Is Bush a closet facist?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-26 06:36am

Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-26 06:45am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.

Whiggers... *shudder*

I wonder if they used the term "BLING-BLING!" at all there.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-26 06:46am

Heh, well, at least one was what I would call a Whigger. They were all pretty much white ghetto trash that spend all their money on FUBU clothes and shit.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-26 06:51am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, well, at least one was what I would call a Whigger. They were all pretty much white ghetto trash that spend all their money on FUBU clothes and shit.

We can only hope they don't get run over by a group of Whiggers below the wheel in a souped up Nissan Micra with a 10 metre spoiler.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-26 10:49am

Arbitrary detention without charge or trial.

Interesting enough, it has precedent that goes back to a liberal administration and has precedent (As I understand) in the Supreme Court. Add on top of all that, that to qualify (can't think of a better word) for that kind of detention, one must be cateorgized as an enemy combatent. Hardly a constantly seen crime.

PATRIOT II

Correct me if I am wrong, oh mighty Enlightenment, but this hasn't even passed. And it and the first one is still facing possible action in the courts in Judicial review.

The national energy policy

We have a national energy policy? Oh yeah, thats what you all call those against the national eco-nazi agenda.

formulated behind closed doors by oil executives.

Ok, you have a point on this one. I hate the special interests on both sides of the political spectrum.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-26 11:08am

All I'll say is that, even with all the crazy crap Bush has done, at least we didn't get stuck with Gore. Shit, that fucker couldn't even run a college English course legally.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-26 02:32pm

Knife wrote:Interesting enough, it has precedent that goes back to a liberal administration and has precedent (As I understand) in the Supreme Court.

Irrelevant.

I'll give you a cookie if you can figure out why.

Add on top of all that, that to qualify (can't think of a better word) for that kind of detention, one must be cateorgized as an enemy combatent.

Irrelevant as the description 'enemy combatant' can be handed out arbitrarily, leading to arbitrary indefinite detention. 'Enemy combatant' is simply a minor hoop that the administration uses before locking people up indefinitely.

Correct me if I am wrong, oh mighty Enlightenment, but this hasn't even passed. And it and the first one is still facing possible action in the courts in Judicial review.

Irrelevant. A bill need not be passed to demonstrate the ideolgical bent (i.e. wishes) of its backers.

We have a national energy policy? Oh yeah, thats what you all call those against the national eco-nazi agenda.

Nice selective quoting. Next time, stop knee jerking and try a little harder for intellectual honesty.

The point is that the integration of business and government is a hallmark of fascism. The fact that the US has a national energy policy isn't fascist; the fact tha it was drafted by business interests is fascist.

Thank you oh so much for demonstrating why I hold rightwingnuts in about as much contempt as most people here reserve for creationists.

Pistolero · Post by **Pistolero** » 2003-02-26 03:10pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.

What's a whigger?

All joking aside, these are scary times we are seeing every day in the news. I do believe that Bush is somewhat fucked up, but what is the alternative? And if you need proof, just take a peek at who he chose to be AG of the USA.

I rest my case.

Pistolero · Post by **Pistolero** » 2003-02-26 03:11pm

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Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-26 03:27pm

I'll give you a cookie if you can figure out why.

Ooooo, can't wait to hear this one.

Irrelevant as the description 'enemy combatant' can be handed out arbitrarily, leading to arbitrary indefinite detention. 'Enemy combatant' is simply a minor hoop that the administration uses before locking people up indefinitely.

Not really. It is a hoop that previous administrations had to go through and previous courts had upheld. However, why they didn't just yank his citizenship for signing up with a foreign army (al quida) is beyond me. All sorts of legal terms can and do seem arbitrary depending on who you ask. There are nutballs on each side of the spectrum who pick and choose which ones they want to accept and which one's are 'arbitrary'.

