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August 7th, 2020. Doctor Helena Rosenthal sends a distress call from the Ling Shan Islands. The Korean People's Army has sized control of the research facility, and with international tensions sparking, a United States carrier fleet is dispatched. Just before dawn on August 14th, Raptor team is airdropped onto the island to locate and evacuate the research team. They infiltrate the island without too much trouble, and eventually make it to the excavation site, where they happen upon...

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A nearby KPA terminal reveals that the Koreans managed to reach a desert planet by punching in coordinates on a tablet excavated in Egypt nearly a century ago, where they made contact with a race of humans ruled by a powerful alien identifying himself as the Egyptian Sun God, Ra. KPA special forces managed to get a nuclear bomb on board his ship and destroy it, but they have reason to believe that it was not the only alien of its kind.

Over the next few days, the USMC and USN drive the KPA off the island and a cease fire is brokered to prevent escalation of the conflict. With the Ling Shan Gate now in the position of the United States Marine Corps, what happens? The universe is as it was immediately after the events of the Stargate Film (ignore calendar differences), prior to the series, however they have a functioning DHD along with the gate, and thus can become more proactively involved earlier should they opt not to bury the gate.

Crysisverse has several neat toys, most notable the Nanosuit, which grants its wearer several battlefield advantages. In armor mode it is highly resistant to bullets and even energy weapons (alien beam weapons in the games). They are capable of withstanding extremes of temperature, especially cold. In speed mode, the wearer is able to maintain an indefinite human sprinting speed, along with intermittent bursts of super-speed. In strength mode, the user is capable of jumping ~twice their own height, killing with a single punch or sending Korean soldiers flying across the room with one arm. Finally, the suits have an active camouflage system that visually resembles the Predator's cloak. The faster the user moves, the more quickly it depletes suit energy (several minutes of cloak if they're standing still, less than 20 seconds if they are running). The suit's energy regenerates quite quickly, however.

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Other technology:

- Advanced VTOL aircraft, craft similar in size to a black-hawk helicopter can lift and fly long distances while carrying a Main Battle Tank. How they operate is unknown, it visually looks like it's thrust vectoring a pair of jet engines but I can't be sure.
- Man portable tactical fusion weapons. The "TAC Gun" launches an extremely low yield nuclear weapon, similar in power to an airstrike (perhaps a 250 lb bomb?), but contained within a tiny projectile. Each TAC Gun contains several warheads (3+ minimum, actual number unknown).
- Plasma Accumulator Cannon. Operating on an unknown principle, the PAC is capable of downing an attack helicopter or Humvee sized vehicle with a single shot. It's effective range is limited to ~50 meters, however. Its ammunition is effectively unlimited on battlefield timescales, but presumably needs to be reloaded between engagements.
- Advanced Gauss weaponry. Likewise capable of one-shotting a Korean HMMWV knockoff.
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Well, a basic assessment would be:
The same as in the OTL - Earth kicks Goa'uld ass in infantry engagements, but get's screwed unless they manage to get proper spaceship defenses.

One problem could actually be that Crysis-earth is advanced enough to attract some serious Goa'uld attention. At the very least, the Nanosuit would be highly interesting to the Goa'uld, and the rest might convince them that Earth is a serious threat to them. Given that Earth mostly survived by extreme luck and the fact that the System Lords did not bother with large-scale attacks most of the time because they did not perceive Earth as a serious threat. This might not be the case here, in which case Crysis-earth could get screwed over royally.
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The most directly comparable thing to the Nanosuit I can think of were those bracelets that gave superpowers to people but didn't work on people with symbiotes (the Tok'ra gave it to Earth iirc). The nanosuit likewise grants strength and speed, just to a far lesser degree. On the other hand, people don't become immune to the nanosuit and said suits are mass produced (there were at least 20 nanosuited US servicemen in Crysis+Warhead total, plus dozens more koreans who had them).

I think what you've said about being percieved as a greater threat is valid, although it will be interesting to see if they could leverage their 2 year head start (or was it 3?) on the Goa'uld since immediately after this they should still be in disarray after Ra has died. Their techbase naturally gives them more competence in other matters, and without Jackson there to do his petty moralizing they might make faster progress with whatever their equivalent of Area 51 is :)
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Serafina wrote:The same as in the OTL - Earth kicks Goa'uld ass in infantry engagements, but get's screwed unless they manage to get proper spaceship defenses.
Well, the fact that the nanosuit can keep you invisible for a length of time (minutes); and given that we know that you can camouflage the nanosuits -- the North Korean Nanosuits were camouflaged with some random camo pattern...means we can do all sorts of crazy things against the System Lords and their masses of Goauld.

