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I got what I paid for bitches! Finally a space invasion movie that doesn't try to be anything else! It was like watching someone play Halo, complete with a splatter spree near the end, i was waiting for
I did like the little personal story of redemption/ learning to lead once more angle for the staff SGT. This was completely undone by his willingness to lead his exhausted soldiers back into the fight at the end of the movie, disregarding the fact btw that one of them wasn't even in his chain of command
I appreciated however is stubborn unwillingness to promise ANYBODY they'd survive except the civilians, and the way he handled being called out as treating his soldiers as expendable.
incidentally, what was with the search for paper maps, nobody had a GPS? or were they keeping that off to avoid detection. The comments at the beginning "They came right for us like they had our address" was interesting, nobody figured out they were triangulating signals? because... i mean WE can do that, my droid does it. Question though, if the aliens have RF trackers, why no motion sensors in the sewers? This kind of suggests to me that they ARE aquatic, they might have technology adapted for the water that is much better then their ground equipment.
This raises several questions for me therefore.
Why wouldn't we just have gone after them with submarines, and blown the command ship up before it even got to the beach.
Could this have been an invasion force specifically designed to clear the way for someone else entirely? if you're going to drop an invasion force onto Earth, developing technology based around water is a pretty decent way to avoid running out of fuel or Ammo. There was speculation that the aliens wanted our water because it fueled their weapons and soldiers, what if that was just the means to the end of wiping out humanity. if they REALLY wanted our water they could have consolidated their forces around Antarctica or whatever and Several Months Later when anyone bothered to check out the "harmless" meteors they are firmly entrenched.
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It probably would have been a good idea after concluding the autopsy to Pass The Information On To Command. it didn't help at the end though where they had an alien up against the wall and were shooting directly at it's vital spot and it still wouldn't drop.
I did like the little personal story of redemption/ learning to lead once more angle for the staff SGT. This was completely undone by his willingness to lead his exhausted soldiers back into the fight at the end of the movie, disregarding the fact btw that one of them wasn't even in his chain of command
I appreciated however is stubborn unwillingness to promise ANYBODY they'd survive except the civilians, and the way he handled being called out as treating his soldiers as expendable.
incidentally, what was with the search for paper maps, nobody had a GPS? or were they keeping that off to avoid detection. The comments at the beginning "They came right for us like they had our address" was interesting, nobody figured out they were triangulating signals? because... i mean WE can do that, my droid does it. Question though, if the aliens have RF trackers, why no motion sensors in the sewers? This kind of suggests to me that they ARE aquatic, they might have technology adapted for the water that is much better then their ground equipment.
This raises several questions for me therefore.
Why wouldn't we just have gone after them with submarines, and blown the command ship up before it even got to the beach.
Could this have been an invasion force specifically designed to clear the way for someone else entirely? if you're going to drop an invasion force onto Earth, developing technology based around water is a pretty decent way to avoid running out of fuel or Ammo. There was speculation that the aliens wanted our water because it fueled their weapons and soldiers, what if that was just the means to the end of wiping out humanity. if they REALLY wanted our water they could have consolidated their forces around Antarctica or whatever and Several Months Later when anyone bothered to check out the "harmless" meteors they are firmly entrenched.
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It probably would have been a good idea after concluding the autopsy to Pass The Information On To Command. it didn't help at the end though where they had an alien up against the wall and were shooting directly at it's vital spot and it still wouldn't drop.
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Probably keeping off to avoid detection. Those drones were pretty sensitive to radio transmissions at least.themightytom wrote:incidentally, what was with the search for paper maps, nobody had a GPS? or were they keeping that off to avoid detection.
The whole movie covered a span of, what, a day and a night? I doubt there were submarines conveniently in range (never mind capable of going into shallow water - most of the alien ships landed close to the coasts).themightytom wrote:Why wouldn't we just have gone after them with submarines, and blown the command ship up before it even got to the beach.
I just thought of something. What if they attacked the cities first specifically because they figured it would decrease the likelihood that humans might just decide to nuke their landing parties from early on in the invasion?
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GPS receivers are just that, receivers. They don't transmit. They have an antenna to gather the radio transmissions of whichever satellites are above, and a GPS chip to turn the information received into coordinates. It shouldn't transmit anything more than, say, a graphing calculator would. GPS devices don't need to send any information back to the satellites up above in space, and have no provisions to do so. Likewise, the satellites don't shoot beams of radio straight at particular GPS units, they just broadcast a signal everywhere.
I would just assume that the aliens blew up all the satellites.
At least it's not as silly as in the Fallout New Vegas DLC dead money, where radio sets and PA speakers somehow transmit radio interference that sets off your bomb collar if you get too close.
