weemadando wrote:Thank shit for someone having some sanity. I doubt that the previous administration would have shown such restraint/concern.
It's probably the best outcome. Since cremation is exceeding unacceptable in Islam and the possibility of admirers visiting a grave site untenable, this is satisfactory enough.
I wonder how deep a spot they intend to find.
The Romulan Republic wrote:Burying him according to Islamic tradition? Oh boy the GOP will have fun with this.
Well, one can simply reply, "He's fish food."
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MKSheppard wrote:bin Laden died because he was too stupid to hide in a basement.
He wasn't willing to give up all creature comforts and he probably figured the ISI would offer protection or a simple tip off.
It would have taken FAR longer if he hadn't been so ostentatious.
I mean, how are you gonna track a single courier grot to a single random building in the place?
You have to operate under the assumption that the ISI is working cross-wise against you; so you can't use the ISI's small army of spies and informants to tail the courier to whatever small random building with a basement Osama is in.
Him choosing such a mansion made it FAR easier as we could just toss a predator or whatnot overhead and track people leaving the mansion and collate their names and faces against known Al-Q operatives to prove/disprove our theory, rather than trying to sort at random everyone in Abbottabad.
Honestly, how hard would it have been for Bin Laden to go camping in Gilgit Baltistan in a cave with some level of medical care facilities?
Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
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weemadando wrote:Thank shit for someone having some sanity. I doubt that the previous administration would have shown such restraint/concern.
It's probably the best outcome. Since cremation is exceeding unacceptable in Islam and the possibility of admirers visiting a grave site untenable, this is satisfactory enough.
I wonder how deep a spot they intend to find.
The Marianas trench is probably the likely choice.
Maxentius wrote:Just a couple pictures I took while observing the celebration at Ground Zero tonight. I apologize if this post otherwise lacks substance.
As Sage Francis pointed out on Twitter, remarkably similar to the scenes in the Arab world post 9/11 that Fox and co. made such a great habit of pointing out as being horrible, evil gatherings of hate.
There's remarkably little hate to be had in New York, tonight. I do not exaggerate when I say the crowds are passing 'round brown-bagged bottles and that particular corner has a pall of marijuana smoke. And despite people being drunk and high there's nobody inciting anything. Lots of USA chants, patriotic singing, some dancing, and the attending NYPD looking rather jealous they can't join in.
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Havok wrote:It is also a job they volunteered for. I appreciate the job done, but they shouldn't get special treatment outside of the enormous gratitude and respect that will assuredly come with the particular mission.
I damn well would like to shake every one of their hands though, from CIA all the way to the helicopter pilots and everyone in between.
Not to be a total dick, but would the handshakes also be for those who directly tortured in Gitmo/Iraq/A'Stan or directed torture in places like Egypt in the hope of getting a little tidbit of info?
I was speaking about the people directly involved in in the operation, but I've never subscribed to the idea that torture can not get you correct information. I don't like it, but I'm not naive enough to think it hasn't been done and done successfully for years. If they wanted to tell me they hurt people to protect the country, then I'm not going to fault them for that.
I've never been quite sure why we are so against torturing our enemies, but not against killing them.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Burying him according to Islamic tradition? Oh boy the GOP will have fun with this.
WHY?
Because it will show respect for his traditions and won't cause riots worldwide?
Because it's the right thing to do for anyone, even your worst enemy?
Because they (you?) have itty bitty penises and just find it that hard to be the bigger man?
I fail to see why anyone who commits mass murder should be buried according to their tradition, he went against what other muslims want islam to be, a religon of peace and that he triggered off the occupation for afghanistan later as an excuse to invade iraq as well. He will not be missed, only the extremists will call out his name in praise.
Well congrats to the u.s on this but once their moment of celebrations is over some serious questions need to be asked about pakistan, espacilly if Osama has been living in Pakistan for more then just a few months.
The Romulan Republic wrote:Burying him according to Islamic tradition? Oh boy the GOP will have fun with this.
WHY?
Because it will show respect for his traditions and won't cause riots worldwide?
Because it's the right thing to do for anyone, even your worst enemy?
Because they (you?) have itty bitty penises and just find it that hard to be the bigger man?
Try because the GOP is going to have to find SOMETHING now to attack President Obama with.
And I have no fucking idea why you are attacking TRR for saying something that is absolutely going to be brought up.
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A medium-sized city, Abbottabad is home to a large Pakistani military base, a military academy of the Pakistani army, and a major hospital and other facilities that would could have served as support for Osama bin Laden.
