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adam_grif wrote:I must be the only person who thought that #2 was only marginally worse than the first, which was itself terrible in many ways. Or maybe I'm just bad at distinguishing shades of abysmal from one another.
I thought the first film was probably the the greatest example of incoherent filmmaking I've ever seen. It's the cinematic version of those drunk driving videos they show you in high school with all the blood and gore, like the VD movies they show GI's with all the genital sores and rotting cocks, a friendly try at convincing them to not sample the local talent. They should throw the Transformers franchise in with the Star Wars prequels as a warning to film students.

You may know a movie like this has gone through endless rewrites during pre-production but rarely do you ever see a mishmash of three completely different takes on the movie make it to the screen without anyone trying to clean it up in the script. It's like they had different teams all told to write a script separately and then someone just grabbed every other page and stuck 'em together and Bay said "Action!"

Seriously, we have an alien transforming spaceship that flies to Earth and crashes into the Arctic and suddenly he's too cold to move? What the hell was he flying through out there, warm and gooey nacho cheese dip? If he can stay warm in deep space, he can stay warm on planet Earth. Now someone's going to say "But convection means he'll be cooling faster in an atmosphere than he would in deep space." No. Stop it. Don't try and use science to defend Transformers. Every time you do that an angel's wings get chainsawed off.

So you have Mr. nonononononononono playing the kid who befriends a giant warbot, the thread of his relative finding a robot in the arctic, the frozen bot zapping a map onto a pair of glasses for no reason, the glasses getting on ebay and everyone knowing he's got 'em, random Megan Fox inserts because Bay hasn't quite yet talked himself to putting tits on a robot to satisfy the sex appeal requirement, soldiers running around in the desert, and of course the hacker thread with the so-not-convincing-me hot computer chick babbling on about fourier transforms not saving us now. Oh, and let's not forget her minstrel sidekick who did more to in that film to set back black progress than the entire entire oeuvre of the Wayans Brothers.

The Star Wars prequels are at least awful in a consistant fashion. You can tell that every bad idea came from Lucas and at least have a kind of thematic unity of disappointing underachievement. With Michael Bay, it's like he forgot what movie he was making part way through and started making another.

Aside from the complaints about his action scenes which have aptly been described as looking like a ball of car parts was welded together, rolled down a hill, and the camera was put in tight focus on the whirling metal, I have to love his complete lack of chronological continuity. An action scene will begin in late afternoon, have a few pretty sunset shots, and then go directly to night in what has to be the space of 30 seconds.

And the sequel, he doubled down on that. Ghetto bots, check. Giant robot testicles, check. So what's he going to do for the third film? "'One thing we're getting rid of is what I call the dorky comedy,' Bay adds." Wait a second. The dorky comedy was your idea. How can you cop a superior, condescending attitude to something that was only in there because of you in the first place? That would be like the Grateful Dead frowning at all the drug imagery in their music and promising the next album won't have any. Bay could say the less movie will have less robots and not make any less sense.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to the rifftrax version of Dark of the Moon. I'm betting at some point they'll break out into song -- "In the dark of the moon megatron will find you!"
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Good timing! Guess Who is now confirmed, with toy image:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 444212.jpg
Seriously, we have an alien transforming spaceship that flies to Earth and crashes into the Arctic and suddenly he's too cold to move? What the hell was he flying through out there, warm and gooey nacho cheese dip? If he can stay warm in deep space, he can stay warm on planet Earth. Now someone's going to say "But convection means he'll be cooling faster in an atmosphere than he would in deep space." No. Stop it. Don't try and use science to defend Transformers. Every time you do that an angel's wings get chainsawed off.
This paragraph is full of near-endless amounts of fail, considering the site that we are on. Which was basically built to smash sci-fi universe together on the principle of suspension of disbelief.

There are many legit reasons not to like the Bay movies, so you don't need to use pseudo-science to make one up, and then semi-ironically admit to it.
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Good timing! Guess Who is now confirmed, with toy image:

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 444212.jpg
...okay, that's two DotM figures I'm going to have to pick up. Vehicle mode seems to have an awful lot of bad kibble, but that just looks way too cool to pass up. What's that, Leader size?
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It's a Leader-class, and all of the "blade" kibble is removable, because those are just his weapons hitching a ride. In fact, in the film his fire truck form is clean.
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Anguirus wrote: This paragraph is full of near-endless amounts of fail, considering the site that we are on. Which was basically built to smash sci-fi universe together on the principle of suspension of disbelief.