I would just assume that the aliens blew up all the satellites.
At least it's not as silly as in the Fallout New Vegas DLC dead money, where radio sets and PA speakers somehow transmit radio interference that sets off your bomb collar if you get too close.
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Well some civilian GPS implementations, like those on certain cellphones do communicate with ground based towers to improve accuracy.
Edit : I must admit I have not seen the film yet. Sorry if the comment came off as being ignorant of the circumstances depicted.
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While watching it there was a couple of marines sitting next to me, and afterwards we discussed it in terms of tatics. The biggest problem they had was the bridge scene. Up to that point only one person used the undermounted grendae launcher, but when they were on the bridge they were shooting the cannon thing and not using grenades.
I said maybe they were out having used them all, at that the two marines started laughing. Marines that have the undermounted grenade launcher will carry as many grenades as possible when going into combat and a vareity of them as well from flashbang, concussion, frag, ap and willy pete.
But as I pointed out to them they had to kill off the Lt in a dramatic way.
I said maybe they were out having used them all, at that the two marines started laughing. Marines that have the undermounted grenade launcher will carry as many grenades as possible when going into combat and a vareity of them as well from flashbang, concussion, frag, ap and willy pete.
But as I pointed out to them they had to kill off the Lt in a dramatic way.
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IIRC one of the marines even mentions he's carrying an extra one in the police station. I can remember at least four launched off by the time they evacuated the police station though their could have been more I'm not remembering or that were fired off screen,
Also in their defense the marines had already mentioned they were depleting their ammo stocks damn fast up to that point because of how much it actually took to put one of the alien troopers down.
Also I'm trying to remember sequence of events.. when the marines were pulling their gear had they been informed that they were going into combat yet?
I've said it before but I'll say it again.. it's nice to see an onscreen sci-fi race that hasn't forgotten what full-auto is.
Also in their defense the marines had already mentioned they were depleting their ammo stocks damn fast up to that point because of how much it actually took to put one of the alien troopers down.
Also I'm trying to remember sequence of events.. when the marines were pulling their gear had they been informed that they were going into combat yet?
I've said it before but I'll say it again.. it's nice to see an onscreen sci-fi race that hasn't forgotten what full-auto is.
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they weren't firing that fast as if you watch the bright flashes the ground while the guy is running theres no puff of dirt from non glowing rounds. Sort of like our machineguns every 10 tenth round is a tracer. Plus the rounds had a fair amount of power behind them.SylasGaunt wrote:IIRC one of the marines even mentions he's carrying an extra one in the police station. I can remember at least four launched off by the time they evacuated the police station though their could have been more I'm not remembering or that were fired off screen,
Also in their defense the marines had already mentioned they were depleting their ammo stocks damn fast up to that point because of how much it actually took to put one of the alien troopers down.
Also I'm trying to remember sequence of events.. when the marines were pulling their gear had they been informed that they were going into combat yet?
I've said it before but I'll say it again.. it's nice to see an onscreen sci-fi race that hasn't forgotten what full-auto is.
And it sucked they didn't use the bushmaster
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Even if they weren't firing 900 rpm or the like they're still using full auto (plus they've actually got a heavy machine gun equivalent that we see on the hovercraft at the end and as an emplaced weapon).
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If they needed water, there's at least 5 moons in our own solar system covered with miles-thick layers of ice that DONT have people with guns on them.
God, thats stupid.
God, thats stupid.
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Maybe water was just the tip of what they were after, but the water was speculation of a scientist on the news in the background. Look at half the scientists that get on the air say on behalf of Fox news.
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Only one blowjob joke? Those were not marines.
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Haven't seen the movie, but... in wartime you do get cases of soldiers being separated from their unit and mixed up with other units. It happens, especially when the enemy is pounding on you. So anybody who'd make a good infantry commander in wartime would probably recognize that if isolated random soldiers not part of your unit show up and link up with you, you lead them.Themightytom wrote:I did like the little personal story of redemption/ learning to lead once more angle for the staff SGT. This was completely undone by his willingness to lead his exhausted soldiers back into the fight at the end of the movie, disregarding the fact btw that one of them wasn't even in his chain of command
I'd think.
Again, didn't watch the movie, but... what if the aliens shot down the GPS satellites?incidentally, what was with the search for paper maps, nobody had a GPS? or were they keeping that off to avoid detection. The comments at the beginning "They came right for us like they had our address" was interesting, nobody figured out they were triangulating signals? because... i mean WE can do that, my droid does it. Question though, if the aliens have RF trackers, why no motion sensors in the sewers? This kind of suggests to me that they ARE aquatic, they might have technology adapted for the water that is much better then their ground equipment.
