LAAT vs shuttles

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-19 12:40am

isolinear wrote:LAATs may have the advantage of fast manuevers, but a shuttle can relies on the onboard computer to target the LAATs and finish them off with phaser fire. While the LAATs fly circles around a shuttle, the shuttle can finish the LAAT while stationary

Excepth that shuttles don't have proper military targeting computers until the later DS9 era ones.

Thatnks for brining up an argument a Trekkie disproved earlier in this thread. Buh bye now.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-19 01:37am

isolinear wrote:LAATs may have the advantage of fast manuevers, but a shuttle can relies on the onboard computer to target the LAATs and finish them off with phaser fire. While the LAATs fly circles around a shuttle, the shuttle can finish the LAAT while stationary

Uh, the LAAT does have guns of its own, you know. They're mounted in those ball turrets. I'm not exactly sure if this is true or not, but I've heard that shooting stationary targets is dead easy, even if you yourself are in motion.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-19 02:20am

I seriously doubt a Runabout could handle a 32 MT blast, and SF captains seem to like to use torps at the lowest possible yields to, but lets just examine the LAATs fire power here.

A LAAT seems to have 20+ 100 KT missles, thats 4 MT. Its guns are rated at what? 2 KT for the balls (X4), and a much lower yield for the swivel guns (X3). Then we have the light air-to-air rockets which I think are 4 KT each (X8).

So the missles are 4MT, plus the AA rockets which are 24KT, then the four ball turrets who, if they all got one shot off on the Runabout would be 8KT.

4.0030 MTs there, but if we assume that, lets say the balls can fire once every 3 seconds, then we get 160 KTs a minute. And I'm not going to bother with those light guns, I doubt they could be of too much help.

So, if it unloads its entire aresnal at max speed with a 100% accuracy (just a number, probably not what would happen) we have 4.0160 MTs in one minute. The following minutes would only be 160KT of fire power coming out of it.

Not bad.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2002-08-19 03:37am

WTF? Those missiles looked nowhere NEAR 100kt in the movie.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-19 03:43am

I think a more appropriate theme for this would be "LAAT vs Lambda-class shuttle." NOW who would win?

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-19 03:58am

Aren't the LAAT and Lambda both from Wars?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-19 04:21am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:WTF? Those missiles looked nowhere NEAR 100kt in the movie.

Its a shaped charge, you wouldn't see much of a blast. Any the launchers can fired several different missiles.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-19 04:31am

Yeah, they're from Wars, but it makes for a better battle. lol

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-19 07:51am

Need I remind Treckys of that old 100% Accurasy problem?

Or the Movie that showed examples of missing plus Benny Hill music?

Face it, Hitting anything at range for the shuttle is extremly iffy at best and trying to hit a LAAT coming for you is even harder, They Can move quick and fast after all(They don't because Yoda and Co where watching the battle with the doors open and would have kinda got tossed out if they had starting manvoiring

Sparkticus · Post by **Sparkticus** » 2002-08-19 08:41am

Both the craft are fighting in atmosphere, right? Don't torpedoes have vastly different properties when they detonate in air? Like Msuhroom Cloud Laying Mother****** properties? We are talking thermonuclear airbursts here, getting close is all you'd need to do to pancake the things into the turf...

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 09:00am

Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
That would establish the power of the E-Ds main phaser array. It has a relative firepower to the main array of a Galor class ship. Runabouts can survive at least a single hit from a Galor.

Since when does the E-D phasers equal a Galors?
They aren't, they are somewhat stronger.

Somewhat? 1 or 2 hits from the E-D and poof! A Galor's dead in space.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 09:02am

Shadow wrote:The big hole in the side dosen't have a shield, so the only thing protecting them is body armor.

SHIELDS COVER THE WHOLE VEHICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Voyager uses Type VI torpedoes. These are rated at 200 isotons. In the TMs, 25 isotons is equal to 64 megatons.