I won't tire you with psychological games, but what about infiltrating their ships with the nanosuit teams and basically once on the ships, busting loose. Given that the nanosuits can withstand -200 below zero temperatures (not specified what scale), have an absurdly long oxygen supply and come with thrusters for zero gravity movement (in case the earth gravity field fails); you could do some serious havoc on a ship.
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adam_grif wrote:Crysisverse has several neat toys, most notable the Nanosuit, which grants its wearer several battlefield advantages.
You forgot having several minutes of breathable air at a pretty good clip of exercise -- as shown by diving/swimming to escape KPA soldiers by jumping from a huge bridge instead of getting in a gunfight with them :lol:
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I'm not sure whether you're praising it or saying something sarcastic there, but the air supply is at best 3 minutes of air judging by the in-game time it takes before your character starts needing to come up for air. Are you referring to the scene in Warhead by the way? I don't really recall anything quantifiable there.

Still puts the Nanosuit above Isaac's rig for air supply though :P
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Sorry, I was just remembering a specific moment in Crysis where you turn off a KPA beacon or what, and the KPA try catching you between two Humvee teams coming down the road from both directions.

I solved that problem by speed running to the bridge, and then jumping off it, and then swimming underwater an absurd distance while gunfire was raking the surface of the water. Was fun and showed just how the nanosuit actually could affect gameplay.
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Ah yeah I've done similar things to evade helicopters. Imo the best way to dispatch large groups is to alternate speed and cloak to make constant surprise attacks and then disappear behind cover and appear somewhere else. Made me feel fucking invincible, even playing on Delta :)

As an aside I recall the Goa'uld being interested (Apohpis specifically) in capturing some invisible insects or something. They might want nanosuits for similar reasons. Lucky they have the self-destruct thing 8)
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adam_grif wrote: Lucky they have the self-destruct thing 8)
That has to be done externally by another nanosuited person though.
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I doubt that's a limitation of the technology, more like that's just the way these ones are set up. I doubt it would take much to set the suit to autodestruct on a flatline. The only problem is if they disable it, but that's not one you can really avoid, I guess.

And hey, a sealed nanosuit means no more snakes infesting away teams, as long as they keep their masks on :)
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Goa'uld personal cloaks can last for hours to posible days, with the real limiter being the squishy organic inside the field. Also, those armbands accelerated humans to ludicrous speed. The nanosuits don't come close to how badshit crazy those things are.

As for Stargate's technological process it's already bugfuck insane, the biggest challenge for them was the Goa'uld not noticing they where teching. And once the Goa'uld did, it was the protected planet's treaty which stopped Earth from being reduced by indiscriminate orbital bombardment or magi-tech biological weapons .
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Goa'uld personal cloaks can last for hours to posible days, with the real limiter being the squishy organic inside the field.
Such things exist? What was apophis chasing the invisible aliens for then? I know the cargo ships have cloaks but I don't remember that.
Also, those armbands accelerated humans to ludicrous speed.
I already said it was not nearly as good. But also like I said, nanosuits don't "wear off", never to be useful again on that person after a few days, nor are they unusable by individuals with symbiotes. And can be mass produced at will. And provide the invisibility, binocs, good armor protection, air supply etc. It's the whole package even if individually techs exist to do specific things better.
As for Stargate's technological process it's already bugfuck insane, the biggest challenge for them was the Goa'uld not noticing they where teching. And once the Goa'uld did, it was the protected planet's treaty which stopped Earth from being reduced by indiscriminate orbital bombardment or magi-tech biological weapons .
PPT still exists in this timeline, only question is whether they will get into contact with the Asgard or not.
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Such things exist? What was apophis chasing the invisible aliens for then? I know the cargo ships have cloaks but I don't remember that.
Because not all Goa'uld had them, and those that did kept them a closey-guarded secret.
IIRC, some of them also had phase-cloaks, which basically meant that you could not hit them with normal weapons and only when they were "un-phased".
PPT still exists in this timeline, only question is whether they will get into contact with the Asgard or not.
Um...the Asgard only put Earth under the PPT later in the show (season 3, i believe). So if they don't male friendly contact with the Asgard, then they won't be protected.
Furthermore, the orginially planned version of that treaty forbade Earth from developing any more technology (at that point, Earth really was no technological threat) and they would have to relinquish their Stargate - they could only re-formulate the treaty because they managed to play the System Lords against each other.
Given that Crysis-earth is much more technologically developped, it is questionable wether the Goa'uld would have gone for that even under otherwise identitcal circumstances.

