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Re: Obama personnally supports treatment of Manning

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A new article on it by Der Spiegel, which serves as a good summary.

And here us what a psychology expert had to say:
Cruel and unusual treatment of WikiLeaks suspect

Editor's note: Terry A. Kupers is institute professor at The Wright Institute and author of "Prison Madness: The Mental Health Crisis Behind Bars and What We Must Do About It." He testifies as a psychiatric expert in court about prison conditions and the quality of correctional mental health care. He received the exemplary psychiatrist award from the National Alliance on Mental Illness in 2005, and the William Rossiter Award from the Forensic Mental Health Association of California in 2009.

(CNN)-- Army Pfc. Bradley Manning has been imprisoned in the Quantico Marine Corps Brig for nine months, suspected of giving highly classified State Department cables to the website WikiLeaks. He has not been tried, yet is kept in solitary confinement in a windowless room 23 hours a day and forced to sleep naked without pillows or blankets.

Human rights groups have condemned his treatment, and even State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley spoke out against it. Crowley has resigned, allegedly under pressure from the Obama administration. Defense officials say Manning is stripped of his clothes nightly to prevent him from committing suicide, yet his civilian lawyer says his client is at no risk.

The problem with the argument that Manning is being kept in long-term solitary confinement to prevent his suicide is that long-term solitary confinement causes suicide.

One of the most stunning statistics in criminology today is that, on average, 50% of U.S. prisoner suicides happen among the 2% to 8% of prisoners who are in solitary confinement, also known as segregation. When I tour prisons as I prepare for expert testimony in class-action lawsuits, many prisoners living in isolation tell me they despair of ever being released from solitary.

And there is an objective basis to their fear: One of the many psychiatric symptoms known to be bred in solitary is mounting anger, plus the dread that losing control of that anger will lead to more disciplinary infractions and a longer stint in segregation. So the prisoner despairs of ever gaining more freedom, and that despair leads to suicide.

Suicide is merely the tip of the iceberg. Solitary confinement breaks prisoners down and practically guarantees they will never function normally in society again. This explains a troubling rise in the recidivism rate since the advent in the late 1980s of wholesale solitary confinement in "supermaximum"-security prisons.

Long-term solitary confinement causes many psychiatric symptoms, including mental breakdowns. Even the relatively stable prisoner in segregation experiences mounting anxiety, paranoia, an inability to concentrate, somatic symptoms, despair and anger. But the prisoner prone to emotional disorder falls apart.

In a 2009 study by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 56% of state prisoners reported symptoms consistent with serious mental illness requiring treatment. And we know from much research in criminology that prisoners with serious mental illness are selectively consigned to solitary confinement -- after all, as a group they are not known for their ability to conform to the rules, and in prison, rules pile upon rules.

The other major stressor leading to suicide or mental breakdown in solitary confinement is the near total lack of contact with loved ones and caring others. Manning's family is in England and cannot visit, and even his visits with his friend, David House, are infrequent or stressful because of the ever-present security precautions that make real connection difficult.

Visits in supermax prisons are typically problematic. The facilities are far from urban centers, the visitor is put through stringent searches, the visitor and prisoner are separated by an indestructible fiberglass window, and the prisoner is kept in chains, even though he is isolated in a separate and secure room. Many prisoners in these circumstances tell me they discourage visits from their family, including their children, because "I don't want them to see me in chains."

What goes on in the isolation prison unit is a secret -- unsurprising if visits are discouraged or difficult, and the media is excluded. The government's secrecy about Manning's condition is consistent with the policy on the part of departments of correction to bar the media from interviewing prisoners and to refuse to release information about the use of stun guns and riot guns in solitary confinement units. This kind of secrecy is a necessary precondition for abuse. Indeed, in my investigations of supermaximum-security units around the country, I find unspeakable abuses, including senseless deprivations of clothing and inappropriate beatings.

Manning is a pretrial detainee. The Constitution requires that innocence be assumed until guilt is proved, and that the defendant in criminal proceedings be provided with the wherewithal to participate in his legal defense.

The Eighth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution bars cruel and unusual punishment, and repeatedly, U.S. courts have found that overly harsh conditions of isolation and the denial of mental health treatment to a needy prisoner are Eighth Amendment violations. In international circles, for example, according to the U.N. Convention Against Torture (the United States is a signatory), the same violations of human rights are termed torture.

Clearly, Manning's treatment violates these constitutional guarantees and international prohibitions against torture. Why? Have we permitted our government, under the cloak of security precautions, to set up a secret gulag where conditions known to cause severe psychiatric damage prevail? As a concerned psychiatrist, I strenuously object to this callousness about conditions of confinement that predictably cause such severe harm.



And a more scathing commentary Greenwald linked to:
Here is a fine opportunity to engage in a little free and painless magnanimity, to make vague noises about according decent treatment even to one's enemies, to blather a bit about America's committment to the humane treatment of all God's precious children, to give the poor kid some boxer shorts and a couple of books to read, and to throw that paltry bone to his supporters in the Democratic faction, who would immediately beatify him as better-than-Cheney, and he passed on it. He said, no, we're going to go right on torturing this person, who has not been convicted of any crime, lest he commit suicide before we are able to consign him for the rest of his life to the tortures we are already visiting upon him. Here, then, is a man who considers torturing a kid barely past his youth for an alleged crime whose principal result to-date has been an acute case of The Embarrassments, more important, more pressing, and more necessary than the public maintenance of his own image as a moderate reformer and as a conciliator. I find that interesting indeed.

