Microsoft's bid to sieze control of all PC use

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-27 12:00am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Wait, it has no effect on the comps already in use, right?

Yes.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-02-27 12:02am

Just don't buy it...simple....

Sucks when you need to upgrade though

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-27 04:38am

The MPAA and the RIAA will get control out of my computer when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

It won't fly anyway. How many normal people would buy a PC that wouldn't work with Kazaa?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 05:24am

Enlightenment wrote:Everyone's favorite snake oil salesmen are at it again. Microsoft is currently working with Intel to make future PCs incapable of running applications that haven't been blessed with Microsoft's stamp of approval. The authentication process will be a component of Windows and as such, Linux will literally be a non starter.

Furthermore, since application approval is unlikely to be free, this move will kill mySQL, Apache, StarOffice, Mozilla and indeed all open source, zero-cost, and individual software development on the PC platform.

It is also worth noting that the PC security system will render unusable all legacy applications that aren't issued retroactive rights to exist. Forget about not upgrading your software when Microsoft tells you to.

http://212.58.240.130/hi/english/sc...000/2094167.stm

I suppose it's also worth noting that it'll be optional on Windows.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-02-27 07:23am

NICK!!!!!!!

Where the fuck have you been?!

Sorry about that....

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-27 07:46am

That's it, I'm buying a Mac.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 07:47am

Defiant wrote:That's it, I'm buying a Mac.

When going to extremes like that, why not settle with an Atari?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-27 02:31pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Enlightenment wrote:Everyone's favorite snake oil salesmen are at it again. Microsoft is currently working with Intel to make future PCs incapable of running applications that haven't been blessed with Microsoft's stamp of approval. The authentication process will be a component of Windows and as such, Linux will literally be a non starter.

Furthermore, since application approval is unlikely to be free, this move will kill mySQL, Apache, StarOffice, Mozilla and indeed all open source, zero-cost, and individual software development on the PC platform.

It is also worth noting that the PC security system will render unusable all legacy applications that aren't issued retroactive rights to exist. Forget about not upgrading your software when Microsoft tells you to.

http://212.58.240.130/hi/english/sc...000/2094167.stm
I suppose it's also worth noting that it'll be optional on Windows.

Well if you turn it off, you won't be able to run any proprietry software. Oh well, no matter, since I won't be running any of these anyways. Can it be turned off and on on a case by case basis?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-27 03:08pm

There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about how the record companies are running into more and more obstructions from the technology subsidiaries of their parent corps (Sony's consumer electronics division vs. Sony Music, for example). Basically, the central offices are realizing they can make more money selling CD burners and MP3 players than they can protecting their copyrights, and they're starting to undercut their own music divisions attempts to cripple consumer electronics in order to protect their own electronics sales. It's an interesting development, especially as the whole music industry is starting to swirl faster and faster as it gets closer to the drain. There's talk a lot of these companies might start spinning off their music divisions entirely if they start to become unprofitable, effectively neutering the RIAA because it won't have Westinghouse, Sony, and GE money backing it up.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-02-27 04:32pm

RedImperator wrote:There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about how the record companies are running into more and more obstructions from the technology subsidiaries of their parent corps (Sony's consumer electronics division vs. Sony Music, for example). Basically, the central offices are realizing they can make more money selling CD burners and MP3 players than they can protecting their copyrights, and they're starting to undercut their own music divisions attempts to cripple consumer electronics in order to protect their own electronics sales.

And capitalism comes through for us again

Basically media companies have to realise that they must change if they aren't going to die, but the fools cling to thier old business models...

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-02-27 04:34pm

Hallejuah. I hope the RIAA falls apart. By the way MICRO-SOFT think gates is compensating for somthing?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-27 04:34pm

Soulman wrote:
RedImperator wrote:There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago about how the record companies are running into more and more obstructions from the technology subsidiaries of their parent corps (Sony's consumer electronics division vs. Sony Music, for example). Basically, the central offices are realizing they can make more money selling CD burners and MP3 players than they can protecting their copyrights, and they're starting to undercut their own music divisions attempts to cripple consumer electronics in order to protect their own electronics sales.
And capitalism comes through for us again

Basically media companies have to realise that they must change if they aren't going to die, but the fools cling to thier old business models...