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The problem with taking an Air Force tech into the fray is that he did it after they'd made it back to a safe and secure command centre - it's no longer an expedient measure, which is fine, since it's now feasible to return said Air Force personnel to their original command or at least make efforts to do so.
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You know radio interference can explode detonators in real life; and has done so at times. Those signs asking people to turn off radios around blasting sites are not a joke. Even a radio receiver generates a detectable signal by being turned on, as do most electronics in general, to the point that you can remotely intercept the image on a computer monitor and make it display correctly. Military gear is usually TEMPEST shielded to control emissions like this, but not all TEMPEST protection is equal nor could we know what an aliens capabilities are.mdiinican wrote: At least it's not as silly as in the Fallout New Vegas DLC dead money, where radio sets and PA speakers somehow transmit radio interference that sets off your bomb collar if you get too close.
Anyway the whole GPS system could be knocked out by attacks on the ground control systems, an alien invader would not even need to destroy the satellites which would be a trivial task for them.
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Where those strange air-to-surface projectiles that airbursted in the sky, over the ocean, alien things or human artillery bomblet dispenser things as some speculated?
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Yeah, they were alien. They appeared to be drop pods for the most apart, although at one point some coast guard ships were blown up by a falling alien thingie.
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If you want to get technical they weren't back yet.The problem with taking an Air Force tech into the fray is that he did it after they'd made it back to a safe and secure command centre - it's no longer an expedient measure, which is fine, since it's now feasible to return said Air Force personnel to their original command or at least make efforts to do so.
Also he didn't take them into the fray. He never told them to come down with him and in fact told the surviving squad leader to take charge of getting the civilians back to base.
Plus the air force tech is actually going back on mission by going down from him since her unit was down there to locate, and call in a strike on, the alien C&C unit.
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Are you talking about the circular cloud things that they produced before hitting the ocean? I think that was a side-effect of their drop pods suddenly slowing down before hitting the water.Srelex wrote:Yeah, they were alien. They appeared to be drop pods for the most apart, although at one point some coast guard ships were blown up by a falling alien thingie.
Then again, I'm not very knowledgeable on aerobraking. Would suddenly breaking in atmosphere produce one of those weird cloud haloes that their drop pods did?
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I have yet to see the film, but breaking the sound barrier makes a little cloud halo thing. I can only assume it works in reverse (when slowing down)Guardsman Bass wrote:Are you talking about the circular cloud things that they produced before hitting the ocean? I think that was a side-effect of their drop pods suddenly slowing down before hitting the water.Srelex wrote:Yeah, they were alien. They appeared to be drop pods for the most apart, although at one point some coast guard ships were blown up by a falling alien thingie.
Then again, I'm not very knowledgeable on aerobraking. Would suddenly breaking in atmosphere produce one of those weird cloud haloes that their drop pods did?
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Roger Ebert:
"Battle: Los Angeles" is noisy, violent, ugly and stupid. Its manufacture is a reflection of appalling cynicism on the part of its makers, who don't even try to make it more than senseless chaos. Here's a science-fiction film that's an insult to the words "science" and "fiction," and the hyphen in between them. You want to cut it up to clean under your fingernails.
Meteors fall to Earth near the coasts of the world's major cities (and in Ireland's Dingle Bay — that meteor must have strayed off course). They contain alien troops, which march up from the beach with their weapons of war and attack mankind. No reason is given for this, although it's mentioned they may want our water. We meet the members of a Marine platoon, and its battle-scarred Staff Sgt. Nantz (Aaron Eckhart). They're helicoptered into Santa Monica and apparently defeat the aliens. Since all of Los Angeles is frequently seen in flames, it's not entirely clear how the Santa Monica action is crucial, but apparently it is.
The aliens are hilarious. Do they give Razzies for special effects? They seem to be animal/machine hybrids with automatic weapons growing from their arms, which must make it hard to change the baby. As the Marines use their combat knives to carve into the aliens, they find one layer after another of icky gelatinous pus-filled goo. Luckily, the other aliens are mostly seen in long shot, where they look like stick figures whipped up by apprentice animators.
Aaron Eckhart stars as Staff Sgt. Nantz, a 20-year veteran who has something shady in his record, which people keep referring to, although screenwriter Christopher Bertolini is too cagey to come right out and describe it. Never mind. Eckhart is perfectly cast, and let the word go forth that he makes one hell of a great-looking action hero. He is also a fine actor, but acting skills are not required from anyone in this movie.