What this episode reveals is that the most salient aspect of Barack Obama's character is that he is an asshole of the worst order. He does not delight in cruelty like his predecessor, but is grossly indifferent to it. The Ts have all been crossed. Proper procedures followed? Yes. Fine. Let's move on. I have been assured.
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PJ Crowley recently wrote an editorial about his comments regarding Manning.

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As a public diplomat and (until recently) spokesman of the department of state, I was responsible for explaining the national security policy of the United States to the American people and populations abroad. I am also a retired military officer who has long believed that our civilian power must balance our military power. Part of our strength comes from international recognition that the United States practises what we preach. Most of the time, we do. This strategic narrative has made us, broadly speaking, the most admired country in the world.

[...]Private Manning's family, joined by a number of human rights organisations, has questioned the extremely restrictive conditions he has experienced at the brig at Marine Corps base Quantico, Virginia. I focused on the fact that he was forced to sleep naked, which led to a circumstance where he stood naked for morning call.

Based on 30 years of government experience, if you have to explain why a guy is standing naked in the middle of a jail cell, you have a policy in need of urgent review. The Pentagon was quick to point out that no women were present when he did so, which is completely beside the point.

The issue is a loss of dignity, not modesty.

Our strategic narrative connects our policies to our interests, values and aspirations. While what we do, day in and day out, is broadly consistent with the universal principles we espouse, individual actions can become disconnected. Every once in a while, even a top-notch symphony strikes a discordant note. So it is in this instance.

The Pentagon has said that it is playing the Manning case by the book. The book tells us what actions we can take, but not always what we should do. Actions can be legal and still not smart. With the Manning case unfolding in a fishbowl-like environment, going strictly by the book is not good enough. Private Manning's overly restrictive and even petty treatment undermines what is otherwise a strong legal and ethical position.

When the United States leads by example, we are not trying to win a popularity contest. Rather, we are pursuing our long-term strategic interest. The United States cannot expect others to meet international standards if we are seen as falling short. Differences become strategic when magnified through the lens of today's relentless 24/7 global media environment.

So, when I was asked about the "elephant in the room," I said the treatment of Private Manning, while well-intentioned, was "ridiculous" and "counterproductive" and, yes, "stupid".

I stand by what I said. The United States should set the global standard for treatment of its citizens – and then exceed it. It is what the world expects of us. It is what we should expect of ourselves.
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Manning is being tortured becuase he embarrassed poor little America, right? Because he dared to report wrongdoing, which he couldn't do if there was no wrongdoing, right? Use Manning's situation to humiliate the US.

When America condemns torture, call it out for hypocrisy and mock it, pointing out that is does condone torture and that it should release everybody in Gitmo and let Manning go (and pay for their therapy which they will no doubt need). Make scenes at public appearances, ask when America will stop being so sadistic to presumed innocents. When America gets on a high horse, knock the US off it with evidence of torture.

Perhaps then America will see that it just made things worse for itself.
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Eulogy wrote:Perhaps then America will see that it just made things worse for itself.
Not likely. That sort of national intropsection only occurs once the delusions of empire fall away.
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Eulogy wrote:When America condemns torture, call it out for hypocrisy and mock it, pointing out that is does condone torture and that it should release everybody in Gitmo and let Manning go (and pay for their therapy which they will no doubt need). Make scenes at public appearances, ask when America will stop being so sadistic to presumed innocents. When America gets on a high horse, knock the US off it with evidence of torture.

Perhaps then America will see that it just made things worse for itself.
No, most Americans will pause like a deer in the headlights and then say 'No, that's different, it's not as simple as that', and then chuckle and say 'the real situation is much more complex, clearly you don't understand it'.

Iraq wasn't in a state of civil war? 'No, because it's more complex than that'.

Combatants must be treated according to the Geneva conventions? 'No, it's more complex than that'.

America tortures? 'No, it's more complex than that'.

American soldiers have committed war crimes? 'No, it's more complex than that'.

Anything the U.S. ever does or ever will do which might be wrong? 'No, it's not wrong, we're actually in the right, it's just more complex than you understand. Well, no, I can't personally explain it in detail, but all those military, political, and business leaders whom I identify with can't all be 'wrong' just like that. It would be silly and absurd. The fact that you don't understand the situation is proof of the stupidity of people on your side of the issue.'

Such a strategy would influence the rest of the world's view of America, however.
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If they are not malicious, then they are clearly the ones who are stupid and ignorant. Of course, those shitheads can't explain how the situation is more complex than "evil monster soldiers decide to kill innocent people for shits and giggles" or "Obama is throwing a tantrum because one of his underlings dared to report wrongdoing". And they deserve to be called stupid and ignorant, and have the point hammered through their thick and hollow heads.

Shit like that is part of why America's reputation has gone down the toilet. Not that American Know-Nothings would realize that, since they think the situation is too complex for them. :roll:
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