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Asia has had enough of excusing the west
By Kishore Mahbubani

Published: January 25 2011 20:47 | Last updated: January 25 2011 20:47

Most crises are known by their origin, from the Mexican peso crisis of 1994/5 to the Asian crisis of 1997/8. Given there is no doubt who caused our world’s latest troubles, it should adopt its logical name: the western financial crisis. This reluctance to call a spade a spade reflects an inability to reckon with changes the US and Europe have to make to avoid a repeat. This worries the rest of the world, and Asia in particular – even if western leaders are shockingly unaware of how they are viewed.Before this crisis Asian policymakers deferred towards their western counterparts. We assumed the west knew best on finance and economics. The enormous blunders since committed by the US and Europe mean deference has been replaced by disquiet. There is a simple reason why the west has not noticed: Asians are too polite. Sometimes it takes a relatively rude Asian, like me, to express our continent’s true feelings.

Fortunately, a few others have begun to speak out. Rakesh Mohan, the ex-deputy governor of the Reserve Bank of India, noted the “global financial crisis has had its roots in the US”. Andrew Sheng, chief adviser to the China Banking Regulatory Commission, strongly criticised US banks and regulators, saying: “When our teachers are no better than us, we really have to think for ourselves.” Top Chinese bank regulator Liu Mingkang has said of US financial reform that “after the death, the doctor came”.

These sentiments are now shared across Asia. Indeed, if the Thais and Indonesians did not come from inherently polite societies, they would say to the US and Europe: “The time has come for you to administer the same bitter medicine you prescribed to us: stop living beyond your means.”

Asia’s concern is that the world will soon come to grief if both the US and Europe fail to make fundamental readjustments. An America that tightens its belt will cause the rest of the world pain, as US consumption and imports diminish. But there is no painless solution: only when America gets its house in order can Asia hope for a more sustainable future.

By contrast, an America that blunders onwards with quantitative easing in the hope of reviving its economy creates enormous global instability. Europe, meanwhile, is not faring much better. As Harvard economist Kenneth Rogoff has written: “Eurozone macroeconomic policy is incoherent on so many levels, it is hard to know where to begin.”

What must be done? Domestically, the US must cut spending and raise taxes, no matter how politically difficult. Europe must resolve its flawed monetary union – with the overhaul of its bail-out fund and the rewriting of Germany’s post-Maastricht “grand bargain” with the periphery a necessary start.

Internationally, Asia needs the US and European Union to take a more assertive role co-ordinating financial regulation. The failure of recent meetings of the Group of 20 leading economies shows both are still unwilling to make sacrifices. Next time they must show they can produce regulatory reforms sufficiently strong and internationally coherent to prevent a re-run of the global financial crisis, even if it hurts their own interests to do so.

America and Europe can again help to shape the world. But they must not focus on scapegoats, such as China’s currency. Yes, it needs to be revalued, but even if it rises by 20 per cent it will not change their fortunes. Only fundamental restructuring within their own borders can do this.

Most fundamentally, we need an end to the pretence that the US and EU are masters of the universe. Both must learn to share power. This means specific reforms, for instance on voting rights at the International Monetary Fund. We also need altered attitudes that accept Asians as equals. Only with such changes will results come in the Doha round, climate change negotiations or monetary co-ordination. What truly frightens many Asians is that western leaders are still unwilling to tell their populations the hard truth – that the world has changed. Their nations must now experience the pain of readjustment they once prescribed to others.

The writer is dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, NUS, and author of The New Asian Hemisphere
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While most of the article sounds like whining rather than constructive criticism, I found the bolded portion interesting. Apart from the Great Depression and the WW2 post slump, the impact of America finanicial mistakes has never been known as the "American" mistake. You had them naming the Tequila crisis, the peso problem, Argentina, the Asian Finanicial crisis, the Russian etc.... but never the American finanicial crisis. While the S&L was arguably localalised, how is this true for the current subprime mortage crisis? Or the resulting housing bubble, or the previous IT tech bubble?

