Blacks Rally for Slave Reparations

[John]

They're not being punished. They're merely having wealth that is not rightfully theirs being given back to its rightful owners.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Mike 'The Commie' Wong.

[Mr. B]

Somebody should pull Farrakahns head out of his ass. He is both worthless and a waste of air. He thrives on pointless controversy and getting the crowd angry.

He is kind of like DarkStar.

[Sea Skimmer]

The only reparation I'll support is a ticket back to a West African nations of their choice. Transport will be on an Military Sealift Command RO/RO. The invasion of Iraq should empty out several of the pre positioned ones, so the ends costs will be fuel only.

If Americans been so horrible to them, then they should have no reason to want to stay.

[John]

Somebody should pull Farrakahns head out of his ass.

Actually, someone should blow Farrakahan's head OFF his ass, and on to someone a bit more sensible.

[Azeron]

Ever heard of Liberia. The only US colony in Africa, completely left to self government, but have been protected from invasion by other powers for about 130 years now. its a shit hole now. despite there the only country in africa that wasn;t invaded by the Euros.

[John]

Liberia,
Then we should occupy the whole damn country until democracy takes root.

[XPViking]

Aye Considering the fact you need at least 400+ to have a viable money making Farm(VERY hard to do, I spent a summer working one and had a grandfather who grew up on one) - Mr. Bean

Umm Mr. Bean. Are you saying you need 400+ people to have a viable money-making farm? What kind of farm is that? The wages alone make me shudder.

XPViking

[Sea Skimmer]

Aye Considering the fact you need at least 400+ to have a viable money making Farm(VERY hard to do, I spent a summer working one and had a grandfather who grew up on one) - Mr. Bean

Umm Mr. Bean. Are you saying you need 400+ people to have a viable money-making farm? What kind of farm is that? The wages alone make me shudder.

XPViking

He means you need 400 Acers of land

[XPViking]

Mr. Bean wasn't very clear but thanks for helping me out Sea Skimmer.

XPViking


edit: I just realized that there are farms where I am currently located that are considerably smaller than 400 acres and yet the farmers manage to eke out a living. Many small farms here (mostly rice paddies) are about 2-3 acres. There are also farmers here who just have a couple greenhouses full of fruit or vegetables located on their land. However, I'll have to do some more digging to find out.

[Mr Bean]

edit: I just realized that there are farms where I am currently located that are considerably smaller than 400 acres and yet the farmers manage to eke out a living. Many small farms here (mostly rice paddies) are about 2-3 acres. There are also farmers here who just have a couple greenhouses full of fruit or vegetables located on their land. However, I'll have to do some more digging to find

Notice that RICE PADDY part?

How many of those do we have in America now
I looked up more info, Genraly you need 350 Acers for Cattle, For Milking Varaity you need at least 450(They need Fresh Grass every day so you can rotate the land)

A Tomato Farm needs a minium of 210 to be viable this is assuming that you get 100% of the Harvest
Potatos are generaly smaller afaris and pretty easy to grow but thats still 160 Acers, Corn is the worst nearly 300 Acers to be viable

You have to remeber that *Ecking out a living from Hand to Mouth is not a Succesful life, When I refer to Viable I mean at least pulling a 2% Profit each year and those people have to compete aginst Mega 2K-80K Farm Coperations who can undercut thier prices for one season and easly drive them out of business

[Sea Skimmer]

edit: I just realized that there are farms where I am currently located that are considerably smaller than 400 acres and yet the farmers manage to eke out a living. Many small farms here (mostly rice paddies) are about 2-3 acres. There are also farmers here who just have a couple greenhouses full of fruit or vegetables located on their land. However, I'll have to do some more digging to find

Notice that RICE PADDY part?

How many of those do we have in America now
I looked up more info, Genraly you need 350 Acers for Cattle, For Milking Varaity you need at least 450(They need Fresh Grass every day so you can rotate the land)

A Tomato Farm needs a minium of 210 to be viable this is assuming that you get 100% of the Harvest
Potatos are generaly smaller afaris and pretty easy to grow but thats still 160 Acers, Corn is the worst nearly 300 Acers to be viable

You have to remeber that *Ecking out a living from Hand to Mouth is not a Succesful life, When I refer to Viable I mean at least pulling a 2% Profit each year and those people have to compete aginst Mega 2K-80K Farm Coperations who can undercut thier prices for one season and easly drive them out of business

And just as a note, the practical limit to a farm using animal power is just eighty Acers, and that’s using a lot more then the one promised mule.

[Mr Bean]

And just as a note, the practical limit to a farm using animal power is just eighty Acers, and that’s using a lot more then the one promised mule.

