that particular regime. His economic plans sure seem to indicate this, IMO.

How the hell do his economic plans compare to fascism? He's doing the opposite of what the National Socialists did to their economies, in fact, which was strictly control their industrials - Those controls just worked to maximize their profits instead of minimize them like in a modern European-Socialist regime.

For your information, he was actually being technically correct, proving once again Bush has far more intelligence than most people give him. Probably he's more intelligent than you are. The Nazi Party was, technically, not a fascist party. The Fascist Party is the name of Mussolini's political party. Hitler's political party was the NSDAP, or the National Socialist Party of Germany.

There were sufficient technical differences that you some call them different things. I do, in fact, agree with that evaluation. Nazism/Hitlerism was followed with a religious intensity and the ruling ideology became sufficiently elaborate that it almost qualified as its own religion. It pursued a totally alien and non-rational goal and conceptualization of the world; it became more than a political movement. It was also responsible for one of the worst atrocities in world history.

Fascism showed some elements of this but was rather weak by comparison, even though it was the originator, and Phalangism and the other fascist regimes further descend from Mussolini, not Hitler.

What Hitler created was unique, a national psychosis of frightening proportions.

But, uhm, seriously... Why exactly do you think that Bush has fascist leanings? They had heavy state orientations to begin with, and secondly, both Fascist Italy and Fascist Spain were monarchies - Franco declared himself Regent and eventually made good his word to find a King, and Mussolini was just premier for the King of Italy. The system really wouldn't function here, the symbolism doesn't exist in our past.

The hysteria I'm seeing over what's going on right now is exceptionally amusing.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-26 02:14am

How the hell do his economic plans compare to fascism? He's doing the opposite of what the National Socialists did to their economies, in fact, which was strictly control their industrials - Those controls just worked to maximize their profits instead of minimize them like in a modern European-Socialist regime.

For your information, he was actually being technically correct, proving once again Bush has far more intelligence than most people give him. Probably he's more intelligent than you are. The Nazi Party was, technically, not a fascist party. The Fascist Party is the name of Mussolini's political party. Hitler's political party was the NSDAP, or the National Socialist Party of Germany.

There were sufficient technical differences that you some call them different things. I do, in fact, agree with that evaluation. Nazism/Hitlerism was followed with a religious intensity and the ruling ideology became sufficiently elaborate that it almost qualified as its own religion. It pursued a totally alien and non-rational goal and conceptualization of the world; it became more than a political movement. It was also responsible for one of the worst atrocities in world history.

Fascism showed some elements of this but was rather weak by comparison, even though it was the originator, and Phalangism and the other fascist regimes further descend from Mussolini, not Hitler.

What Hitler created was unique, a national psychosis of frightening proportions.

So in other words, he minds Hitlerism not Fascism......

But, uhm, seriously... Why exactly do you think that Bush has fascist leanings?

He has a coporatist administration, he has ignored and is going to ignore the constitution (War with Iraq) and his administration has passed Laws that violated the rights of the citizens and non-citizen's of the US.

They had heavy state orientations to begin with, and secondly, both Fascist Italy and Fascist Spain were monarchies - Franco declared himself Regent and eventually made good his word to find a King, and Mussolini was just premier for the King of Italy. The system really wouldn't function here, the symbolism doesn't exist in our past.

These are characteristics that aren't necessarily part of the core components of fascism.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-26 02:16am

Oh, the fact that he coined the term "Homeland defense" dosen't exactly help matters considering that Nazi Germany was known as the "Fatherland" and Communist Russia was known as the "Motherland"

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-02-26 02:16am

Oh, the fact that he coined the term "Homeland defense" dosen't exactly help matters considering that Nazi Germany was known as the "Fatherland" and Communist Russia was known as the "Motherland"

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-26 02:23am

There is nothing closeted about Shrubby's fascist ideology.

(I'm using the modern, broadly-painted populist definition of facism here rather than the specific definition that's mostly dead outside of acedemia)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-26 02:26am

It's more annoying self-righteous imperialism than fascist.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-26 02:28am

Enlightenment wrote:There is nothing closeted about Shrubby's fascist ideology.

(I'm using the modern, broadly-painted populist definition of facism here rather than the specific definition that's mostly dead outside of acedemia)

Nice that you defined the term facism for us but left out any examples of what Shubby does that is considered facist by you.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-26 02:34am

He has a coporatist administration

Welcome to a capitalist country, enjoy your stay. To be honest, sometimes both parties go to far in this reguard and to say that Bush is a cororatist administration and the other side is not is disingenuous.

he has ignored and is going to ignore the constitution (War with Iraq)

So the fact that congress voted and passed a bill giving him the authority to wage war if he needed to doesn't qualify as "Declaring War". I guess we still need the Congress to dress up in top hats and monocules.

and his administration has passed Laws that violated the rights of the citizens and non-citizen's of the US.

So far the courts uphold its interpitation. If Padillia and his ilk wish to challenge the laws and/or some on his behalf (plenty of lawyers would love to just for the publisity) let them and we will settle it.

Edited once for screw ups.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-26 03:01am

Knife wrote:Nice that you defined the term facism for us but left out any examples of what Shubby does that is considered facist by you.

Arbitrary detention without charge or trial. PATRIOT II. The national energy policy, formulated behind closed doors by oil executives.

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-02-26 03:22am

Closeted?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-26 03:57am

Johonebesus wrote:Closeted?

Yeah, as in coming out of the closet.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-26 04:26am

Vympel wrote:
Johonebesus wrote:Closeted?
Yeah, as in coming out of the closet.

Dubya is gay? has any one told his wife? I hope no one tells Texas or Dubya will never be able to go home again with out fear of a lynching.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-26 06:27am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Johonebesus wrote:Closeted?
Yeah, as in coming out of the closet.
Dubya is gay? has any one told his wife? I hope no one tells Texas or Dubya will never be able to go home again with out fear of a lynching.

Oh my, that would be bad wouldn't it, would hate that to happen.

*Phones everyone in Texas*

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-26 06:31am

I actually remember a "discussion" in high school between some of our lesser students over which one of Gore or Bush was a bigger "fag".

Yes, that's right: which one was a bigger "fag."

I couldn't help but tell them that the discussion was inherently retarded.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-26 06:34am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I actually remember a "discussion" in high school between some of our lesser students over which one of Gore or Bush was a bigger "fag".

Yes, that's right: which one was a bigger "fag."

I couldn't help but tell them that the discussion was inherently retarded.

Maybe they were Florida calibre voters?

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