Again, i think it is very questionable that Crysis-Earth will survive long against the Goa'uld. SGC was already superior to them in ground engagements - being even better there is good, but it won't fix the main problem: The Goa'Uld could easily engage Earth from space, and they couldn't do anything about it. Crysis-earth doesn't start of any (significantly) better than the OTL. However, the OTL had the advantages of appearing primitive and of powerful allies until they were strong enough to hold their own against the Goa'uld - it is questionable whether Crysis will have those.
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Because not all Goa'uld had them, and those that did kept them a closey-guarded secret.
IIRC, some of them also had phase-cloaks, which basically meant that you could not hit them with normal weapons and only when they were "un-phased"
So it's likely that many Goa'uld would be interested to get their hands on this tech if they didn't already have cloaks then (Apophis being one of them I guess)? Once again Goa'uld being in possession of phase cloaks is not something I recall, the Reetu (unsure of spelling there) had them and the Goa'uld had special guns to kill them (or it might just have been the Tokra that had the guns, I don't really recall). The Tollanas also had phasing tech although I don't recall a cloak being used specifically.
Given that Crysis-earth is much more technologically developped, it is questionable wether the Goa'uld would have gone for that even under otherwise identitcal circumstances.
Are you not simultaneously arguing that Crysis Earth has nothing with which to threaten the Goa'uld and that Crysis Earth is too advanced for the Goa'uld to sign the modified PPT with? Deciding the arbitrary line at which the Goa'uld would or would not sign a treaty isn't really possible. Crysis Earth has some neat toys but in many respescts is the same Earth we have today, practically everything impressive is expensive prototype technology not in wide service.

I would consider never coming into contact with the Asgard to be a far more likely reason for the modified PPT to never occur since they stumbled onto them by dumb luck in the original timeline. Solutions coming down to situations that nobody would ever accept in a versus debate happened so damn often in Stargate, actually. Last minute heroics, daring commando raids and deus ex machinas abounded.

It's also possible to consider this tech boost being an advantage in other ways, such as the possibility that the Tollanas might consider sharing more than they did with 1998 Earth, once again assuming that we run into them.
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adam_grif wrote:Such things exist? What was apophis chasing the invisible aliens for then? I know the cargo ships have cloaks but I don't remember that.
They are quite rare tech, we have only seen them on Nirrti(phase cloak) and from the Ashrak(personal cloak). The Ashrak are Goa'uld assassins, they have cloaking fields. One of them managed to infiltrate the SGC to kill Jolinar over the course of a few days. The only reason they caught the Ashrak was because he broke cover so Jolinar could be ritually killed in utter agony.
It's the whole package even if individually techs exist to do specific things better.
Yeah, Stargate factions do not play with thier tech to the full capacity. It's the major reason right after the Tau'ri being some of the luckiest critters to grace TV that SG-Earth isn't under Goa'uld rule or worse.
adam_grif wrote:So it's likely that many Goa'uld would be interested to get their hands on this tech if they didn't already have cloaks then (Apophis being one of them I guess)? Once again Goa'uld being in possession of phase cloaks is not something I recall, the Reetu (unsure of spelling there) had them and the Goa'uld had special guns to kill them (or it might just have been the Tokra that had the guns, I don't really recall). The Tollanas also had phasing tech although I don't recall a cloak being used specifically.
Nirrti developed a phase-cloak based off the Reetu. The other System Lords where quite pissed about it, and it's how the SGC managed to play the Goa'uld against each other when negotiating the Protected Plan's Treaty
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adam_grif wrote:Are you not simultaneously arguing that Crysis Earth has nothing with which to threaten the Goa'uld and that Crysis Earth is too advanced for the Goa'uld to sign the modified PPT with? Deciding the arbitrary line at which the Goa'uld would or would not sign a treaty isn't really possible. Crysis Earth has some neat toys but in many respescts is the same Earth we have today, practically everything impressive is expensive prototype technology not in wide service.
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Crysis-Earth would be perceived as a potential threat to the Goa'uld - and more so, they have potentially interesting technology. However, they do not currently have anything that can fend off a Goa'uld assault.

