Creating a Website!!!

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 06:47pm

Could anyone help me with this. For the past week or so I've been working on my website (using netscape composer). Now my question is what happens when I upload it to my internet provider. I mean I have links on the website that links all my pages together but it is in the form C:\website\books.html Now do they give each of my pages a webaddress? If not then will all my links be broken? I tried asking my provider but the response I got was: "Well some expertise is need to be able to make use of our service. We are unable to help you...blah blah blah." Could some one help me please? I'm really frustrated be I'm paying them 5 bucks a month for the webspace but they won't help me! Argh!

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-26 06:51pm

Netscape Composer is really a poor choice for composing webpages...but in any case, your links should look more like "links.html" than anything else since all the pages will be in the same place.

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 06:52pm

Yea composer is pretty shabby. I would use something else but the microsoft frontpage is 500 bucks and I can't find any other free ones. Is there any you can suggest?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-26 06:55pm

Notepad. Learn HTML. Makes everything much simpler and cheaper.

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 06:56pm

Oh and thanks for the tip with the link.html I didn't realize that I did not have to include the C:\ and all the rest of it

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-26 06:56pm

Frontpage is FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS?!?!

ARGH--no. Not gonna get pissed...

Let me think...freeware. Well, I code straight HTML in Notepad. Wait for a couple other webdevs to drop in and help - I think Mike uses StarOffice for his webpages.

EDIT: You're welcome.

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 06:58pm

html...I don't even know how to use it

But that's ok I guess eventually I have to learn fast. One more question though what about pictures and files. Should I keep them in the same place or have a separate folder such as C:\Website\files or something like that?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-26 07:01pm

Be like everyone else and rip it off...

You don't actually think people -pay- 500 bucks for it do you?

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 07:02pm

No but I don't trust Kazaa. My computer screwed up when I tried download some movies.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-26 07:03pm

brothersinarm wrote:html...I don't even know how to use it But that's ok I guess eventually I have to learn fast. One more question though what about pictures and files. Should I keep them in the same place or have a separate folder such as C:\Website\files or something like that?

You can if you want, though some people are more organized, some less. You could have

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<img src="image.jpg">

if you just dump it all in one place, or

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<img src="images/page1/banners/ads/image.jpg">

if you're really anal about it. Personal preference, really. For instance, I tend to keep all images in a single subdirectory, as in

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<img src="images/image.jpg">

Whatever you want to do.

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 07:05pm

Thanks Dalton. You've really helped me. For some reason this is never on any help websites

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-26 07:06pm

brothersinarm wrote:No but I don't trust Kazaa. My computer screwed up when I tried download some movies.

Don't use kazaa....unless you get a cracked version it's terrible...maybe look down the market for folks selling stuff here or there, just keep an eye out basically

Here we have a place called the barrahs or however you spell it....sells all kind of pirated software...usually they can get programs before they're released normally...

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-26 07:09pm

Hmmm....I wonder if we have anything like that here. Doubtful though. Its too cold to sell things outside!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-26 07:10pm

Coaan wrote:
brothersinarm wrote:No but I don't trust Kazaa. My computer screwed up when I tried download some movies.
Don't use kazaa....unless you get a cracked version it's terrible...maybe look down the market for folks selling stuff here or there, just keep an eye out basically

Here we have a place called the barrahs or however you spell it....sells all kind of pirated software...usually they can get programs before they're released normally...

No "h" in it....its a place where everything was involved in a "redistribution from the back of a travelling large goods conveance to the ground at reasonable speed"

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-26 07:23pm

brothersinarm wrote:Thanks Dalton. You've really helped me. For some reason this is never on any help websites

Nothing like personal help

Help sections on websites are often smokescreens so it looks like the company has "customer service".

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-02-26 08:00pm

Hey, what do you guys use to create webpages, in terms of HTML?

These days I just use notepad, but I remember a long time ago there was a nice program that you could type in your code, it was color-coded, had a preview ability, and shortcuts for things like color, font, and such.. anyone know what I'm talking about?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-26 08:04pm

For the Kazaa discussion here: Get Lite, and get either Office 2000 or Office XP. Those have frontpage with them.

Ravencrow · Post by **Ravencrow** » 2003-02-26 08:20pm

I use html pad to make my pages. It's kinda like a notepad program with html tools.

http://www.intermania.com/htmlpad/

The trouble with using Office or Frontpage to make webpages is that they insert all kinds of extra code into the page.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-26 08:35pm

Ravencrow wrote:The trouble with using Office or Frontpage to make webpages is that they insert all kinds of extra code into the page.

Yep, IE-only code. Lazy webmasters who use Word merely contribute to the ever-growing Microsoft internet monopoly.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-02-26 08:36pm

I use Dreamweaver 4, with a helping of pure html coding and a side of java scripting.

BTW, check out THIS SITE if you're looking for a good P2P service for programs.

Be warned, there are a few popups, so have Pop-Up Stopper or the equivalent ready!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-26 08:45pm

Save money and use OpenOffice to create simple HTML pages. It's completely free and it does a good job with basic formatting, which is all he's interested in if he's presently using Composer (and it generates much better HTML code than Composer does).

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-02-26 10:29pm

Brothersinarm, (WTF??) go here:

http://www.elated.com/

This has everything you need, even free whole pagekits. Also, there's a LOT of stuff you can learn there.

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-02-26 11:06pm

Learning HTML is an excellent suggestion. Once you learn it, use PadPlus, available from downloads.com. It's written by the webmanager for the campus paper(sting.spsu.edu). What's really amazing is that he wrote the web authoring program(Bartleby 2) from scratch, then used that to make the website.

brothersinarm · Post by **brothersinarm** » 2003-02-27 01:00am

I took your suggestions and tried out each one. In the end because no matter how hard I try html is beyond me I am going to stick with netscape composer...because I am and always will be a newbie at this

Well hopefully not forever but for a while until I've learned html. Thanks for all your suggestions guys. When I get my website online I shall share it with everyone and allow you all to enjoy it, like it, hate it. ::)

Drewcifer · Post by **Drewcifer** » 2003-02-27 01:01am

I usually build a basic page skeleton with Composer, clean up the code with BBEdit, and then import the page(s) into Dreamweaver or GoLive, switching back and forth between the suite editor (to keep track of things and add bells and whistles) and BBEdit (for tweaks and the occasional hand coding).

But yes! Learn html, you will thank yourself later

You're probably beyond the absolute basics, but these two links are good places to start to give yourself a good foundation on which to build.

The ABCs of Building a Web Site
webdevelopersjournal.com's Web site primer. For the absolute beginner, but good for a strong foundation of the basics.

Annabella's html help
A very basic html primer; where I learned html from. (Almost all of the pages have printable versions. I still occasionally refer to the print-outs I made years ago.)