Possible 2nd DW movie

[Ahriman238]

Hello, everyone.

I heard a rumor from a mostly reliable source (a friend with a gift for seperating truth from internet BS) that since leaving the show, Russel T. Davis has been working on a script for a Doctor Who movie.

I heard it again from a far, far less reliable movie rumor site (though they are likely just repeating the first rumor) with the addition of Johnny Depp being favored to play the 12th Doctor in the film.

Much as I enjoyed Pirates of the Caribbean, I can't really see that. He terrified me in 'Willy Wonka.' To say nothing of every British sci-fi geek screaming sacrilege at an American Doctor. Also, this far down the line of regenrations I can't really see them wasting one while 11 is still going strong. Then again, they could just make it and deny the canonicity if it does poorly.

While I think I'd be thrilled with a real movie (though I liked a fair bit about the Paul McGan one) could they maybe get some besides RTD to write it.

And I'm still fairly sceptical about the whole thing without an official announce, even if I do trust my source.

Thoughts?

[PREDATOR490]

Bullshit.

Give me a legitimate, official announcement and I MIGHT believe it.

R.T.D + Johnny Depp + 12th Doctor

Extreme bullshit with an extreme side order of no fucking way.

The last movie was a disappointing disaster which would be a horrific travesty AND mess the series up.

Unless Johnny Depp is going to be doing a DW series then your essentially writing off a 12th regeneration on a one-shot movie Doctor. Same as the last one. Except now you have to find a new person for the 13th Doctor. As a cameo appearance in a special - much more likely to happen

[The Romulan Republic]

I wouldn't mind a Doctor Who movie, but I can't really see Depp as the Doctor.

Also, I too will be skeptical until I see a credible source.

[Batman]

Heck given what RTD did in NuWho the world (and the franchise) are better off without the guy being allowed to do a movie.

[Parallax]

The last movie was a disappointing disaster which would be a horrific travesty AND mess the series up.

I did, however, really like the theme music and the TARDIS interior.
The Doctor's costume was also a great choice.

The rest, sadly, was bollocks.

[Crossroads Inc.]

The last movie was a disappointing disaster which would be a horrific travesty AND mess the series up.

I did, however, really like the theme music and the TARDIS interior.
The Doctor's costume was also a great choice.

The rest, sadly, was bollocks.

Agreed the Theme they came up with was fantastically Epic for a "Dramatic Movie" though sadly the movie itself was rubbish.
Though the TARDIS Interior was also rubbish:

I mean look at that thing, it looks like it was banged together in a high school shop class.


There are Fan build consoles far superior to that:

[Parallax]

I was referring to the overall interior, not just the console. It looked and felt really damn enormous and epic.
I have to agree that the console itself was very ... flimsy looking and tad disappointing (though I liked the way the central column interacted).

Much like the current interior really. I love the current interior except for the console itself.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Ah, My apologizes then, as you are correct, the Interior was indeed epic and has this "Vast" feeling to it.
Likewise I loved the "in and out" rotating central column from the movie, the single shaft that led to the celling was something picked up in both of the NuWho Consoles and is much liked.
The current Interiors, well, I'd say I don't like it because it has a "run down falling apart" look, but that is actually par for the course for the Current aging TARDIS, so I can accept it.

One of these days I'd like to see a TARDIS back in its prime with lavish interiors and the good old fashion wood paneling.

[Ahriman238]

I wouldn't mind a Doctor Who movie, but I can't really see Depp as the Doctor.

Also, I too will be skeptical until I see a credible source.

Hence all the qualifiers. Rumor can be interesting fodder for discussion, as long as you understand it's all speculative. I am confidant in my friend when he says RTD is working on a script. Then again, someone is writing a script is so preliminary to this sort of thing, nothing may come of it. The script could be rejected, they could sit on it for a few years, etc.

That's my biggest reason for doubting the second, Doctor Depp rumor. If a script was just begun, no one should be talking casting for a long time.