A senior Indonesian militant, Umar Patek, was arrested in Abbottabad earlier this year. Mr. Patek was protected by a Qaeda operative, a postal clerk who worked under cover at the main post office, a signal that Al Qaeda may have had other operatives in the area.
Yochi Dreazen, National Journal’s national security correspondent, tweets, “Military source tells me #Seals built a full-scale mockup of #bin Ladin’s compound and spent weeks practicing the raid and learning layout.”
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Reports are that Pakistan was involved in the operation.
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Havok, the whole problem is what about those people who are being tortured who aren't actually part of AQ or any terrorist group?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Havok, the whole problem is what about those people who are being tortured who aren't actually part of AQ or any terrorist group?
What about all the people that get killed in war that have nothing to do with the military? We condone one as 'acceptable loses' and one as a monstrous act? Why? One is far more deliberate, but one is also done for far more specific reasons. 'Acceptable loses' is OK for millitary operations but not torture that assist military options for what reason?
Like I said I don't condone it, and hope, that if I had to make the choice, that I would have another option than to say yes, but I'm not going to fault the people that have to do it.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:Looks like CNN is reporting that the body has already been buried at sea.
I've been looking for conformation but haven't found any yet.
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I'd say simply because a battlefield and a torture cellar do not present similar circumstances. Killing people within the chaotic environment of the former is markedly different from torturing people within the safe and controlled confines of the latter.
Kudos to downing OBL. I wonder if that accomplished anything beyond quenching the thirst for vengeance though, OBL wasn't particularly active within the last few years.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Havok, the whole problem is what about those people who are being tortured who aren't actually part of AQ or any terrorist group?
What about all the people that get killed in war that have nothing to do with the military? We condone one as 'acceptable loses' and one as a monstrous act? Why? One is far more deliberate, but one is also done for far more specific reasons. 'Acceptable loses' is OK for millitary operations but not torture that assist military options for what reason?
Like I said I don't condone it, and hope, that if I had to make the choice, that I would have another option than to say yes, but I'm not going to fault the people that have to do it.
I wonder if Obama's recent decisions on things such as Gitmo, civilian trials, and wikileaks has ties to the prep work for this operation. Obama may have made a deal with the devil in order to protect some pieces of intelligence necessary.
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We're not just doing this for money; we're doing this for a shitload of money!
At the moment I'm just hoping we have enough documented evidence that the conspiracy theorists (who are already out in full force) don't turn this into a massive issue like the birther bullshit was. I was trying to find good info and I keep running into unverified reports and tinfoil hats! Really, people?
We should have plenty, and the news agencies are so eager to pump ANYTHING out there for headlines that they've made a few sloppy reports already--especially internationally. All that crap will fuel doubts and it seems like we've got this pre-made crazy as hell conspiracy theorist blogosphere thing going on as-is.
Dark Hellion wrote:I wonder if Obama's recent decisions on things such as Gitmo, civilian trials, and wikileaks has ties to the prep work for this operation. Obama may have made a deal with the devil in order to protect some pieces of intelligence necessary.
I was actually wondering the same, myself.
As I know nothing of the way classified material works, is it possible that little isolated pieces of the wikileaks stuff could be added together with additional info to produce "we know where he is, and we're getting ready to take him out"?
It would really do my worldview a whole lot of good if that were the case.
I'm getting a bit cross with british TV.
British debate program has lots of people calling the death an 'assassination'.
From what I've been reading on here, this doesn't sound right. I though Bin Laden was killed in a firefight with the Seals?
However I did enjoy the presenter smacking down a caller for mentioning the whole birther thing:
Caller: "It comes at a very good time for Obama, since he is facing these problems with his birth-
Presenter, cutting her off: "You're being Disingenuous, He isn't having problems, apart from some Right wing ultra radical nut-jobs" (that's essentially it.)
"Seriously though, every time I see something like this I think 'Ooo, I'm living in the future'. Unfortunately it increasingly looks like it's going to be a cyberpunkish dystopia, where the poor eat recycled shit and the rich eat the poor." Evilsoup, on the future
Questor wrote:
I was actually wondering the same, myself.
As I know nothing of the way classified material works, is it possible that little isolated pieces of the wikileaks stuff could be added together with additional info to produce "we know where he is, and we're getting ready to take him out"?
It would really do my worldview a whole lot of good if that were the case.
Most of the Wikileaks stuff was only "SECRET", IIRC. That really is not that sensitive(which is why, incidentally, you have a lot of pundits who snorted derisvely about some of the "revelations" that came out of it)
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