I forsee a war starting between separate divisions of Sony and other corporations as they each fight amongst themselves.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-02-27 04:39pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
I forsee a war starting between separate divisions of Sony and other corporations as they each fight amongst themselves.

The thing is that Sony's electronics division makes more than the entire music industry makes (IIRC about $40 billion vs. $5 billion), the music division doesn't stand a chance.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-02-27 04:43pm

ROFLMAO poor bastards.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-27 05:00pm

Crown wrote:NICK!!!!!!!

Where the fuck have you been?!

Sorry about that....

He's still gone. Notice the post date. This thread is basically necromancy.

But I've wondered the same thing myself. Nick was one of the people I really liked to talk with, and he hasn't posted for three months.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-02-27 05:01pm

The music industry screwed themselves. Instead of trying to use the Internet to their own advantage they ignored it and have fallen victim to their own lack of imagination. Do you think this P2P trading of songs would be half as bad if they'd been offering high quality MP3s for sale at a reasonable price (by reasonably I mean considerably less than the ripoff prices they charge for CDs)?

I have no sympathy for them. They've made their own bed and now they're going to have to lay in it. No amount of lawyers and lobbyists can hold back change forever.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-02-27 05:09pm

This just renews my belief the Trade Federation is a 'worst case' scenario of Microsoft. Think about it: They already have senate representation, though not officially. They bog things down in beauracrats until they can twist things to their advantage, and they blockade and overrun anything that might damage their ability to do as they damn well want. All that's left is for them to take over the state of Washington and raise a small state militia capable of blockading cities that use other groups.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-27 05:35pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Defiant wrote:That's it, I'm buying a Mac.
When going to extremes like that, why not settle with an Atari?

Very funny. How does this change the fact that your Microsoft overloads will soon dominate every aspect of your digital life, while I'll be free from all that bullshit on my Mac?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 05:42pm

I doubt it'll go that far, and there's always alternate OS's and CPU's

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-27 06:22pm

Yeah we can always run Sun Sparc workstations with Linux or Solaris. The cost though... ugh. Then again you might as well buy a Mac if you are using proprietry systems, since they are planning to move to 64 bit PowerPC chips.

And Transmeta is buying into this too, though their chips are for notebooks, blade servers, and embedded apps. VIA is shit, leaving only Macs

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 06:28pm

We'll just have to hope that it doesn't go that far.
If not hope, then both MS and Intel and anyone supporting palladium ought to be brought infront of the DoD(They are much better at convincing people)

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-27 06:40pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:We'll just have to hope that it doesn't go that far.
If not hope, then both MS and Intel and anyone supporting palladium ought to be brought infront of the DoD(They are much better at convincing people)

Microsoft already has been in front of the DoJ (I assume that's who you meant). We all know how well that went after Shrubby's administration took power and effectively neutered the sentencing.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-27 06:44pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:I doubt it'll go that far, and there's always alternate OS's and CPU's

Yes, but let's be realistic, here. While the Mac doesn't support nearly as much software as Windows, it supports a fuckload more commercial stuff than Linux does. Your average computer user is much more likely to think of the Mac as the alternative to Windows, rather than Linux.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-27 06:44pm

Durandal wrote:Microsoft already has been in front of the DoJ (I assume that's who you meant). We all know how well that went after Shrubby's administration took power and effectively neutered the sentencing.

No, I did mean the DoD...
They got missiles, soldiers, tanks and other guns

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-27 07:11pm

*West coast missile base test-fires a missile that has no warhead. Just a test*

*Something "fouls up" in the guidance system*

*missile spins around in the air before losing control and flying in a straight line....right into Microsoft headquarters*

No warhead, but if aimed right, you could smash Gates to smush.

Headlines: Missile Defense test kills Microsoft CEO and chairman, Bill Gates.

Us: MWWAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

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