There are many legit reasons not to like the Bay movies, so you don't need to use pseudo-science to make one up, and then semi-ironically admit to it.
What do you mean, pseudo-science? You're telling me that a robot capable of using nanowank or whatever to completely reshape itself and fire flaming jet exhaust out its ass is incapable of warming itself when on a planet?
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Leader-class Megatron looks fucking boss.

EDIT: lol continuity, I thought Optimus was the last Prime? What, The Fallen couldn't tell that Sentinel Prime wasn't dead?
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Anguirus wrote: This paragraph is full of near-endless amounts of fail, considering the site that we are on. Which was basically built to smash sci-fi universe together on the principle of suspension of disbelief.

There are many legit reasons not to like the Bay movies, so you don't need to use pseudo-science to make one up, and then semi-ironically admit to it.
What do you mean, pseudo-science? You're telling me that a robot capable of using nanowank or whatever to completely reshape itself and fire flaming jet exhaust out its ass is incapable of warming itself when on a planet?
Yes, because energy is not unlimited, you tool.

Also, you moved the goalposts. First you're drawing a false equivalence between outer space and the Arctic, now you're saying that they ought to have better internal heaters or something. It's not as if being able to mechanically transform between two different configurations could possibly impose design constraints.

Again, you want to say Transformers are impossible? I'll laugh and agree. You don't actually have to make yourself sound stupid coming up with another reason which is actually total BS.
Leader-class Megatron looks fucking boss.

EDIT: lol continuity, I thought Optimus was the last Prime? What, The Fallen couldn't tell that Sentinel Prime wasn't dead?
1. That toy is Voyager class.
2. Actually, going by Marvel, it's not at all uncommon for a Transformer to be dead, but still capable of being repaired. At any rate, if Sentinel isn't emitting any energy, and the secret NASA information was stashed in a place that Frenzy couldn't hack into in movie 1, the Decepticons logically had no way of knowing about him.

Don't call it a continuity flub till you've seen the movie, cause one line of dialogue nips that in the bud. Or, you could even get away with none, given the facts I just laid out. (Although Shia is a pretty good "voice of the audience," so I expect him at least to lampshade it.)
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Seriously, we have an alien transforming spaceship that flies to Earth and crashes into the Arctic and suddenly he's too cold to move? What the hell was he flying through out there, warm and gooey nacho cheese dip? If he can stay warm in deep space, he can stay warm on planet Earth. Now someone's going to say "But convection means he'll be cooling faster in an atmosphere than he would in deep space." No. Stop it. Don't try and use science to defend Transformers. Every time you do that an angel's wings get chainsawed off.
Fuck angels, as much as I hate both Transformers live action films (never seen the animated one so I can't comment), in deep space things lose temperature very slowly. Assuming they had any metabolic functions at all their problem would be keeping cool enough, not keeping warm enough. You can't just make invalid points and then say that they stand because the movie is fucking stupid (even though it is) :P

I hated it because there was very little that was good in it, except the workmanship of the CGI crew. The transformers were impressive to look at even if you didn't dig the art style. I recall super fast paced shakey cam shots making it near unwatchable in #2 but I don't recall that happening in #1 (it's been a while since I saw it). Of course, the comic relief is universally terrible in both films, especially the bits with the secret agent guy. The twins in Revenge go without saying.

I left the theater after watching the first film so confused because the people I saw it with loved it. That was when I stopped trusting their taste in films.
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Anguirus wrote: 1. That toy is Voyager class.
Damn you, different scale and lighting!

What about this one?

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I have no idea why the default behavior for people on this site is to go for personal insults the first time you disagree with someone.

Look, the robot can transform into any possible machine. It isn't like the original transformers which only had robot and vehicle modes. He could turn into a boat if he fell in water and didn't feel like sinking. If he has internal power still, he could turn into something with a little more insulation.

So why don't the autobots transform into more useful vehicle modes if they can transform into anything they want?
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Do we actually know anything about how easily they can transform? For all we know it takes any amount of time for them to be able to get themselves ready to reconfigure themselves. I mean, the only times we've seen them take on a new form is when they first arrived and were chilling in space as comets. Maybe an inherent part of the comet-mode is being immediately able to become a truck as soon as they see one. And Megatron was some fucked up cybertronian spaceplane already.

You could come up with any sort of stupid rationalization as to why he didn't transform, it doesn't actually change anything about the movie.
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jollyreaper wrote:I have no idea why the default behavior for people on this site is to go for personal insults the first time you disagree with someone.
Because the site owner not only did not forbid it, but actively encouraged this sort of behavior. Very few posters here won't launch into a statement with "Listen you idiot...", or follow up a rebuttal with "...and you would have known that if you weren't such an incompetent cumguzzler".
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Must have missed that on the FAQ. Charming.
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http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/20 ... .html#more

Trailer for the game - good news is that they're using the WfC format, so it could be decent.

