At least we're in agreement on something. I thought you weren't going to go for the "quote by quote" system of responding. I guess you're not consistent in that respect.
I'm doing the quote by quote thing because you're such a dishonest little shit, that if I don't, you claim I haven't read your at all.
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I'm under no obligation to respect their disapproval of the new tone. I have contempt for their backward, rose-tinted, nostalgic thinking. It is their conservatism which generates a climate that prevents new ideas from thriving (no different from the RTS fanboys who only prefer micro-management intensive clones or FPS players who want the next game to be a Call of Duty knockoff). They stifle anything they are unfamiliar with. They helped to destroy the very thing they loved.
You're quite entitled to think whatever you like about them. Which of course, means I'm quite entitled to laugh at your butt hurt whining about the big mean SGA fans killing your precious misunderstood show.
Here's a thought, maybe its not that people can't handle new directions. Maybe its just that they thought the new direction
sucked.
Were SGU's viewing figures consistently low? Or did they start off alright? And get lowers as the went on? The former might prove you 'SGA whiners killed it' the later would seem to indicate 'fans gave it chance, didn't like it, left.'
I am suggesting that they sabotaged its chances of renewal not that they prevented others from viewing it (that part is indeed absurd). You're jumping to some bizarre conclusions if you think that I claimed there was some conspiracy here to prevent Universe from gaining a viewership. They tuned out and the viewing figures reflected that.
Making progress. But stating thinks like 'them tuning out killed the show' still implies to me that you think they ought to have keep watching to support the show and thus the franchise.
I was referring to the fanboys as a whole, not just the idiots on a single forum. Enough of them stopped watching, preventing Universe from receiving the numbers that SG-1 and Atlantis once did.
And of course you can prove why all those people stopped watching? No, because you have to gone are the whinings of the vocal minority that populate the internet. Which you're then applying to the whole unknown viewership to give yourself a demon to rally against.
Because it was taking the overall Stargate-verse in a different direction, not completely divorcing itself from the established canon. It was just using the previous series as a launching pad to tell a unique story (by Stargate standards, anyway). You don't even need to be familiar with Stargate to jump into and appreciate it. The pilot gives sufficient information to newcomers.
Well then, it should have been fine! Oh wait, it obviously failed to attract new viewership while alienating old fans. Oops. Franchises are double edged sword. Take Star Trek for example. Take that in a drastic new direction and see how much viewership'll get. None, because people would be all like 'eurgh! I'm no trekkie!' and not watch it. Even if they would have enjoyed it.
You want a new direction, start a new original show.
Though I given the performance of other similar long arc/character based shows like Dollhouse and T:SCC, it still wouldn't do well.
r SG-1 and Atlantis. Ergo, you didn't view Universe on its own merits.
I watched the preludes, the ads for it and decided from them. The same as I might for any new show. I gave it exactly the same consideration as new show. Don't try to tell me about my own decisions please.
I admitted I was annoyed that SGA was blatantly ditched to make SGU. The same way I was annoyed when SGA kicked out Ford and replaced him with the cooler Ronan. It smacked of laziness and lack of respect. I didn't stop watching Atlantis based on it though
You really are a piece of work. You haven't read a damn thing I've written have you? For the last time-I never said they didn't have the right to stop watching. I was attacking their attitude the entire time because I hated how their pettiness effectively ended a series that I and others enjoyed. Got it, you obtuse fuck?
So you admit they have the right to not watch if they don't like it. It's just that you object to the specific reason of 'not giving it a chance' except you have no idea what those reasons were. You're just guessing or basing it off internet screechings that don't reflect the views of the millions of people across the globe that stopped watching.
Don't get cute with me. The location is incidental. It is the people that are at fault here. It wouldn't matter if they were American, German or Ethiopian. The only thing that matters is that a bunch of fools helped to kill Stargate with their short-sightedness.
The special relationship comment was a joke. I also didn't realise you were Australian so it was a misaimed joke. Of course you being Australian means your opinion is just as 'worthless' as mine...
Drama can take different forms. I don't see how you're qualified to talk about the show given that you admitted that you never even viewed it. Pessimistic is an exaggeration in Universe's case. They've managed to make the best of a bad situation and have survived, without any convenient Ancient superweapons to boot. That's far more admirable than how SG-1 defeated the Ori for instance (with a fucking magic box).
Yes Drama can take many forms. Which is why I originally specified the kind of Drama I was talking about and you whined I should have just said 'drama'.
Oh, and grimdark is a stupid, uninspired term. Stop using it. It's not my fault you can't stand a series that doesn't fall in line with your lighter and softer sensibilities. SG-1 and Atlantis were hardly "realistic" examples of drama either. I'd say that Universe is a more realistic portrayal of how humans would behave in such a situation but that's just my opinion. You haven't seen it, therefore you can't contradict me.
Oh fuck off you condescending elitist prick, you have no right to dictate to me how I express myself. It's not my fault you're incapable of understanding that not everyone's tastes in television coincides with your own and we don't all make decisions based on franchise loyalty.
Oh that felt good. I was telling myself I wasn't going to stoop to petty jibes and insults but I guess I'm just inconsistent in that regards to.