The Master and Star Trek
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The Master and Star Trek
The Master (from Doctor Who) somehow manages to slip into a parallel universe where the Federation exists and, of course, tries to gain as much control as possible. He is in his latest incarnation and in possession of a TARDIS, and being a Timelord possesses appropriate Timelordish knowledge about the Federation-era. Also, due to this being a parallel universe, the Doctor can't follow him. Furthermore, Q is either uninterested, amused or afraid of the Masters actions, and therefore stays out of this (lest this turns into a Q vs Master-thread).
I suppose the questions are:
-WWTMD (What would the Master do)
-Is there anything the Federation can do to stop him while staying in-character (no untypical "shoot first never ask questions-behavior)
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I suppose the questions are:
-WWTMD (What would the Master do)
-Is there anything the Federation can do to stop him while staying in-character (no untypical "shoot first never ask questions-behavior)
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Which era? The TNG era Federation had laughable security and internal intelligence. It would be absurdly easy for the Master to take over the Federation of that era, if he wanted to. It may have been better in the later eras, after the war with the Dominion gave the Federation some hard lessons about infiltration and espionage. TOS era? I have no idea.
What would he do? Gain as much power as possible. Probably start by taking over the Federation, in some absurdly grandiose scheme involving mass mind control or something, remaking it in his image, and then conquering or destroying every remaining race in the galaxy. Then he'd probably find a way to open a passage back to the main Doctor Who universe, using the conquered Star Trek races as a power base, to attack the Doctor, Doctor Who universe Earth, and any remaining Time Lords he can find. I'm assuming that the Master's ultimate goal is not power or even immortality but revenge at this point.
What would he do? Gain as much power as possible. Probably start by taking over the Federation, in some absurdly grandiose scheme involving mass mind control or something, remaking it in his image, and then conquering or destroying every remaining race in the galaxy. Then he'd probably find a way to open a passage back to the main Doctor Who universe, using the conquered Star Trek races as a power base, to attack the Doctor, Doctor Who universe Earth, and any remaining Time Lords he can find. I'm assuming that the Master's ultimate goal is not power or even immortality but revenge at this point.
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Wait, in his latest incarnation, meaning he needs to keep on feeding, is blond, and has the Infamous hand shooting powers?
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^That incarnation never existed. Y'Hear?
Anyway, assuming it the TNG era, I would think he'll slowly ingratiate himself. I would lay odds he does it buy "inventing" some insanely useful piece of tech, like the sonic screwdriver, and making it incredibly widespread. But it would have a component like the Archangel Network, to subtley control and influence people. Once everyone is under his spell, he'll reveal himself as a Time Lord to the Council (via TARDIS of course), and demand that he be placed in charge, as he clearly knows what's best doesn't he? (Insert agreeing nods from Federation Council under his influence).
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Anyway, assuming it the TNG era, I would think he'll slowly ingratiate himself. I would lay odds he does it buy "inventing" some insanely useful piece of tech, like the sonic screwdriver, and making it incredibly widespread. But it would have a component like the Archangel Network, to subtley control and influence people. Once everyone is under his spell, he'll reveal himself as a Time Lord to the Council (via TARDIS of course), and demand that he be placed in charge, as he clearly knows what's best doesn't he? (Insert agreeing nods from Federation Council under his influence).
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Any existing thread and/or nice reference website where I can read up on the Master's powers? He keeps coming up both in vs threads and in Dr.Who threads [moreso than the Daleks] and since I only ever saw the reloaded Dr. Who's, I'm kinda curious.
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
He'd use some mind control tech on the federation conceal, then reshape the feds into a uber aggressive race with magic level technology.
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Why bother with the Federation? He can have the Dominion. Or any of a host of more developed powers.
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All of which, to the Master, are primitive beyond description, so why NOT chose the Feds? I mean since he apparently decided to take over a civilization that looks like cavemen to him anyway, what advantage do the other cavemen have to offer?
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Well, keep in mind that even if he didn't arrive with access to a Tardis, the Feds already have the capability to use time travel if the plot demands it. The Master could find himself stranded naked on a Federation ship, use mind control or clever arguments to trick the crew, then hijack the ship and time travel to whenever he wants if the situation calls for it.
Actually... here's a totally ridiculous plan that the Master might cook up:
1. Gets randomly teleported onto DS9 with no clothes or equipment.
2. Spends a few days getting analysed by the primitive cavemen on the ship and Odo the shapeshifter. They never saw anything like him and he makes up some story about being a noble and kind philospher scientist who got sent here randomly.
3. Spend time fitting into society, maybe he hangs around Bashier because Bashier is interested in the Masters alien physiology and the computers analysis that he might have regenerative abilities (who knows, maybe this RAR involves the Master 'dying' and being forced to regenerate shortly after arriving in the Star Trek universe).