I'm sure Aerius or J will be by shortly to discuss about America economic policy and etc, but my question is with regards to America foreign policy. The image of the decadent West is a common whipping post in the Muslim world. Indeed, one popular conspiracy theory post 1998 in the Muslim world was how America deliberately targeted Asian economies or aggravated/exploited the situation for their own benefit. Mathathir comments about George Soros and a Jewish/American attack on a rising Muslim/asian voice, bolstered by greater wealth is well known. What isn't as well known was the conspiracy theory in Indonesia regarding the IMF and Indonesia domestic policy. Indonesia was forced to cut rice and petrol subsidies, deliberately purchase American grain as a form of collateral for IMF loans and balance the budget which led directly to the racial riots/wealth exodus of Indonesians.

This hot button was not raised during Obama visit to Indonesia last year, indeed, the protests was targeted at America continued involvement in Afghanistan at the time of the visit. Still, as America continues her current economic policy and probable food and oil inflation hits the world, won't economic issues once again be brought forth to the attention of such protestors??
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Why isn't the "American Crisis"? Because it's global. Because it didn't start in America. Because the Asians were just as guilty as everyone else. Let's take China, they're buying up US mortgage backed securities which are known to be worthless on the grounds that a bailout would make them whole and let them pocket a fat profit. They have massive real estate speculation going on and and their banks aren't exactly free of funny business. Pretty much everyone except the 3rd world shithole countries are balls deep in the current financial fuckup, they're all part of the problem and none of them are innocent. It's a Global Financial Crisis.
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That doesn't make sense.
The Tequila Crisis was not solely homegrown, but comprised of multiple foreign investors greed in Mexico and Argentina. The Russian crisis is even more stunning. It impacted the global hedge funds, located worldwide, although the major players were located in the US and the UK.

Ditto to the players here. Global players doesn't have any real impact on naming in the past....
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Because the US Dollar is back by the most powerful military in the world.
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Because countries who attack the United States are obviously under the control of radical dictators, and are subject to immediate liberation.
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How badly did the other crises affect the lives and livelihoods of people in other parts of the world? Did the Asian crisis cause Ireland to go bankrupt? Iceland? Anyone outside Asia? The Mexican peso crisis.... hell, that was just one country.
Most fundamentally, we need an end to the pretence that the US and EU are masters of the universe. Both must learn to share power. This means specific reforms, for instance on voting rights at the International Monetary Fund. We also need altered attitudes that accept Asians as equals. Only with such changes will results come in the Doha round, climate change negotiations or monetary co-ordination. What truly frightens many Asians is that western leaders are still unwilling to tell their populations the hard truth – that the world has changed. Their nations must now experience the pain of readjustment they once prescribed to others.
When the whiners - and I'm Indian, so I'm not biased to the west in any way - can produce significant crises that can bring down countries across oceans, we'll consider them to be sharing power. If China goes kablooey tomorrow, then we'll think about it. And even then, it will be caused by Chinese currency undervaluation. This crisis was caused by *multinational* companies with fingers in too many pies taking advantages of shite regulations everywhere and the oil bubble that caused the collapse of a few currencies.

Besides, the "Pan-American & European crisis" is way to fucking long to say, unless someone brings up a catchy name like "The Hamburger Crisis" or "The NACTFU" (North Atlantic Countries Totally Fucked Us) Crisis and makes it stick, it's not going to matter.

PS: The author conveniently leaves out the fact that the current favourite acronyms are either PIGS or PIIGS....
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spartasman wrote:Because countries who attack the United States are obviously under the control of radical dictators, and are subject to immediate liberation.
Which is exactly how it should be. Everyone sucks but us, clearly.
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UnderAGreySky wrote:How badly did the other crises affect the lives and livelihoods of people in other parts of the world? Did the Asian crisis cause Ireland to go bankrupt? Iceland? Anyone outside Asia? The Mexican peso crisis.... hell, that was just one country.
So, if we're going to say a crisis should be named only if its localised, what about the S&L crisis in the late 80s?