As for the McGan movie. I thought it's biggest problems were that it was completly set on earth, and that they went with an amnesia plot. To me, it made perfect sense that the 7th Doctor would die from something truly random and unpredictable. What else could kill him? Well, it wasn't the bullets that killed him, it was the doctors at the ER hearing two heartbeats and making some decisions with that data that were entirely reasonable under any other circumstances. Really, someday the Doctor was going to have to rely on the medical expertise of someone who was expecting a human anatomy. I'm frankly amazed that Martha Jones didn't call for a crashcart when she first met 10.

The Cathedral Tardis was simply cool. Say what you will about the control console, and it is sort of ridiculous on it's own, It worked in the middle of a cathedral crossed with a sitting room and blue backlighting.

The Master was...middling. A solid average really. I think some people forget just how awful and campy the Master could get sometimes. So there were better Masters, but there also worse.

[Enigma]

No Depp\DW movie according to the BBC as reported by io9.com

[Ahriman238]

Well, that's a relief.

[Bedlam]

Anyway it wouldn't be the second movie it would be the fourth there were the two Peter Cushing movies back in the 60s as well as the Paul McGann telly movie.

[Lord Woodlouse]

The completist within me would kinda like a Time War movie starring McGann running up to his eventual regeneration into Eccelston. Unlikely to appear for a number of reasons, and plenty of pitfalls ready for it to suck, but I still kinda want to see it all the same.

As for the 98 movie, I remember when I saw it it felt high budget and lavish. Looking back on it it kinda looks a bit more lame. Not sure if that's just because tv productions are now more lavish in general or I was just looking at it with naive younger eyes.

[Captain Seafort]

The completist within me would kinda like a Time War movie starring McGann running up to his eventual regeneration into Eccelston.

Ditto. At the very least it would be good to see McGann turn up again, even if it was just for a normal multi-Doctor story. 2013 maybe.

As for the 98 movie, I remember when I saw it it felt high budget and lavish. Looking back on it it kinda looks a bit more lame. Not sure if that's just because tv productions are now more lavish in general or I was just looking at it with naive younger eyes.

1) It was '96.

2) The film might not have been great, but that Tardis remains my favourite to this day. It's the only one with a real sense of the grandeur of the Time Lords.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Personally I rather liked the film, but that's probably because I like Paul McGann as the Docor enough to overlook the questionable plot.

And that TARDIS was truly awesome. The only downfall being the slightly....meh....console and the Eye of Harmony, if only because it was vaguely connected to the "The Doctors half human" bollocks.

Then again, I still like the scene with the police officer on the bike running into the TARDIS..hehehe.

McGann Time War movie? Sounds good to me!

[Ahriman238]

Anyway it wouldn't be the second movie it would be the fourth there were the two Peter Cushing movies back in the 60s as well as the Paul McGann telly movie.

I didn't know that. Any good?

Personally I rather liked the film, but that's probably because I like Paul McGann as the Docor enough to overlook the questionable plot.

And that TARDIS was truly awesome. The only downfall being the slightly....meh....console and the Eye of Harmony, if only because it was vaguely connected to the "The Doctors half human" bollocks.

About that, I only have a fragmentary viewing of the old series but... while it does fuel the TARDISs? TARDI? Isn't the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey?

Heck given what RTD did in NuWho the world (and the franchise) are better off without the guy being allowed to do a movie.

I thought he was okay, except when he'd get us all excited over the massive specials that always failed to deliver.

Whatever else, I think we all owe him one for axing the Rose spin-off.

[Eternal_Freedom]

The Cushing movies were done in the mid 60's and are remakes of the first two Dalek stories. They are incredibly cheesy but not too bad.

About that, I only have a fragmentary viewing of the old series but... while it does fuel the TARDISs? TARDI? Isn't the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey?