Anyway, more importantly we get a look at Shockwave again. Interestingly, its set before the game where Megatron still has his RotF format.
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ToyFair info has hit. There is NO announced Leader class Megatron. Or Shockwave.

Apparently, Leader Autobots sell better. That's what a couple of Hasbro reps had to say for themselves when the new line was unveiled. The first three Leader figures in the line are Sentinel Prime, Bumblebee, and...Ironhide.

Rumors persist that there will be a few more Leader figs than usual though, that may get us our Megatron and Shockwave. There was only one new Leader mold in 2010, and the Dark of the Moon line so far is HUGE.

Personally I'm excited for the Cyberverse assortment; it's a really cool idea.
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I'll probably see this, though I may wait for the DVD release.
Slightly off-topic, perhaps, but you know what I really wish they would sell more of?
Flying Transformers. I never liked the conehead design, and honestly, good-looking airplane Transformers have been few and far between.

Oh, well, at least I picked up a Generations Soundwave the other day...
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Anguirus wrote:ToyFair info has hit. There is NO announced Leader class Megatron. Or Shockwave.

Apparently, Leader Autobots sell better.
Fucking sucks.
That's what a couple of Hasbro reps had to say for themselves when the new line was unveiled. The first three Leader figures in the line are Sentinel Prime, Bumblebee, and...Ironhide.
Meh. I might pick up Ironhide. Otherwise, not interested. I've already got Bumblebee, and am certainly not getting another Leader-class Optimus.
Rumors persist that there will be a few more Leader figs than usual though, that may get us our Megatron and Shockwave. There was only one new Leader mold in 2010, and the Dark of the Moon line so far is HUGE.
Oh well. I have no interest in anything but Leader-class, Voyager-class toys just aren't cool enough.
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Vympel wrote:
Rumors persist that there will be a few more Leader figs than usual though, that may get us our Megatron and Shockwave. There was only one new Leader mold in 2010, and the Dark of the Moon line so far is HUGE.
Oh well. I have no interest in anything but Leader-class, Voyager-class toys just aren't cool enough.
Really? That's actually surprising; I find that I really prefer the more interestingly-designed, smaller toys - Scout- and Deluxe-class especially. They do tend to be less detailed than the large ones on the whole, but you can find some really interesting design tricks that they use to make the models work, and a good number of them are surprisingly articulated - that, and they're a hell of a lot easier to store than Leader- and Voyager-class.

ROTF Brawn, for example, has one of the more interesting transformations I've seen, and is pretty damn poseable - and they even managed to include three weapons in a fairly small Deluxe-class figure. The Generations Soundwave that I picked up this past weekend manages to be pretty much as articulated as the best of the larger-class toys, and looks great in both robot (really classic Soundwave styling) and vehicle modes; it even manages to mimic the old "tape deck" look by making the chest into storage space for his weapons.
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I must say I was really amazed at the way the toys have progressed from since I was a kid. I figured that the blocky, inarticulate robots (like the original G1 toys) was all that toy manufacturers would really be able to achieve.

The recent toys that came out, especially the big Bumblebee I've seen (not sure which particular product line) was really surprising, starting out like a proper looking Camaro, but turning into a robot that is not only well-proportioned but also fully articulated.

Add to that the fact that I'm now an adult with disposable income, the urge to splurge on this stuff is horrifyingly strong. Managed to stave it off during the toy explosions of the first two movies, but might not be able to handle the third, especially if the movie is actually good.

Jeebus, I feel consumerishly dirty.
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Why would you feel dirty? If it's okay for people to collect bits of cardstock and value some of them in the thousands of dollars because they have a picture of a specific sports player on them, and other people can collect stamps of all things, then surely it must be acceptable for a geeky child of the 80s to engage in a little nostalgia.

It's not like they're even all that terribly expensive. I picked up Leader Starscream yesterday for all of $40, and I know you can find Leaders lower than that at times. The smaller classes are from $10-$20 - hardly breaking the bank of most adults, and some of them can be even more impressive than the leaders simply for the creativity in the designs (Straxus/Skullgrin come to mind). My most expensive purchase was a $200 Masterpiece Megatron, and the next closest was a $60 Masterpiece Skywarp (more than worth it).