Like I said theres a Diffrence inbetween how much land will let you acutal DO it and how much you need to be PROFITABLE

You know? Make money?

[Sea Skimmer]

And just as a note, the practical limit to a farm using animal power is just eighty Acers, and that’s using a lot more then the one promised mule.

Like I said theres a Diffrence inbetween how much land will let you acutal DO it and how much you need to be PROFITABLE

You know? Make money?

I'm quite aware of this. I simply added that to add to the hopelessness of the reparations actually getting any one anywhere

[Smiling Bandit]

Back on topic here:

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Originally posted by TrailerParkJawa:
Too bad if they end up in the poor house?? For a crime they did not comit?
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They're not being punished. They're merely having wealth that is not rightfully theirs being given back to its rightful owners.

It was legal then, morality notwithstanding, and blacks suing would have no legal stanbding. Ex Post Facto laws and so forth.

Aside from which, your post gave the impression you would not mind if the courts awarded someone's whole life's savings to some random descendant of slaves. After all, that money arguably helped them make every cent they have in some way.

I know I would be devastated if some Judge took all my money away. I worked for much of it, but some was given to me (there isn't much there, but its all I've got). Suppose one of my ancestors happened to be a slaveowner. Should I be broken so than some ass can take my money, when no one in my family commited any crime?

[Azeron]

funny thing to note, many familes where I live can trace thier roots to before the civil war. Many families including my own still have the officer's sowrd our great great great grandfathers weilded to free black slaves. Does that mean I am entitled to the fruits of the sweat of the brow of descendents of slaves. My liniage to the civil war can be easily traced sincewe have kept a record of our family dating since my ancestors came to america. I can only think of what my ancestor would have said about his descendents having to pay reperatations to those he risked life and limb to free. As if my family add any part in it.

[Wicked Pilot]

funny thing to note, many familes where I live can trace thier roots to before the civil war. Many families including my own still have the officer's sowrd our great great great grandfathers weilded to free black slaves. Does that mean I am entitled to the fruits of the sweat of the brow of descendents of slaves. My liniage to the civil war can be easily traced sincewe have kept a record of our family dating since my ancestors came to america. I can only think of what my ancestor would have said about his descendents having to pay reperatations to those he risked life and limb to free. As if my family add any part in it.

You'd think 360 thousand dead Union soldiers would be reperations enough. Apparantly not for these people. They'd rather have the money. We should make them a deal, if they can bring back to life all the dead Union soldiers, we'll give them the money.

[Sea Skimmer]

funny thing to note, many familes where I live can trace thier roots to before the civil war. Many families including my own still have the officer's sowrd our great great great grandfathers weilded to free black slaves. Does that mean I am entitled to the fruits of the sweat of the brow of descendents of slaves. My liniage to the civil war can be easily traced sincewe have kept a record of our family dating since my ancestors came to america. I can only think of what my ancestor would have said about his descendents having to pay reperatations to those he risked life and limb to free. As if my family add any part in it.

You'd think 360 thousand dead Union soldiers would be reperations enough. Apparantly not for these people. They'd rather have the money. We should make them a deal, if they can bring back to life all the dead Union soldiers, we'll give them the money.

I'd prefer with award them all the money there demanding, but first subtract the costs incurred by the Union in the civil war, adjusted for inflation. Also subtracted is 25,000 dollars for each Union solider killed. By the time it's all added up, the black population would end up owing the Federal government tens of billions of dollars.

[Smiling Bandit]

And of course, the issue is complicated by trying to decide who is "black" enough. Is 1/8th enough? 1/16th?

[TrailerParkJawa]

And of course, the issue is complicated by trying to decide who is "black" enough. Is 1/8th enough? 1/16th?

What about recent immigrants from Africa? Do they get money? What if they are a recent black immigrant from Canada or Britain? Is this only for citizens?




When I was in college I worked at Circuit City. There was a guy there that was from Africa. He used to tease the American blacks, saying that he was from the motherland. He would ask them silly questions like "have you ever seen a giraffe?" When they said, no, he would say me neither.
It was interesting to note that someone from Africa does not always identify with someone from the USA just because they are both black.

I guess its the same as me not identifying with someone from Russia, just because they are "white". Sorry, that was a little off topic.

[Darth Wong]

OK, then use the money to boost the federal budget

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I consider it a great injustice that the Southern slave-owners made (in many cases, huge) wealth from the use of slave labour, and I see no ethical justification for the fact that their descendants inherit this dirty money free and clear. They can whine about it all they like, but it's still dirty money, and the idea of whole families still living comfortably off the spoils of slavery is deeply offensive. The wealth of these Southern plantations was simply obscene at its height.