Are you even fucking reading my fucking posts?!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 09:04am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:WTF? Those missiles looked nowhere NEAR 100kt in the movie.

Maybe because the blast is in a 2 degree cone.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 09:10am

isolinear wrote:LAATs may have the advantage of fast manuevers, but a shuttle can relies on the onboard computer to target the LAATs and finish them off with phaser fire. While the LAATs fly circles around a shuttle, the shuttle can finish the LAAT while stationary

Wow, another moronic argument. You're saying the LAAT will just fly around the stationary shuttle and not even fire at it despite it being an enemy and staying stationary in the air; an easy target.

But the Shuttle will score every hit because it has magical computers (and of course you ignore 2 guns on the LAAT are COMPUTER CONTROLLED) and its phasers will "finish off" the LAAT (of course you haven't proved they could do more then stratch the paint)

Another idiot shot down.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-19 11:51am

The missiles are NOT 100 KT, they are 1 KT.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-19 12:01pm

Ender wrote:The missiles are NOT 100 KT, they are 1 KT.

Please provide information, which contradicts that written on ATOC ICS's page 23 fold out. Since that is the only source which provides information for the LAAT, and the LAAT is the only SW aircraft with mass driver missile launchers, I'd like to know what you have.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 12:28pm

Ender wrote:The missiles are NOT 100 KT, they are 1 KT.

AOTC: ICS disagrees.

Sparkticus · Post by **Sparkticus** » 2002-08-19 01:00pm

errm, yeah...

So what do ya think? Nuclear airbursts? Nasty thermal effects and big old shockwaves happening? Whatever any of these weapons are rated at, and they're sure as hell above 100KT for the both of them, everyone's gonna be in for a bloody nasty shock when one of those puppies goes off within a few hundred meters of the target craft.

Once again, even if the shields managed to absorb the thermal and energy effects, the blast effects of either weapon will crush the f*** out of any airbourne object nearby.

With the possible exception of the Accumulator's, of course.

Note, there is a reference in an EU novel of a proton torp airbursting, i just can't remember exactly where it came from...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-19 01:15pm

AOTC:ICS states that missile payload is variable, with different types of specialized missiles available. Therefore, the 100kT missiles in the diagram are but one of many possible payloads; I doubt they were carrying them at Geonosis unless the yields are variable.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-19 01:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:AOTC:ICS states that missile payload is variable, with different types of specialized missiles available. Therefore, the 100kT missiles in the diagram are but one of many possible payloads; I doubt they were carrying them at Geonosis unless the yields are variable.

The missile feed is a belt; it likely that they don’t have the load the missiles in the order they are on the belt. Most auto loader systems are like this on tanks and artillery, and even some aircraft guns. And if they do have to load in the order there on the belt, then the ability to carry specialized types is not very useful in the first place

I'd think since they almost surely knew large starships where on the ground that some would have been carried at Geonosis.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-19 02:13pm

The Acclamator also has 8 light air-to-air rockets, ~0.1 kiloton each.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-19 05:22pm

They Can move quick and fast after all(They don't because Yoda and Co where watching the battle with the doors open and would have kinda got tossed out if they had starting manvoiring

Does artificial gravity work on a planet or near another gravity source? Because if it does, they shouldn't have problems maneuvering all over the place with people standing up.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-19 05:27pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
They Can move quick and fast after all(They don't because Yoda and Co where watching the battle with the doors open and would have kinda got tossed out if they had starting manvoiring
Does artificial gravity work on a planet or near another gravity source? Because if it does, they shouldn't have problems maneuvering all over the place with people standing up.

According to Krytos Trap, the Lusankya was capable of keeping all it's prisoners, plus guards, plus equipment on the ceiling. Granted, that was an Executor class ship, and it was in a Micheal A. Stackpole novel, but still.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-19 05:59pm

That was the one that was buried on Coruscant, right?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-19 07:02pm

Yes it was