SGU S02E11 Deliverance (SPOILERS)

[Adrian McNair]

I'm opening this one in advance for speculation of what the remaining episodes hold and discussion of the episode itself.

Here is a spoiler-heavy promo and a sneak peek.



Spoiler

The promo confirms that Chloe has summoned the Blues to Destiny's position. They must have immensely fast FTL drives if they're able to travel from the previous galaxy to this one in such a short period of time. They may well be swifter than the Asgard in that department. It looks like they'll be handing Chloe over to the Blues. I get the sinking feeling that they're going to remove the DNA they inserted and then return her. Why can't they just keep her?

[dragon]

only 20 min into it and aklready incomptence raises it's head. Young mentions what about the inert drones and the dangers they pose when the other command ship shows up. Lets see inert drones can anyone say target pratice.

[dragon]

ohh turning Chloe over to the aliens, and love when Greer knocks on the drone and everyone jumps

[Adrian McNair]

And I've finally seen it myself. Here are my thoughts:

- It seems that Rush is mellowing somewhat, though he'd probably never admit it. That scene where he pretends to praise Brody and Volker was amusing. I can't say that I was a fan of his conversation with Chloe at the end there. It's your typical cliche where the skeptical, Atheist scientist character starts to come around to the irrational superstitious viewpoint. Granted, Rush probably isn't going to become some sort of Evangelical nutbar like Caine was but it was still unnecessary.
- Ah, terrific. Chloe is now cured. So we can go back to basking in her vapid presence once more as well as having to endure her bullshit romance with Scott (He honestly has way more chemistry with Greer or Young than with her). On the plus side there was that operating room scene with the Blues. Those were some particularly nasty looking implements they had. I think I feel warm and fuzzy inside now.
- There were some nice visuals in this episode. The shot of the drones emerging from that second command ship was highly reminiscent of Raiders being launched from a Baseship in BSG. It's too bad Destiny has such pissweak weapon sound effects. Its main battery should have more of a kick to it like a turbolaser does.
- The loss of the Ursini and the Seeder Ship was a sad moment. I liked Telford's look of loss during that scene. Some nice acting from Lou Diamond Phillips there. And now the Destiny crew have lost a potential means of getting home.

Three out of five from me this week.

[Themightytom]

FUUUUUCK they blew up the Go Home Seedship? Well it wasn't an onscreen death so there's always a backdoor return via "We jumped at the last minute" cliche.

If the Blueskins can travel that fast, they could conceivably trade Destiny for a ride home.

Chloe has been reset to her default condition with +500 math skills thus completing her character reboot. Clearly she is now useful, because Rush CONFIRMED, everyone aboard is useful, just before looking right through the screen at the audience, and winking with a little "Ting" sound.

Rush and Eli are kiiiiind of bonding, with Rush attempting to usurp Col. young's position as mentor, James continues to be awesome at everything she touches.

[JME2]

Well, the Blue Man Group wants Destiny badly enough to travel into another galaxy.

And since they presumably learned that Rush unlocked the ship's purpose form Chloe's download, they're just going to keep coming.

All in all, a solid, if average mid-season premiere. I really hope Sy-Fy reverses its edict, but if not, then the franchise has had a good run.

3/5

[Sarevok]

The series is almost over and we are still referring to the primary alien antagonists as the blue men group ?

They spent hours going over Scott's love life. Surely they could spare a few minutes explaining our alien friends or at least give them a name ? It's like these alien foes only exist as a plot device to create tension in an otherwise dull voyage.

[JME2]

The series is almost over and we are still referring to the primary alien antagonists as the blue men group ? .

Eh, I prefer that nickname over Blueberries or Blueberry aliens.

[Sarevok]

Heh.

The blue men group sounds like a jazz band name to me.

[dragon]

Heh.

The blue men group sounds like a jazz band name to me.

Actually there is a blue man group

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOL8-qIY ... detailpage[/youtube]

[dragon]

bah how do you post videos

[Themightytom]

Heh.

The blue men group sounds like a jazz band name to me.

Actually there is a blue man group

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[Adrian McNair]

The series is almost over and we are still referring to the primary alien antagonists as the blue men group ?

Eh, I prefer that nickname over Blueberries or Blueberry aliens.

I was hoping that calling them the Blues would catch on with others. It's shorter than Blue Man Group and people outside of this forum will think that you're making references to Jazz. What's not to like?

[Lonestar]

And I've finally seen it myself. Here are my thoughts:

- It seems that Rush is mellowing somewhat, though he'd probably never admit it. That scene where he pretends to praise Brody and Volker was amusing. I can't say that I was a fan of his conversation with Chloe at the end there. It's your typical cliche where the skeptical, Atheist scientist character starts to come around to the irrational superstitious viewpoint. Granted, Rush probably isn't going to become some sort of Evangelical nutbar like Caine was but it was still unnecessary.