Furthermore, the Asian finanicial crisis DID lead other countries to become bankrupt. Namely, Indonesia and South Korea. What started as an attack on Thailand led to the South Korean chaebol destruction and later wholesale takeover by western corporations.
And the Russian finanicial crisis of 1998 WAS linked to the Asian Finanicial crisis. Didn't cause Russia to become bankrupt, but mutiple banks were.

Ditto to the Russian dollar, which threatened the collapse of multiple hedge funds, which were supposed to lead to a follow on finanicial crisis. Long Term Capital Management and etc were rescued by a US led bailout. Oh. And that hedge fund collapse, which should had led to the resulting meltdown in hedge fund capital movement if not for the US bailout? Blamed on the Asian and Russian finanicial crisis of 1997-1998.
When the whiners - and I'm Indian, so I'm not biased to the west in any way - can produce significant crises that can bring down countries across oceans, we'll consider them to be sharing power. If China goes kablooey tomorrow, then we'll think about it. And even then, it will be caused by Chinese currency undervaluation. This crisis was caused by *multinational* companies with fingers in too many pies taking advantages of shite regulations everywhere and the oil bubble that caused the collapse of a few currencies.
The whiners are probably more interested in the fact that Americans get to dictate finanicial terms to other countries more than anything.
That and malfeaseance is termed stuff like Asian values, crony capitalism, guanxi corruption, oligrachy and etc but US led malfeasance is then accurately termed as short term greed and etc. No special region specific labelling unlike that applied to Latin America, Asia or Russia.
Besides, the "Pan-American & European crisis" is way to fucking long to say, unless someone brings up a catchy name like "The Hamburger Crisis" or "The NACTFU" (North Atlantic Countries Totally Fucked Us) Crisis and makes it stick, it's not going to matter.

PS: The author conveniently leaves out the fact that the current favourite acronyms are either PIGS or PIIGS....
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Like I said, I'm not actually interested in the whole "blame America bit", but rather, on the perception this might have on their foreign policy. Seriously, there's bound to be people who's going to be pissed that so called that the US is treated preferentially, bringing up again the whole foreign and finanicial insitutions are being led by US hambug again.
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PainRack wrote:Seriously, there's bound to be people who's going to be pissed that so called that the US is treated preferentially, bringing up again the whole foreign and finanicial insitutions are being led by US hambug again.
The US is treated preferentially because it's the biggest market for other nations' products and services. Think of it as a prima donna with more money than brains, going on a shopping spree- if she's not treated preferentially, this very important customer will leave, taking all that cash with her. Think of the lost business opportunities- all that money going into OTHER PEOPLE'S WALLETS because you didn't treat her right!
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PainRack wrote:That and malfeaseance is termed stuff like Asian values, crony capitalism, guanxi corruption, oligrachy and etc but US led malfeasance is then accurately termed as short term greed and etc. No special region specific labelling unlike that applied to Latin America, Asia or Russia.
Crony capitalism, oligarchy, Halliburton and Enron, "Bush regime" as codewords for corruption have been applied to the USA for a long time. I do not think America does not get the name-calling bit.

Besides, a lot of commenting journalists outside the US did call it "American" or "US" crisis, not as frequently, but they did (the ones I'm reading anyway, and since I'm a commie I might not be completely in touch with mainstream, but I am in touch with mainstream left-wing press like e.g. Guardian, etc.)
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PainRack wrote:That doesn't make sense.
The Tequila Crisis was not solely homegrown, but comprised of multiple foreign investors greed in Mexico and Argentina. The Russian crisis is even more stunning. It impacted the global hedge funds, located worldwide, although the major players were located in the US and the UK.

Ditto to the players here. Global players doesn't have any real impact on naming in the past....
The difference with our current situation is there is no single place of origin, unlike past crises we can't really point to one place and say "this is where it started". With the Global Financial Crisis everything came apart in multiple places at nearly the same time. I suppose it could be called the First World Financial Kablooie, but then Russia and several East European countries would feel left out and what happened in those countries did and continues to have a fair bit of influence on the economic affairs of Europe and the rest of the more developed countries. Western Financial Crisis doesn't work either since that leaves out Japan & Hong Kong.

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Well, I don't think Japan played any special role, seeing as they seem to lurch from minor crisis to crisis for the last decade.