Irrelevant. A bill need not be passed to demonstrate the ideolgical bent (i.e. wishes) of its backers

But it has to be passed so if you wish to label the goverment "facist". If it does not pass then by defualt they are not facist by your contension that if it passes, they are facist. Your trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Nice selective quoting. Next time, stop knee jerking and try a little harder for intellectual honesty.

Considering that I quoted everything you said, then replied to it point by point, I don't see how it is intellectual dishonoest. Quite honestly, you are the knee jerk ideologue who contends that just because one is Republican, let alone American, you are a jackbooted facist. You generalize, charaterize, and make vague statments and when called on it you yawn and reply "irrelevant". Why don't you try to be more intellectual honest. If you don't like some conservative views, that's one thing, but to lump it all together and give it all a bad name is bullshit.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-26 04:21pm

Knife wrote:Ooooo, can't wait to hear this one.

Every citizen has the right to a speedy and public trial, as well as the right to post bail.

Next.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-26 04:41pm

Knife wrote:Ooooo, can't wait to hear this one.

It has to do with fish. Herrings, in fact. Specifically red herrings.

Just because a 'liberal' administration has done something doesn't get a conservative administration off the hook for doing the same thing. Indeed, the behavior of other administrations is utterly irrelevant to the matter of how a given administration conducts itself.

Not really. It is a hoop that previous administrations had to go through and previous courts had upheld.

Bzzzt. The behavior of previous administrations is irrelevant, as is the behavior of the courts. Just because there is precident for the US to be run by fascists--with the approval of the courts--does not change the fact that it is being run by facists.

But it has to be passed so if you wish to label the goverment "facist". If it does not pass then by defualt they are not facist by your contension that if it passes, they are facist. Your trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Does not follow. The behavior of the legislative branch is irrelevant to a description of the ideology and behavior of the executive branch. The fact that fascist legislation was proposed by an administration is sufficient to demonstrate that their ideology is at leas partially fascist.

Considering that I quoted everything you said,

You misquoted by breaking a single point into two issues and then attacking each issue separately. The former is carelessness at best--intellectual dishonesty at worst--and the latter is a strawman tactic.

Quite honestly, you are the knee jerk ideologue who contends that just because one is Republican, let alone American, you are a jackbooted facist. You generalize, charaterize, and make vague statments and when called on it you yawn and reply "irrelevant".

Ad hominem. I have made no such broad characterizations within this thread. I have dismissed your arguments as irrelevant because that's what they are: a spew of red herrings and strawmen that do nothing to address the points at hand.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-02-26 04:50pm

Pistolero wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.
What's a whigger?

This has a general definition of the term.

And no, it's not racist to point out that some kids go out of their way to act like an ethnic stereotype. We all know how idiotic some people are willing to be to conform.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-02-26 09:26pm

I'm sorry, but since when has he been in the closet over being facist?

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-02-26 11:13pm

Vympel wrote:
Johonebesus wrote:Closeted?
Yeah, as in coming out of the closet.

But first he would have to be in the closet to begin with. The administration hasn't really been hiding its position on personal liberty.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-27 01:12am

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Pistolero wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.
What's a whigger?
This has a general definition of the term.

And no, it's not racist to point out that some kids go out of their way to act like an ethnic stereotype. We all know how idiotic some people are willing to be to conform.

Thats new, I thoought someone had revived the English Whig political party.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-27 06:21am

Johonebesus wrote:
But first he would have to be in the closet to begin with. The administration hasn't really been hiding its position on personal liberty.

Oh I agree, I was just explaining the term.

Pistolero · Post by **Pistolero** » 2003-02-27 08:30am

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:
Pistolero wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Heh, I was technically the only registered voter there, I guess.

Nah, just a bunch of Whigger trash.
What's a whigger?
This has a general definition of the term.

And no, it's not racist to point out that some kids go out of their way to act like an ethnic stereotype. We all know how idiotic some people are willing to be to conform.

Tanks and jeeps dude