Anti-aliasing Rules

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-27 01:17am

Durandal showed me how to turn on Anti-aliasing in XP...might I say that ClearType kicks so much ass it's not even funny?

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-27 01:21am

Yes, you may.

Then I, being a Mac bigot, will be forced to point out that Mac users have had anti-aliasing since 8.6 enabled by default...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-27 01:27am

Windows has had antialiasing for some time.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-27 01:30am

I'm sure, but was it enabled? I did specify enabled by default for Mac OS...

Does Linux do AA?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-27 01:31am

Why is this a good thing? It must be some Mac philosophy, having features enabled by default, sucking resources when you may not want them...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-02-27 01:35am

Enabled by default is usually bad. Many Redhat boxes are used to send spam because they had the SMTP server set-up by default.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-27 01:51am

Dalton wrote:Durandal showed me how to turn on Anti-aliasing in XP...might I say that ClearType kicks so much ass it's not even funny?

Looks horrible on the XP school computer. Fonts look blurry. I like my jagged edges.

Linux does support AA, depending on the distro. Also font hinting, whatever that means (ask durandal), but since it's patented, you often have to edit one line in the source files and recompile freetype. There's a register article somewhere. Right now I don't have either of these enabled, but really doesn't matter. As long as you are using the windows fonts from your windows installation, instead of the default X fonts, everything looks fine.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-27 01:57am

Beowulf wrote:Enabled by default is usually bad. Many Redhat boxes are used to send spam because they had the SMTP server set-up by default.

Slightly different situation...one affects a network, the other affects the system display.

Not a valid comparison, I'm afraid.

Of course, having Windows enabled by default can kill a good system..

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-02-27 02:24am

What is it? (AA) Ive heard of it before but either dont remember or never learned.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-27 02:31am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:What is it? (AA) Ive heard of it before but either dont remember or never learned.

In this context, AA is anti-aliasing is a way to fake smooth edges on a computer screen by using color gradients.

Some examples:
http://www.killersites.com/1-design/anti-alias.html
http://www.widearea.co.uk/designer/anti.html

Datana · Post by **Datana** » 2003-02-27 02:31am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:What is it? (AA) Ive heard of it before but either dont remember or never learned.

Anti-aliasing smoothens out the "jaggies" due to pixellation you sometimes see in fonts and graphics. A common method is generating the graphic at a higher resolution and resizing downwards, using a gradient to represent the original line. There are other methods for antialiasing, but the end result is the same -- a smoothed picture with "rounder" lines. It normally takes a pretty big chunk out of a graphic card's performance to do if activated for a game.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-27 02:35am

What's font hinting?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 03:00am

Dalton wrote:Durandal showed me how to turn on Anti-aliasing in XP...might I say that ClearType kicks so much ass it's not even funny?

Figured that out now? And yeah, it most certanly kicks ass.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 03:02am

Cap'n Hector wrote:Does Linux do AA?

Somewhat, but I think it kinda sucks, KDE3 supports it, but not all applications, for example Mozilla does not anti-alias, the last time I checked on that I would have had to get some obscure sourcecode version of Mozilla and compile it myself...

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-27 03:35am

what does it affect, when you turn it on in xp?

the regular fonts which, e.g., MS IE uses?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 03:40am

salm wrote:what does it affect, when you turn it on in xp?

the regular fonts which, e.g., MS IE uses?

Every font, lemme make a screenshot to illustrate the difference

EDIT:
Here it is
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/images/no_alias.gif
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/images/alias.gif

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-02-27 03:41am

Cleartype rocks for flatscreens.

Don't know if it works on crt screens but give it a try.

Enable and tweak cleartype with MSIE and this website:
Cleartype Homepage At Microsoft.com

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-27 03:47am

yes, nice, easier to read. it probably doesnt eat up too many resorces, since adobe acrobat has had this feature since.... ever and it works fine. on the other hand, this is a m$ product we´re talking about.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 03:47am

Faram wrote:Don't know if it works on crt screens but give it a try.

Works like a charm for CRT's

Enable and tweak cleartype with MSIE and this website:
Cleartype Homepage At Microsoft.com

You don't need any tweaking to enable cleartype, just goto:
Desktop-> Right klick -> Properties -> Apperance -> Effects

Then tick the box that says "Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts:" and choose Cleartype from the dropdown list.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 03:49am

salm wrote:on the other hand, this is a m$ product we´re talking about.

Which outside the realm of lame linux script-kiddie wannabe jokes means just about jack-shit.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-27 04:01am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
salm wrote:what does it affect, when you turn it on in xp?

the regular fonts which, e.g., MS IE uses?
Every font, lemme make a screenshot to illustrate the difference

EDIT:
Here it is
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/images/no_alias.gif
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/images/alias.gif

Ugh, looks smeared. Like I said before, I hate AA. Maybe it's better for LCDs though. I suppose it's because I've been staring at computer screens without AA for so long I'm used to it.

And what is font hinting?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-02-27 04:12am

His Divine Shadow wrote: Every font, lemme make a screenshot to illustrate the difference

How do you get such good discussions via email?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-27 04:13am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
salm wrote:on the other hand, this is a m$ product we´re talking about.
Which outside the realm of lame linux script-kiddie wannabe jokes means just about jack-shit.

aaah, defending microsoft?

come on. michrosoft have no clue how to handle grafics stuff which AA is part of. look at shit like MS photodraw. it eats up so many resorces that it will take like half an hour save a single 640X480 jpg if you apply about 5 or 6 filters. or it runs out of memory and cant save the pic at all and you loose all the work. besides that it´s a crapy program.

MS dont know shit about stuff like that.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 04:31am

aaah, defending microsoft?

No, stating facts, just because something is from MS doesn't mean it's shit, thats a irrational basis and the use of the spelling M$, well that just lowers my opinion of peoples maturity, someone posted a real funny pic of that once.

come on. michrosoft have no clue how to handle grafics stuff which AA is part of. look at shit like MS photodraw. it eats up so many resorces that it will take like half an hour save a single 640X480 jpg if you apply about 5 or 6 filters. or it runs out of memory and cant save the pic at all and you loose all the work. besides that it´s a crapy program.

MS dont know shit about stuff like that.

Utterly irrational logic, anti-aliasing and graphics programs are so remotely related in usage and function, not to mention actual code, that the only real reason for this shit is some personal bitter bias against MS.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 04:32am

MKSheppard wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: Every font, lemme make a screenshot to illustrate the difference
How do you get such good discussions via email?

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