Phasers vs. Vader

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-02-27 03:23am

What good is a phaser, if Vader would deflect it with bare hands?

And... can anyone give a watt-count for Force lightning?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-27 03:58am

Stas Bush wrote:What good is a phaser, if Vader would deflect it with bare hands?
And... can anyone give a watt-count for Force lightning?

Watt count? Don't you mean joule?
(Ok, kill me. I KNOW I messed up in my terms here.

)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-27 04:01am

No, watts would be the correct term, as Force Lighting is basically a continuous "beam".

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-27 04:06am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, watts would be the correct term, as Force Lighting is basically a continuous "beam".

I know I know the difference, but I always get mixed up....

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-27 04:13am

Well, as for the first item, I can't really see if that's a question or not.

Vader would not be able to block a phaser beam with his bare hand (or rather, gloved hand). It would burn his glove and injure him, and on the highest settings vapourise him.

Using the Force, however, Vader would be able to absorb the beam and deflect it.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-27 04:17am

I think thats what he meant by bare hands, using only the force to deflect it
Gotta make the distinctions though ya?

How many watts does it take to shock someone to the ground and injure them signicantly, an injury comparable to Dooku did to Obi or Palpatine did to Luke?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-27 04:20am

Don't forget the lingering nerve/bone damage, too.

Doesn't Force Lightning kind of drain a person's life force as well as directly damaging them?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-27 04:33am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Don't forget the lingering nerve/bone damage, too.

Doesn't Force Lightning kind of drain a person's life force as well as directly damaging them?

Force lightning, as I recall, isn't even acutal lightning, but rather a manisfestation of darkside energy that appears to be lightning.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-27 04:40am

Basically.

IIRC, WEG described it as a power that corrupted the Force, manifesting it in a form to directly inflict pain and harm.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-27 04:45am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Basically.

IIRC, WEG described it as a power that corrupted the Force, manifesting it in a form to directly inflict pain and harm.

Ok, I got the SW encyclopedia right here, and it says basically the same thing. Case settled.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-27 05:08am

it settles that case, still though, how much power is it? it has to be measurable somehow ya?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-02-27 05:42am

Well I think that Luke's cloth are making smoke, and even if some sort of unknown energy is used in the lightning, there is a countable amount of normal thermal energy.
Am I right?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-27 05:54am

It probably imparts thermal energey as well, Force Lightning IRC is nearly as odd as Phaser NDF

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-27 04:31pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Using the Force, however, Vader would be able to absorb the beam and deflect it.

Have we ever seen Vader block anything but Solo's shot? I'm not saying that its not possible, but I think its a bit hasty to wave your hand and just say that Vader would deflect it.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-27 04:37pm

In T@B Luke also suffered residule effect from the barrage he got at the hands of Palpy. For the next few days his bones where losing calcium or some shit that was gonna paralise him for life if he kept going as normal.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-27 05:32pm

Did he drink his milk?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-02-27 05:39pm

Captain tycho wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, watts would be the correct term, as Force Lighting is basically a continuous "beam".
I know I know the difference, but I always get mixed up....

its easy just think Joules is energy

Watts is Joules/Second is a energy rate

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-27 11:27pm

Howedar wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Using the Force, however, Vader would be able to absorb the beam and deflect it.
Have we ever seen Vader block anything but Solo's shot? I'm not saying that its not possible, but I think its a bit hasty to wave your hand and just say that Vader would deflect it.

Actually, Vader doesn't even need to use the force. Remember that phasers are practically useless against metal and guess what Vader's hand is made out of.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-27 11:39pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Howedar wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Using the Force, however, Vader would be able to absorb the beam and deflect it.
Have we ever seen Vader block anything but Solo's shot? I'm not saying that its not possible, but I think its a bit hasty to wave your hand and just say that Vader would deflect it.
Actually, Vader doesn't even need to use the force. Remember that phasers are practically useless against metal and guess what Vader's hand is made out of.

I hope your joking.........

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-27 11:40pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I hope your joking.........

About which part?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-28 01:49am

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:I hope your joking.........
About which part?

Phasers being useless against metal........

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-28 02:18am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Phasers being useless against metal........

I could be wrong, but I've never seen a reasonable display of hand phasers damaging metal. That's why all those conviently placed crates in most Trek are good cover, because they absorb the beam.

But I don't think Vaders hand would be quite thick enough to absorb the blast anyways.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-02-28 02:49am

Vader's metallic hand has nothing to do with the ability to deflect shots, IMHO. Luke's hand did not deflect the blast at Jabba's. So Vader did it with the Force. He took no damage whatsoever.
And, while phasers are no good against metal (thanks for pointing that out!), blasters ARE good

In AHN novel, which is canon, blaster shots make pieces of melted metal fly over Luke and Leia's heads.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-28 03:23am

Howedar wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Using the Force, however, Vader would be able to absorb the beam and deflect it.
Have we ever seen Vader block anything but Solo's shot? I'm not saying that its not possible, but I think its a bit hasty to wave your hand and just say that Vader would deflect it.

Well it's hardly a large leap in logic, consider:
1) A phaser beam has been described as particle beam(nadions), a blaster is a particle beam of sorts
2) Both distinctly travel at sub c velocites, at shorter ranges phasers are a bit faster

So there's not that much of a difference here.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-28 03:35am

Stas Bush wrote:Vader's metallic hand has nothing to do with the ability to deflect shots, IMHO. Luke's hand did not deflect the blast at Jabba's. So Vader did it with the Force. He took no damage whatsoever.
And, while phasers are no good against metal (thanks for pointing that out!), blasters ARE good In AHN novel, which is canon, blaster shots make pieces of melted metal fly over Luke and Leia's heads.

No need for the novel. In the movie we see a great many fist sized chunks blown out of the Death Star walls. Not to mention equipment being destroyed and one Stormtrooper killed by a hit on the wall behind his neck.

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