Same for Hong Kong. On one hand it's chinese, on the other it's a minor district of London.

Before he went Gordon Brown had a good go at pinning it down as 'An American Fincial Crisis", although the then opposition were just as keen to blame it on 'fincial imprudence endemic to broken britain.' A good deal of the population agreed, (Brits being only too convinced that their everything in their country is getting worse, permanently.)

I've not come across anybody blaming China for the recession, just ones who are worried that they're prolonging the problem now.

As for the IMF, for a long time it's prescribed policies have not always been in the patient's best interest.
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madd0ct0r wrote:As for the IMF, for a long time it's prescribed policies have not always been in the patient's best interest.
A recent report indicated there was considerable self-censorship and pressure within the organisation to avoid painting Western countries in too bad a light.
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madd0ct0r wrote:As for the IMF, for a long time it's prescribed policies have not always been in the patient's best interest.
A recent report indicated there was considerable self-censorship and pressure within the organisation to avoid painting Western countries in too bad a light.
Do not bite the hand that feeds you - a rule for any international organization. Especially if your financing hinges on it. IMF is but a tool of the developed nations. Those who believe otherwise ignore a fundamental fact - whoever gives the money, pulls the strings. Look at the list of the largest shareholders in the IMF and make your own call.
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Stas Bush wrote:Do not bite the hand that feeds you - a rule for any international organization. Especially if your financing hinges on it. IMF is but a tool of the developed nations. Those who believe otherwise ignore a fundamental fact - whoever gives the money, pulls the strings. Look at the list of the largest shareholders in the IMF and make your own call.
Of that no one in South East Asia has any doubt of that fact, and that is why Western institutions are still regarded with a fair degree of distrust in Asia.
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hang on. why did i mention the IMF?
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PainRack wrote:So, if we're going to say a crisis should be named only if its localised, what about the S&L crisis in the late 80s?
It didn't spread outside the US, did it? So it does not matter to me what Americans call it! It's a very accurate name too, much more than "dot com bubble".
PainRack wrote:Furthermore, the Asian finanicial crisis DID lead other countries to become bankrupt. Namely, Indonesia and South Korea.
So - GASP, SHOCK, AWE! - you're telling me that the ASIAN financial crisis affected other countries in - WHOA! - Asia? :lol:

Personally, I don't have much to argue with your points. And despite whatever name has been anointed this crisis, everyone seems to be blaming the "capitalists" anyway, which is but a euphemism for American and British-based multinational banks. The resentment towards the west is in full force for the near-depression.
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UnderAGreySky wrote:Personally, I don't have much to argue with your points. And despite whatever name has been anointed this crisis, everyone seems to be blaming the "capitalists" anyway, which is but a euphemism for American and British-based multinational banks. The resentment towards the west is in full force for the near-depression.
I think this is really cutting to the heart of the matter. It seems that the article is looking more for the hallmarks of resentment rather than the resentment itself. I understand why it might be annoying to see the long-lasting symptoms of the feeling not happen, but I don't really think the names are important compared to what happens immediately after, when public feeling is still there to get something done rather than some ghost of a "yeah, I remember that" apathetic quagmire. I'd like to think I'd find something about the response to get annoyed about rather than a name that'll only slightly shift the perception of the people who are likely to then go look at it in greater depth. It is probably worth discussing what we'd have wound up with if the IMF didn't get its funding from the west though. I hope for something truly sarcastic.

Forgive me if I'm a bit of a cynic or worse wrong, but I'm in a situation (namely college) where I can pretty confidently say that the group of people who can name but not explain the various financial crises is pretty short, and the people who can't are liable to get the interpretation fed to them anyway or just not care. Then again, cynic, we can hope for better than I expect.
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The writer is a former diplomat and he does in some ways, carry a chip on his shoulder. He used to be Singapore's ambassador to the UN. Within Asia, many still remember the 1997 crisis and how the IMF was handled it, which resulted in the toppling of one leader and loss of face for many. I don't believe anyone outside Asia will care, given the usual level of ignorance, but many in Asia haven't forgotten.
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