The dialogue consists almost entirely of terse screams: Watch it! Incoming! Move! Look out! Fire! Move! The only characters I remember having four sentences in a row are the anchors on cable news. Although the platoon includes the usual buffet of ethnicities, including Latinos, Asians and a Nigerian surgeon, none of them get much more than a word or two in a row, so as characters, they're all placeholders.
You gotta see the alien battleships in this movie. They seem to have been assembled by the proverbial tornado blowing through a junkyard. They're aggressively ugly and cluttered, the product of a planet where design has not been discovered and even the Coke bottles must look like pincushions. Although these ships presumably arrived inside the meteors, one in particular exhibits uncanny versatility, by rising up from the Earth before the very eyes of the startled Marines. How, you may ask, did it tunnel for 10 or 12 blocks under Santa Monica to the battle lines at Lincoln Boulevard?
There is a lazy editing style in action movies these days that assumes nothing need make any sense visually. In a good movie, we understand where the heroes are, and where their opponents are, and why, and when they fire on each other, we understand the geometry. In a mess like this, the frame is filled with flashes and explosions and shots so brief that nothing makes sense. From time to time, there'll be a closeup of Aaron Eckhart screaming something, for example, and on either side of that shot, there will be unrelated shots of incomprehensible action.
When I think of the elegant construction of something like "Gunfight at the OK Corral," I want to rend the hair from my head and weep bitter tears of despair. Generations of filmmakers devoted their lives to perfecting techniques that a director like Jonathan Liebesman is either ignorant of, or indifferent to. Yet he is given millions of dollars to produce this assault on the attention span of a generation.
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So apparently anyone who liked this movie is stupid and not worth the company of human beings.
Er, wow.
That aside, it's hard to take Ebert seriously here for criticizing the editing when he praised it when it was done in Saving Private Ryan.
Er, wow.
That aside, it's hard to take Ebert seriously here for criticizing the editing when he praised it when it was done in Saving Private Ryan.
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I might see this, reminds me of Cloverfield crossed with Independence Day.
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Eh, in the battle scenes of Saving Private Ryan, I always had a decent idea of what the battlefield looked like, or at least where people were in relation to one another. The ever-present dust as well as the editing does make it hard to get a sense of where anything or anyone is at any given time. To compare it to comics, it felt more like those big event comics where there are thousands of people fighting, but you have no clue where individual scenes are taking place (Infinite Crisis and Secret Invasion are particularly guilty of this). The only time I really had a clue where everyone was was on the freeway, and that's because there the battlefield itself was limited and straightforwards. I understand battlefield confusion, but I think it was too much.Srelex wrote:So apparently anyone who liked this movie is stupid and not worth the company of human beings.
Er, wow.
That aside, it's hard to take Ebert seriously here for criticizing the editing when he praised it when it was done in Saving Private Ryan.
And put me in the "dislike" camp. I was not a particularly big fan of the aliens, who were supposedly kicking the ass off the entire world military but were being pushed to a standstill almost everytime they were on screen. The only time I remember them getting a huge drop on the humans is the initial ambush, and I couldn't tell how badly the humans were mauled during that; it certainly didn't look like they were hit that badly. The aliens automatic weapons didn't seem any more effective than human arms (Especially when it caused burns instead of piercing damage. Were those caused by the tracers or something? Came up a few times but I thought that was really weird...) and their support weapons seemed inefficient to say the least. Yes, they can cause a big blast, but mounting them on that quadrupedal mount should have made them easy targets for the M203s or the AT4 that they were carrying around forever. The drones are an interesting idea, but do they only track and target via radio signals? That seems to be really short-sighted, and their "battledroid" command system is a huge disadvantage. And I also wondered why we didn't see any sort of defense system outside of armor: You'd think the drones or the CiC ship would have some sort of point-defense system to defend itself just in-case.
I guess my problems with the aliens stems from another movie: District 9. I'm not going to call it hugely innovative or outstanding, but they had a cool variety of guns and technology with them, and the concept of the aliens (the stupid drones being led by caste leaders) was interesting. They are very different movies, but I was expecting this to be like District 9, but the aliens came back and they are pissed. I wanted aliens which were a bit more dominant and intimidating, and all I got was "Their weakness it the center of mass!"
The movie would have benefited from a few less cliches and focusing on only a few characters; the initial start didn't really get me interested in any characters outside of the PTS guy (which I didn't feel they did enough with), and a lot of them are briefly established only to do nothing or die off unceremoniously. When the civilian guy dies, I was thinking "Has that guy had more than 10 lines? If so, I can't remember any of them." I know he was in multiple scenes, but can't remember him saying anything of real value, or doing anything outside of picking up the rifle at the end. I feel like his death was sort of emblematic of the movie: I'm supposed to feel something, but I never do because he just comes off as a generic expendable guy.