Yeah finding Gods Final Message to his Creation in the structure of the universe will do that.

[avatarxprime]

And I've finally seen it myself. Here are my thoughts:

- It seems that Rush is mellowing somewhat, though he'd probably never admit it. That scene where he pretends to praise Brody and Volker was amusing. I can't say that I was a fan of his conversation with Chloe at the end there. It's your typical cliche where the skeptical, Atheist scientist character starts to come around to the irrational superstitious viewpoint. Granted, Rush probably isn't going to become some sort of Evangelical nutbar like Caine was but it was still unnecessary.

Yeah finding Gods Final Message to his Creation in the structure of the universe will do that.

Based on that it's now even that much of a turn around for Rush. He already felt that Destiny was special and it was his to get. Now that he has seen this structure to the Universe he believes there is some inherent order that is guiding everything. It feeds perfectly into his own superiority complex, if everything has some purpose, then he truly is meant to go uncover this mystery and any pain or misery anyone has the endure in the meanwhile means nothing because it had to happen so he can do what he wants. It's simply a new way for his character to view the surrounding and work within it, it's kinda like (for those of you who read Oots) Belkar having his epiphany in the Evolve or Die strip. Or atleast, that's how I am going to view it unless the writers really decide that Rush has converted rather than adapted.

[JME2]

Ratings are in and it's not terrible, but SGU's final run opened with only 1.035 million viewers.

So I think we can agree a last minute reprieve based on ratings isn't going to happen if this remains constant for the closing 9 episodes.

[PREDATOR490]

SGU is dead and a reprieve certainly wont be coming.

Episode itself was just a demonstration in standard cliff-hanger reset button mashing. Was mildly entertaining and thats it.

Seedship gets destroyed - Gotta write out that stinky plothole of being able to dial home. The whole situation with these aliens was really fucking stupid and lame.
'Oh hey, these aliens just had their entire homeworld destroyed and now they are the last of their race. Hey, let just kill them all in an extremely pointless act without any further screentime for these folks'
Instead we can devote time to watching Chloe prattling about with Scott.

Drones - Replicators Remix Fuckknowshowmany.

Chloe - Ugh. Was hoping she would get taken away permanantly but alas... she comes back and keeps super-knowledge that will no doubt re-appear as a plot contriviance.
That said, I find it deeply silly the Blues decided to magically make her normal and return her to Destiny. Either they have done something which allows them to control Chloe / track her or I will be insanely disgusted with their stupidity.

Rush - Rush seemed rather ok in this episode. Which ironically makes things seem wierd. Rush has always come across as a selfish dick. Suddenly hes acting like he cares for others and being 'nice'. Seems Rush might be up to something or the SGU writers somehow decided to write Rush differently over the break.

[Lonestar]

Why do people keep calling the drones "lol replicators remix"? Replicators are Von Neumann machines, Drones are, well, all indications are that they are just drones.

[CaptJodan]

Why do people keep calling the drones "lol replicators remix"? Replicators are Von Neumann machines, Drones are, well, all indications are that they are just drones.

Because said people can't tell the difference. The fact that the drones displayed none of the replicator traits except the fact that they were AI controlled machines means nothing to them because they have a personal stake in distorting the truth because they hate the show so much. By their logic, the Replicators are a knockoff too. They're machines (later with human forms), and they adapt to most weapons. They eventually gain a leader, almost like a queen (Reece, Fifth, Rep Sam). They act as a collective towards a greater purpose. Oh look, they're the Borg.

I thought it was a decent enough episode. I was certain that Chloe had somehow unlocked some new system in order to save the ship. In actuality, she arguably brought more problems to them. By saving them, there was still a "price" to be paid, though that price really wasn't in this episode. I wonder if anyone checked her for a tracking device like Rush had. Either way, the knowledge the Blues gained from Chloe might allow them to track Destiny, and might even allow them to disable it. Rush was being somewhat shortsighted that it wouldn't matter what information they got from her.

Rush's "everyone's important on this ship" definitely felt like a rub against those (myself) who despise that Chloe still breathes. That now she's math girl also grates because it's still defining her character via a skill, not because she has any redeeming or interesting qualities as a person. Maybe in the next 9 episodes she'll grow into that, but I doubt it.

The episode had some nice space battle porn. Anyone else notice the "main weapon" fired something new this episode? There's apparently a gun below the main 3 that's wider in diameter that fires even larger bolts. Having said that, they way overdid the exploding consoles and hallways this episode. I'm not quite sure how anything on the bridge should still be working after all of that exploding sparking crap.

Bottom line, I've seen worse returns of half or full seasons from Stargate.

[JME2]

SGU is dead and a reprieve certainly wont be coming.

It's not coming for the SG-1/SGA films, either. The SGC and Atlantis gateroom sets have been dismantled and auctioned off.

So, as I've said many times since December, if this is the end then we have a 17 year run of 354 episodes and three movies. I'm not complaining.