I just limit myself to only the molds I think are particularly awesome and/or nostalgic, rather than obsess over completeness. I'm thinking about making my next purchase a Masterpiece Black Optimus Prime (MP-04b), before the new movie toys start showing up.
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Yeah, I got bit by the collector bug HARD in 2009, now I have Transformers fucking everywhere. Somehow they went from vehicle toys that turn into robot statues into true action figures that also turn into things. For an incredibly reasonable price compared to other action figures (every part costs money and every new mold takes a ton of engineering. When you make any other small-scale action figure you slap five pieces onto a sixth).

And to Vympel, I agree with these folks, other size classes are often very cool because they are working under far fewer design constraints than the electronic-packing Leaders. Although MechTech will help alleviate that. In my experience Leaders tend to be very good or awful. I have two of the former and one of the latter.

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Haha it's not the price that's the concern, Rahvin.. it's some highly abstracted completely illogical objections to caving in to the fact that the cartoons were basically a vehicle to advertise and market the toys (although it grew into way more than that, especially the awesome feature-length movie with Unicron). The blockbuster Michael Bay movies obviously make plenty of money on their own, but it still feels like giving in.
I know this is SDnet, and I know it's an illogical sentiment, but really, don't bother examining it :D

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Angruirus wrote: For an incredibly reasonable price compared to other action figures (every part costs money and every new mold takes a ton of engineering. When you make any other small-scale action figure you slap five pieces onto a sixth).
I absolutely agree with this, and it's a rationalization to overcome an irrational resistance to buying some of these packaged pieces of awesomeness, and this is why I figure I'm finally gonna go buy a few this time when the TF3 toy line hits the shelves.

With the current crop of fully articulated transformers, I can only imagine the sort of work they put into designing each toy. Do you guys think that they use software of some sort to design the toys now, that makes it much easier (compared to the 80s) to design fully articulated robot modes?
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Cykeisme wrote:With the current crop of fully articulated transformers, I can only imagine the sort of work they put into designing each toy. Do you guys think that they use software of some sort to design the toys now, that makes it much easier (compared to the 80s) to design fully articulated robot modes?
I'd be surprised if they weren't using some sort of CAD software to design them.

And seeing the new Transformers figures makes me wish I had the disposable income to buy some, but I don't so oh well. Even if I did, I'd probably spend it on Warmachine miniatures anyway.
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ROTF Brawn, for example, has one of the more interesting transformations I've seen, and is pretty damn poseable - and they even managed to include three weapons in a fairly small Deluxe-class figure. The Generations Soundwave that I picked up this past weekend manages to be pretty much as articulated as the best of the larger-class toys, and looks great in both robot (really classic Soundwave styling) and vehicle modes; it even manages to mimic the old "tape deck" look by making the chest into storage space for his weapons.
Oh I agree re: Generations Soundwave, that's why I have all the WfC toys that have come out (fucking bullshit, bring out Starscream and Shockwave!).

But another reason I haven't bought any other Voyager-class toys is the collector bug. These are my current collector's bugs:-

* Star Wars LEGO (ridiculousy large collection, haven't built the majority of them, storage is a problem);
* Star Wars action figures (Vintage Collection) - in previous years I collected RotS action figures, and the TFU action figures that came out when the game did, as well some random three-figure "evolution" packs which I liked;
* Star Wars Sideshow Collectibles;
* Transformers Leader-class and WfC toys; and
* Wright Staff Legend of Galactic Heroes miniatures.

But yeah, I'm not ashamed of it. People collect coins, stamps, plates and all sorts of shit, what's wrong with collecting action figures or models and statues? At least if you collect toys, even if you can't sell them later in life, you can give them to your kids or your nephews etc.
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Anguirus wrote:Yeah, I got bit by the collector bug HARD in 2009, now I have Transformers fucking everywhere. Somehow they went from vehicle toys that turn into robot statues into true action figures that also turn into things. For an incredibly reasonable price compared to other action figures (every part costs money and every new mold takes a ton of engineering. When you make any other small-scale action figure you slap five pieces onto a sixth).

And to Vympel, I agree with these folks, other size classes are often very cool because they are working under far fewer design constraints than the electronic-packing Leaders. Although MechTech will help alleviate that. In my experience Leaders tend to be very good or awful. I have two of the former and one of the latter.

As long as everyone's hating on Voyager class, I submit the following:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bludgeon_%28ROTF%29
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mindwipe_%28ROTF%29
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Lugnut_%28TF_2010%29
I'll second the coolness of Mindwipe - you're essentially buying the Transformers equivalent of Dracula, with one of the most satisfying transformation sequences I've seen (and no damn fiddly, battery-reliant electronics to worry about)!

I was completely unaware that they made a non-Animated Lugnut toy. I must have that now; I've got a soft spot for blindly loyal soldiers.
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