I would consider never coming into contact with the Asgard to be a far more likely reason for the modified PPT to never occur since they stumbled onto them by dumb luck in the original timeline. Solutions coming down to situations that nobody would ever accept in a versus debate happened so damn often in Stargate, actually. Last minute heroics, daring commando raids and deus ex machinas abounded.
I have already said this:
The Goa'uld granted Earth it's Stargate and continued technological development for two reasons:
-They helped them by exposing Nirtii
-They did not perceive them as a serious threat, or even having the potential to be one.

The former could be exchanged with many other things, they don't have to replicate that exact same situation (and they could actually do that quite reasonably).
The latter is much more constant, and far less likely to be the case with a civilisation that has technology the Goa'uld do not have (such as the Nanosuit) and has some serious weapons (whether they are experimental or not). It might still be possible, but i would not count on it.
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Just getting in contact with the Asgard is no guarantee of success. Despite its presentation in Thor's Hammer as 'unanimously decreed by the Asgard High Council' the goa'uld have the ability to reject a planet's inclusion in the treaty. I see no reason to assume they'd permit such an Earth to become a protected planet.
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Yes, yes i am.
Despite appearances, there is no contradiction here.
Crysis-Earth would be perceived as a potential threat to the Goa'uld - and more so, they have potentially interesting technology. However, they do not currently have anything that can fend off a Goa'uld assault.
I agree they have interesting technology, but it's not like the Goa'uld know what the prime timeline was "supposed" to be like, techwise. They are still pathetic compared to those other protected planets that developed advanced tech to fend off the Goa'uld (but remained isolationist), as you say before, they are like the original earth, just with more advantages in the areas they already had advantages in (ground combat).

If we categorize them as threatening in terms of how much they mess up their plans, then by any reckoning they never should have let them become part of the PPT in the first place - OT Earth was blowing up Ha'Taks and killing Goa'ulds like nobodies business. They aren't honestly going to be that much higher on the threatometer judging by this. If we categorize them as a threat based on their tech-base and how much they can actually threaten the Goa'uld, then as we've already established, they aren't threatening to Goa'uld space supremacy nor do they have an amazing industrial base that can threaten even the smallest system lord.

But again, we have no way of knowing at what level of capability the Goauld will sign the treaty (Even if they take the stargate away), you're just going off intuition.


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adam_grif wrote:If we categorize them as threatening in terms of how much they mess up their plans, then by any reckoning they never should have let them become part of the PPT in the first place - OT Earth was blowing up Ha'Taks and killing Goa'ulds like nobodies business. They aren't honestly going to be that much higher on the threatometer judging by this. If we categorize them as a threat based on their tech-base and how much they can actually threaten the Goa'uld, then as we've already established, they aren't threatening to Goa'uld space supremacy nor do they have an amazing industrial base that can threaten even the smallest system lord.
Actually, when Earth got included in the PPT, the only ha'taks they had blown up were those two that Apophis used in his failed invasion of the season 1 finale.

They managed to drive Heru'ur out of Cimmeria, but that was done by summoning the Asgard, and O'Neill managed to put a knife through his hand when he showed up in Abydos adding insult to injury.

Other than that, Earth was strong-armed into delivering Apophis' corpse to Sokar under threat of planetary annihilation and managed to kill Hathor (an ancient Goa'uld without a fleet or territory, whose only resource was an army of brainwashed Jaffa). And it was the death of Hathor at human hands that finally convinced the System Lords that it was invasion time, only for the Asgard to step in and save humanity's collective ass.
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Re: Crysis vs Goa'uld

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Well, if Crysis SGC actually acts smart and sends teams of nanosuited operators around to act as special forces and recon teams instead of goofing around useless pseudo-medieval planets... then they might actually acquire useful Goa'uld technology. Like, functional, intact Ha'taks, and more, keep them instead of losing them for plot reasons.
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