Should this be removed?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-26 10:40am

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5-The Clause forbiding any but a Natural Born Citizin from becoming President
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Should this be removed from the Contisution?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-26 11:00am

yes, kick it. i want to be able to become president of the us.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-02-26 12:59pm

I dont have a problem with it being removed. I like the idea of requiring 20 years of citizenship.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-26 01:06pm

Mr Bean wrote:Should this be removed from the Constitution?

I see no reason to keep it. But I would like to hear arguements against removal before I make a decision.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-26 01:18pm

I think it should be modified...once you've lived in the US for 15 or 20 years, you should at least have a chance at being President.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-02-26 01:36pm

removed or modified, that way Awnuld can become president.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-26 01:45pm

No real reason to keep it, though like it has been said, one should have to be a citizen and live here for a certain time.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-26 01:54pm

Honestly, I don't care. I doubt anyone born outside the States could get elected anyway, except maybe Ahnuld.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-26 02:08pm

It should stay. Keeping Ahnuld FROM becoming president is just one reason.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-26 02:13pm

who's Alnold?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-26 02:21pm

jaeger115 wrote:who's Alnold?

Conan himself.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-26 02:21pm

I say yes. Get rid of it. What useful purpose does it serve?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-26 02:27pm

I have never heard anyone give a convincing reason why someone who has lived in the country for a long time and become a citizen should be barred from the presidency.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-02-26 02:31pm

I couldn't resist, Mr Arnold would make for better CNN:

President Arnold, what is you opinion on the recent UN remarks towards your Iraqi resolution?

-I'll be back.

How did you convince Mexico to back your plans?

-I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street.

How do you feel American troops will do in any upcoming war?

-If it bleeds we can kill it.

Any words for Mr Hussein?

-Hasta la vista, baby

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-02-26 02:37pm

I think it's one of those old laws that serves no purpose (did it even serve one when it was created?). Now, I think congress would come up the reason that a non-natural born citizen should not become president is because they could be working for terrorists!

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-26 03:43pm

Zoink wrote:I couldn't resist, Mr Arnold would make for better CNN:

President Arnold, what is you opinion on the recent UN remarks towards your Iraqi resolution?

-I'll be back.

How did you convince Mexico to back your plans?

-I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street.

How do you feel American troops will do in any upcoming war?

-If it bleeds we can kill it.

Any words for Mr Hussein?

-Hasta la vista, baby

Anything you'd like to say in case Bin Laden is watching?

-Who is your daddy, and what does he do?

Tragic · Post by **Tragic** » 2003-02-26 03:55pm

anyone who say it should stay may say something like its a conflict of interests.

But I say throw it out. serve no purpose.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-26 05:27pm

Wasn't it's original purpose to prevent foreign nobles from becoming President?

I say toss it.

Kintaro · Post by **Kintaro** » 2003-02-26 06:03pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Wasn't it's original purpose to prevent foreign nobles from becoming President?

I say toss it.

Hmm, thank makes sense, but it serves no purpose now.

DarthBlight · Post by **DarthBlight** » 2003-02-26 06:05pm

Wasn't it's original purpose to prevent foreign nobles from becoming President?

There's a provision about that elsewhere in the Constitution (not to mention that silly TONA that seems to have found new life among domestic terrorist dorks). The purpose of the provision, as well as having the side-benefit of keeping foreign nobles out of the Presidency, was that a foreigner would not have the same feelings and desires for the country that a natural-born citizen would. Honestly, do we want someone like Ayatollah Khamenyi or a Chinese official coming over here to run in an election just so they can say "I'm making the USA part of my mother country! You're following our rules now!" I don't know about everyone else, but becoming an Islamic or Communist state leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Naturalized citizens are not barred from all federal offices. They can be representatives in Congress, just not President.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-02-26 06:40pm

I know several people in the military with top-secret clearences that are not yet citizens. Theoretically they could become a four star general, and perhaps hold far more actually power than a senator, congressman etc in the event of an emergency.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-02-26 09:09pm

DarthBlight wrote:
Wasn't it's original purpose to prevent foreign nobles from becoming President?
There's a provision about that elsewhere in the Constitution (not to mention that silly TONA that seems to have found new life among domestic terrorist dorks). The purpose of the provision, as well as having the side-benefit of keeping foreign nobles out of the Presidency, was that a foreigner would not have the same feelings and desires for the country that a natural-born citizen would. Honestly, do we want someone like Ayatollah Khamenyi or a Chinese official coming over here to run in an election just so they can say "I'm making the USA part of my mother country! You're following our rules now!" I don't know about everyone else, but becoming an Islamic or Communist state leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Naturalized citizens are not barred from all federal offices. They can be representatives in Congress, just not President.

This is the same argument that school kids use against letting girls try out for the football team. Just because it would be theoretically possible for Ayatollah Khomeni to become president doesn't mean it would happen. They still have to win an election.
It allows qualified, popular candidates the possibility for office, but still keeps the bad guys from attaining it.

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