I'm not going to be as vitriolic as Ebert, but I just didn't enjoy it. Could have been great and it's not as bad as Skyline, but ultimately it's not a particularly good movie.
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That is correct. I have not seen the movie either, but those halos on jets are a product of the transonic speed range, about mach .8-1.2. Any time an object is in that speed range you can get one. Slowing down or speed up doesn't matter specifically.barnest2 wrote: I have yet to see the film, but breaking the sound barrier makes a little cloud halo thing. I can only assume it works in reverse (when slowing down)
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Looking at Ebert's review:
It was one area, out of several where they were doing a mass evacuation in preparation for a bombing run. Technically speaking it wasn't the most crucial area, but that's the whole point of the movie - it's a Slice of Battle, kind of like how the movie Black Hawk Down focuses on the different groups of guys amidst the chaos of the overall operation.Ebert wrote: Meteors fall to Earth near the coasts of the world's major cities (and in Ireland's Dingle Bay — that meteor must have strayed off course). They contain alien troops, which march up from the beach with their weapons of war and attack mankind. No reason is given for this, although it's mentioned they may want our water. We meet the members of a Marine platoon, and its battle-scarred Staff Sgt. Nantz (Aaron Eckhart). They're helicoptered into Santa Monica and apparently defeat the aliens. Since all of Los Angeles is frequently seen in flames, it's not entirely clear how the Santa Monica action is crucial, but apparently it is.
Agree to disagree. The "humanoid" thing has been overdone, but the "cyborg" nature of them was actually kind of cool.Ebert wrote: The aliens are hilarious. Do they give Razzies for special effects? They seem to be animal/machine hybrids with automatic weapons growing from their arms, which must make it hard to change the baby. As the Marines use their combat knives to carve into the aliens, they find one layer after another of icky gelatinous pus-filled goo. Luckily, the other aliens are mostly seen in long shot, where they look like stick figures whipped up by apprentice animators.
Of course not - it's a spectacle movie. The characters and the plot exist to tie together the scenery and effects, and too complicated characters and plot can actually get in the way. See Avatar for something similar.Ebert wrote: Aaron Eckhart stars as Staff Sgt. Nantz, a 20-year veteran who has something shady in his record, which people keep referring to, although screenwriter Christopher Bertolini is too cagey to come right out and describe it. Never mind. Eckhart is perfectly cast, and let the word go forth that he makes one hell of a great-looking action hero. He is also a fine actor, but acting skills are not required from anyone in this movie.
This is a bizarre criticism. Most of the characters are marines in the middle of the battlefield. You're not going to get Shakespearean-level dialogue from that, and why you'd expect it is beyond me.Ebert wrote: The dialogue consists almost entirely of terse screams: Watch it! Incoming! Move! Look out! Fire! Move! The only characters I remember having four sentences in a row are the anchors on cable news. Although the platoon includes the usual buffet of ethnicities, including Latinos, Asians and a Nigerian surgeon, none of them get much more than a word or two in a row, so as characters, they're all placeholders.
I personally thought the alien craft looked cool, but that's me. Perhaps the command ship was assembled on site?Ebert wrote: You gotta see the alien battleships in this movie. They seem to have been assembled by the proverbial tornado blowing through a junkyard. They're aggressively ugly and cluttered, the product of a planet where design has not been discovered and even the Coke bottles must look like pincushions. Although these ships presumably arrived inside the meteors, one in particular exhibits uncanny versatility, by rising up from the Earth before the very eyes of the startled Marines. How, you may ask, did it tunnel for 10 or 12 blocks under Santa Monica to the battle lines at Lincoln Boulevard?
I think this has to do with the whole chaotic situation. Again, they're trying to escape a bloodbath, in a ravaged urban area where you might literally go around a corner and run into enemy forces (and that happens a couple of times). Of course it's going to be a chaotic mess, but even then, I don't think it was that hard to tell who was shooting at whom. Look at the battle on the highway, for example.Ebert wrote: There is a lazy editing style in action movies these days that assumes nothing need make any sense visually. In a good movie, we understand where the heroes are, and where their opponents are, and why, and when they fire on each other, we understand the geometry. In a mess like this, the frame is filled with flashes and explosions and shots so brief that nothing makes sense. From time to time, there'll be a closeup of Aaron Eckhart screaming something, for example, and on either side of that shot, there will be unrelated shots of incomprehensible action.
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-Jean-Luc Picard
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-Jean-Luc Picard
"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them."
-Margaret Atwood