Moreover, the argument that the government is arguably owed something for the Civil War is somewhat valid (although let's not kid ourselves; slavery was but one of many motivations for the war), but as I said before, they should be suing the descendants of slave-owners and not the government, so as far as my particular position on this goes, all of the comments about Union soldiers are irrelevant.

On the other hand, I compare these kinds of lawsuits and whines to the behaviour of my own visible minority, which is people of Asian descent. the first Asians to come to Canada were worked to death on the national railway, but I feel no urge to sue the government for reparations, and there are no individuals still living high off the proceeds from those actions.

The so-called "black community" spends too much fucking time whining about its victimhood and not enough time encouraging positive role models, academic achievement, and self-empowerment, which is a legitimate criticism of the lawsuit. Why don't they let it go? Why must there be a "black community" complete with leaders at all? You never see "Asian community leaders" ranting and raving on Capitol Hill, right?

And that leads to the next question: why do Asians have economic influence and respectability in modern society? Because we're lighter-skinned than blacks? Of course not. It's because Asian immigrants tend to push their kids to excel in school, and academic excellence is the springboard for success later in life. But when you look at so-called "black role models", they're invariably actors, athletes, or musicians: all shit from an academic standpoint. Black children are taught to look up to fucking retards who couldn't solve a differential equation to save their lives. Young black men who try hard in school are shunned by their peers, accused of being "Uncle Toms", and insulted for trying to "act like whitey". Fellow minorities (such as Asians) are hated by many in the black community and were viciously assaulted during the Rodney King riots. Such an environment does not and should not breed success.

So while there is a sense of justice in taking dirty money from the descendants of slave owners, I fear that this lawsuit is just a continuation of the "black community leaders"' platform of focusing black peoples' attention on finger-pointing rather than solutions. In a sense, these "leaders" are like union leaders; they have a vested interest in perpetuating hostility because without it, the "black community" will have no more use for them.

[MKSheppard]

On the other hand, I compare these kinds of lawsuits and whines to the behaviour of my own visible minority, which is people of Asian descent. the first Asians to come to Canada were worked to death on the national railway, but I feel no urge to sue the government for reparations, and there are no individuals still living high off the proceeds from those actions.

We worked EVERYONE to death building our transcontinental railroad down
here in the states.....

Working from the East to the West, we buried scores of poor Irishmen and
scores of poor former Confederate & Union soldiers next to the rails.

From the West to the East, we buried scores of Chinese laborers next to
the rails.

And when the two railroad work forces met in utah, some nasty shit happened.

For shits and giggles, the Irishmen working on the UP started to set off
explosives right next to the Chinese working for the CP without warning
them.

After this had happened a few times, the Chinese retaliated, and buried
a score of Irishmen in a landslide, when they set off THEIR OWN explosives....

After it started to get nasty, the companies on both sides came down
hard on their own labor force, telling them in no uncertain terms to
stop dicking around with HE.

[TrailerParkJawa]

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I consider it a great injustice that the Southern slave-owners made (in many cases, huge) wealth from the use of slave labour, and I see no ethical justification for the fact that their descendants inherit this dirty money free and clear. They can whine about it all they like, but it's still dirty money , and the idea of whole families still living comfortably off the spoils of slavery is deeply offensive. The wealth of these Southern plantations was simply obscene at its height.

I still disagree, but thats okay, thats what discussion is all about.

And that leads to the next question: why do Asians have economic influence and respectability in modern society? Because we're lighter-skinned than blacks? Of course not. It's because Asian immigrants tend to push their kids to excel in school, and academic excellence is the springboard for success later in life. But when you look at so-called "black role models", they're invariably actors, athletes, or musicians: all shit from an academic standpoint. Black children are taught to look up to fucking retards who couldn't solve a differential equation to save their lives. Young black men who try hard in school are shunned by their peers, accused of being "Uncle Toms", and insulted for trying to "act like whitey". Fellow minorities (such as Asians) are hated by many in the black community and were viciously assaulted during the Rodney King riots. Such an environment does not and should not breed success.

I totally agree on this part. Here in the Bay Area we have a huge Asian community. The Vietnamese and Chinese regularly beat out other students for top slots in the local schools. Why? Because regardless of educational background Asian parents hold high educational expectations of their kids.

Most of my closest friends are either sons/daughters of immigrants from HK, Canton, or Vietnam. Some of those parents never finished high school but they still value education. I dont see the same drive in the black community. Nor in the Latino community or even the white community.

I got into a big arguement in college with someone who was Mexican. He felt it was unfair that there was not a "fair representation" of Mexicans in places like UC Berkeley. What galled me was that he actually admitted that Asians placed more emphasis on education. He, like too many others, felt that your race reserves you a right to a slot.