4. Master learns all he can about Federation technology and the local races in this galaxy/universe and creates some cool gizmo or medical cure to help in his plans for galactic conquest.
5. If Q shows up at this point then it becomes a matter of The Master vs Q... can the Master steal Qs power or can Q defeat the Master? The presence of Bashier a genetically modified superhuman might make things difficult for the Master (its always the doctors that cause trouble...)
6. The Master then uses his gizmo, vast knowledge, and starfleet incompetance to take over the Federation. Plucky starship captains and Westly have a bad feeling about this.
7. While Master starts transforming the Federation into his technologically advanced military superpower of doom, the Borg show up.
8. The Master easily defeats the Borg by loading a mind-control virus into their collective that makes them all fanatically loyal to him.
9. The Master then uses his combined Federation Borg fleets to start hunting down all the various superbeings in the galaxy and assimilating, killing, or harvesting them for his own uses. Eventually Q shows up and it turns into Master vs Q.
So, as far as I see it, the Master can Timelord his way around pretty much any of the factions in Star Trek except perhaps the various super aliens or Q. If the Master has access to Voyagers logs (particularly the one where the crew traveled to the Q continuum through a supernova and threatened the Q with their own weapons) then he could have enough information to defeat them. Once he defeats the Q then he should pretty much be able to do whatever he wants until the Doctor shows up.
Actually... here's a totally ridiculous plan that the Master might cook up:
1. Gets randomly teleported onto DS9 with no clothes or equipment.
2. Spends a few days getting analysed by the primitive cavemen on the ship and Odo the shapeshifter. They never saw anything like him and he makes up some story about being a noble and kind philospher scientist who got sent here randomly.
3. Spend time fitting into society, maybe he hangs around Bashier because Bashier is interested in the Masters alien physiology and the computers analysis that he might have regenerative abilities (who knows, maybe this RAR involves the Master 'dying' and being forced to regenerate shortly after arriving in the Star Trek universe).
4. Master learns all he can about Federation technology and the local races in this galaxy/universe and creates some cool gizmo or medical cure to help in his plans for galactic conquest.
5. If Q shows up at this point then it becomes a matter of The Master vs Q... can the Master steal Qs power or can Q defeat the Master? The presence of Bashier a genetically modified superhuman might make things difficult for the Master (its always the doctors that cause trouble...)
6. The Master then uses his gizmo, vast knowledge, and starfleet incompetance to take over the Federation. Plucky starship captains and Westly have a bad feeling about this.
7. While Master starts transforming the Federation into his technologically advanced military superpower of doom, the Borg show up.
8. The Master easily defeats the Borg by loading a mind-control virus into their collective that makes them all fanatically loyal to him.
9. The Master then uses his combined Federation Borg fleets to start hunting down all the various superbeings in the galaxy and assimilating, killing, or harvesting them for his own uses. Eventually Q shows up and it turns into Master vs Q.
So, as far as I see it, the Master can Timelord his way around pretty much any of the factions in Star Trek except perhaps the various super aliens or Q. If the Master has access to Voyagers logs (particularly the one where the crew traveled to the Q continuum through a supernova and threatened the Q with their own weapons) then he could have enough information to defeat them. Once he defeats the Q then he should pretty much be able to do whatever he wants until the Doctor shows up.
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
Someone didn't read the 'no Master vs. Q' clause.
I think the Federation would be as good a starting point as any other. Eventually, he'd want to take the Dominion and the Borg collective, but why not start with humanity? The Doctor always had a soft spot for us...
Given that he has a TARDIS, he can bypass the problem of intelligence and security in the post-Dominion War UFP (assuming it's the TNG-era he's starting in).
I think the Federation would be as good a starting point as any other. Eventually, he'd want to take the Dominion and the Borg collective, but why not start with humanity? The Doctor always had a soft spot for us...
Given that he has a TARDIS, he can bypass the problem of intelligence and security in the post-Dominion War UFP (assuming it's the TNG-era he's starting in).
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
The Master always had a talent for infiltrating himself into bureaucratic structures ("Colony In Space", "The Claws Of Axos", "Frontier In Space") and winding himself into Federation bureaucracy would hardly be a challenge. From there he builds his power-base for the legitimate political takeover of the government while laying the groundwork for his larger design. As for why he'd choose the Federation rather than the Dominion or any of the other powers, they'd be the easiest society for him to infiltrate and manipulate, with laughable internal security by comparison to give him any problems. Also, the Federation is largely humanoid and he'd fit in better there than with the Dominion or the other Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers.
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To not add a +1 post, I suggest we come up with technology which the Master could use to strengthen the Federation once he takes over of course. In NuWho he planned to take over other planets not by infiltrating like he did with Earth and betraying them, but by building ships to conquer other civilisations. Assuming he sticks to this MO, what tech could he give the Feds.