As to blacks attacking others who seek education, Ive witnessed that too. Black kids accuse others that do well in school of being like "whitey" It never occurs to them that being educated is not being "whitey."

[RedImperator]

You might have a hard time seeking money from the descendants of plantation owners. A lot of them were wiped out in the war or immediately afterwards. The European cotton market collapsed because England and France had found other sources (primarily Egypt) during the war when very little cotton was leaving the south, the freeing of the slaves instantly cost the big owners tens of thousands of dollars (in 1860 dollars!) in assets, for which the Federal government was in no mood to compensate them for, and of course, a lot of plantations found themselves in the way of the Union Army when Sherman broke out into Georgia in 1864 (the March to the Sea, which essetially gutted the state of Georgia, is famous, of course, but what's less known is that afterward, Sherman turned north and destroyed much of South Carolina as well). In the following decades, the Southern economy was hit harder than the North in every panic and depression, and got absolutely steamrollered by the Great Depression. Most of that dirty money evaporated long ago.

On the main topic of this thread, on college campuses in America, this is an idea that is taken much more seriously than in the mainstream, mostly by the kind of twenty-five cent intellectuals who've just read Marx for the first time and think they've got the whole world figured out (don't ever complain about Christian fundamentalists until you've put up with Maoist bohos buying Rage Against the Machine albums and anarchy t-shirts with Daddy's credit card, screeching about how evil everything white, Western, and capitalist is). This fact might be more alarming if it weren't for the fact that these college students are almost always liberal arts majors and almost always majoring in the sort of liberal arts that have no conection whatsoever with the real world: primarily philosophy and literature. Thus, they don't seem to understand that any congressman outside of an extreme left or black dominated district who votes in favor of reparations is going to get spanked with an plutonium mace on Election Day, perhaps literarlly.

The white attitude is "I'm not giving those bastards a tin nickel of my money, and I don't care who their ancestors--or mine-are." The thing is, Jackson and Farrakhan and Sharpton and the rest of them know this. Farrakhan is the most honest about his intentions: he wants land, not money, for the Islamic Republic of New Africa, with himself as the Big Cheese. Failing that, the black "leaders" will settle for worsening race relations by calling all whites bigots ("institutional racism")--a self fulfilling prophecy--and threatening to take their money. Jackson, Farrakhan, Sharpton, et. al., depend on bad race relations for a living. Mike (I think he said it) is right: these guys need blacks and whites at each other's throats to justify their own existance. Reparations are the perfect issue for them: whip the blacks into useless enthusiasm over something they're bound to be disappointed with, whip the whites into a frothing rage anyway at the thought of paying money to people who don't deserve it, then sit back and "lead" your people in the face of the white debbil.

[XPViking]

Notice that RICE PADDY part?

How many of those do we have in America now
I looked up more info, Genraly you need 350 Acers for Cattle, For Milking Varaity you need at least 450(They need Fresh Grass every day so you can rotate the land)

A Tomato Farm needs a minium of 210 to be viable this is assuming that you get 100% of the Harvest
Potatos are generaly smaller afaris and pretty easy to grow but thats still 160 Acers, Corn is the worst nearly 300 Acers to be viable

You have to remeber that *Ecking out a living from Hand to Mouth is not a Succesful life, When I refer to Viable I mean at least pulling a 2% Profit each year and those people have to compete aginst Mega 2K-80K Farm Coperations who can undercut thier prices for one season and easly drive them out of business. -Mr. Bean

If we are confining our remarks to the USA, then fair enough. Just for you Mr. Bean.

http://www.ricejournal.com

XPViking

[Raptor 597]

Now people, Louis farakhan, has a point. Blacks suffered, and everyone who thinks they deserve the 100 acres and mule should get it (that is what the union promised).
one of the interesting facts is that the US federal gov owns approximately about 83% of the west (even more of alaska). Most is just workthless land that goes for about $5/acre. So the only thing we really have to pay for is a mule.

I think this is a real cheap opportunity to get rid of all the louise Farakhan welfare queens out of our cities and onto plantations where they can learn the value of hard work by being forced to make the land viable.

That wil free up lots of perfectly good housing projects to be torn down and something more useful put in its place. We might even turn a porfit from sales to developers

Sure let them have what they want, just make them keep it. Its about time people learned just how empty and vast America is even with 300 million people.

Then we can kiss this reperations thing good bye.

Well, thats real funny all that Property $.5 an Acre are Worthless Mountians too bad pople can't buld their. And it was 40 acres of farmland they promised not worthless mountains. But the Federal Promis left the Door when they shot Lincoln. My Ancestors weren't Slave Owners they were as in the Words of Senator Huey Long: "My Grandaddy was put in jail and then whent up north to fight some Rich Man's War.