1. The aforementioned sonic screwdriver, or perhaps since he uses a laser screwdriver instead - multi purpose swiss army knife for engineers. A must have appliance for any engineer serious about playing with ship engines.
2. The Time Lords gave the Minyans technology which arguably is inferior to their own. The Minyans managed to come up with hand size "fission" grenades which K-9 rated at 1000 MT each. Oh, and we see these two devices blow up an asteroid. Obviously its not nuclear "fission", because I don't think even if all the mass of one of these grenades (which Tom Baker held easily in his hands) was converted into energy would generate 1000 MT (if going by those old Star Trek tech manual calculations of photon torpedoes are anything to go by).
I can imagine these being loaded into Federation torpedoes, will be a one shot kill against most AQ powers and even Borg and Dominion ships.
3. Better FTL is the way to go - most Whoverse powers in the novels use "hyperspace" travel, which is clearly extragalactic. Except the Time Lords. Anyway such technology was available to the ancient Gallifreyan empire. In any event since the TARDIS can received so call hyperspace and subspace transmissions I assume he understands the technology. Note some novels reference FTL via hyperspace and some via subspace. If we assume some internal consistency, we can say that either the terms are interchangeable or they are 2 different modes of FTL.
4. Lazerus device - come on, no more moral conundrum about knocking out the Baku, just use the Lazerus machine. Useful for the Federations brightest minds.
5. Oh I know. How about locking onto transporting enemy troops and beam them somewhere else. Like space. Its not like the Doctor didn't think of using this tactic (see Rememberance of the Daleks).
1. The aforementioned sonic screwdriver, or perhaps since he uses a laser screwdriver instead - multi purpose swiss army knife for engineers. A must have appliance for any engineer serious about playing with ship engines.
2. The Time Lords gave the Minyans technology which arguably is inferior to their own. The Minyans managed to come up with hand size "fission" grenades which K-9 rated at 1000 MT each. Oh, and we see these two devices blow up an asteroid. Obviously its not nuclear "fission", because I don't think even if all the mass of one of these grenades (which Tom Baker held easily in his hands) was converted into energy would generate 1000 MT (if going by those old Star Trek tech manual calculations of photon torpedoes are anything to go by).
I can imagine these being loaded into Federation torpedoes, will be a one shot kill against most AQ powers and even Borg and Dominion ships.
3. Better FTL is the way to go - most Whoverse powers in the novels use "hyperspace" travel, which is clearly extragalactic. Except the Time Lords. Anyway such technology was available to the ancient Gallifreyan empire. In any event since the TARDIS can received so call hyperspace and subspace transmissions I assume he understands the technology. Note some novels reference FTL via hyperspace and some via subspace. If we assume some internal consistency, we can say that either the terms are interchangeable or they are 2 different modes of FTL.
4. Lazerus device - come on, no more moral conundrum about knocking out the Baku, just use the Lazerus machine. Useful for the Federations brightest minds.
5. Oh I know. How about locking onto transporting enemy troops and beam them somewhere else. Like space. Its not like the Doctor didn't think of using this tactic (see Rememberance of the Daleks).
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
I think "The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords" shows quite well what the Master can do, given sufficient resources.
Within a year and using just the resources of Earth, he managed to build 200.000 missiles armed with "Black Hole converters". We don't get anything that gives us their firepower, but it is clear that the Master expects them to take out most or all serious resistance it at least the Milky Way Galaxy, if not the Universe.
And that's just with the resources of modern-day Earth, which was not even capable of interstellar travel at this point. If he wants to, the Master might simply take over a similar civilization (undetected thanks to the Prime Directive) and blow up all opposition in the Alpha Quadrant.
Within a year and using just the resources of Earth, he managed to build 200.000 missiles armed with "Black Hole converters". We don't get anything that gives us their firepower, but it is clear that the Master expects them to take out most or all serious resistance it at least the Milky Way Galaxy, if not the Universe.
And that's just with the resources of modern-day Earth, which was not even capable of interstellar travel at this point. If he wants to, the Master might simply take over a similar civilization (undetected thanks to the Prime Directive) and blow up all opposition in the Alpha Quadrant.
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Re: The Master and Star Trek
I can't help thinking no matter how clever The Master was in Sound of Drums with his subterfuge of Earth's politics, he still used the Toclafane as muscle when he made his bid for power. So I see him tag-teaming with another yucky alien race to take control of the Federation. I like to imagine him simultaneously using a laser screwdriver invention to rise through the Fed's ranks, along with taking control over (i.e. lobotomizing) another mother alien from TNG "Conspiracy", to subtly have minions who are making their own changes to the Federation's infrastructure on the Master's behalf. I imagine he would have solved the problems the bugs made the first time around, so they are even more secretive and harder to detect now. They look human, but have surprise super-strength when found out (classic Nu-Who plot point, there).
Of course at the end of the episode The Doctor will do away with the bugs all at once somehow....
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