Apparently all TARDISes have either a link to the main Eye or a exact mathematical duplicate or somesuch. Kinda hard to rationalise with the Time Lords thinking the Eye was a myth uup until "The Deadly Assassin."

[Parallax]

By mathematical duplicate, he's referring to Block Transfer Computations - apparently a technology used to create TARDIS' to begin with.
We saw the technology being used in the story 'Logopolis' and it's basically summed up as 'using maths to fuck with reality and make it your bitch'.

BTC may or may not have something to do with the paradigm mentioned in 'school reunion' which appeared to boast similar abilities.

[Eternal_Freedom]

I know what he's thinking of, I just find it strange that they can build a duplicate (many duplicates in fact) of an object long thought to be a myth, it'd be like me going and forging a duplicate of the Ark of the Covenant with all it's associated mystical powers.

[Bedlam]

Anyway it wouldn't be the second movie it would be the fourth there were the two Peter Cushing movies back in the 60s as well as the Paul McGann telly movie.

I didn't know that. Any good?

The first one Dr Who and the Daleks is based on the original Daleks story shorted a bit but with a larger budget (colour), it defently my favourite of the two. Ehe second Daleks - Invasion Earth 2150AD is based on the Dalek invasion of earth story and is done in a much joker style which I think ruins the rather interesting original series.

[Big Orange]

To tell you the truth the original "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" from the BBC was in general rather ponderous and put me to sleep in places, even though it had a more darker edge to it than the more overtly campy movie version and I still liked Hartnell's speech at the end. The Peter Cushing movies were high camp in places, but generally better to casually sit through.

The 1996 TV movie with Paul McGann and Eric Roberts was not really a motion picture, but a US-Canadian attempt to relaunch the Doctor Who TV series again as a higher budget 1990s sci-fi show to go directly against TNG+ era Star Trek and The X-Files, but it exploded on the launch pad. I don't think it went over well with DW purists when the 7th Doctor was taken down like a bitch by gangbangers. The production guy who designed and built the impressive at the time McGann TARDIS went on to work on the Stargate franchise.

There have been two genuine DW motion pictures and it's not as if the Star Trek franchise hasn't put out many watchable, successful movies that more than made up for a couple of real stinkers, so another DW movie is not completely out of the question but still unlikely in the near future.

[NecronLord]

I know what he's thinking of, I just find it strange that they can build a duplicate (many duplicates in fact) of an object long thought to be a myth, it'd be like me going and forging a duplicate of the Ark of the Covenant with all it's associated mystical powers.

This is because the script of Deadly Assassin is absolute blinding drivel, and depicts a Time Lord society massively, massively at variance with almost every other depiction of the Time Lords before and since.

The idea that they don't even know what powers their society is laughable. In The Three Doctors they have a very precise understanding of how much power they have available and such.

Every Time Lord off Gallifrey is shown to be a scientist of one description or another (Well, there is the , and the process of scientific discovery was said over and over to be ongoing there... except for Deadly Assassin where SUDDENLY GHORMENGAST!

Deadly Assassin may as well be set on a different planet from earlier (and later, such as Arc of Infinity) episodes, save its direct sequel The Invasion of Time. Along with Genesis of the Daleks, the Time Lords got massively, massively dumbed down during Tom Baker's run, and smarter again after, and yet the depiction of Romana later in that same run is that she's been educated by a very highly technical and intelligent society, not the kind of mouth-breathing morons that think sending an avowed pacifist on a mission to wipe out a sapient species instead of say, a bomb, is a good idea.

The problem with the later Gallifrey stories is that they make the entire society helpless in order to have them need the Doctor's help. In Three Doctors this is done by confronting them with an equal force, in Deadly Assassin the lazy path is taken, and they just make them into absolute chumps whose entire society can be threatened by one renegade.

It can be rationalized by saying that guy was shockingly, blindingly ignorant, possibly some kind of Gallifreyan young-earth creationist. And that the Gallifreyan elite of that era just happened to be a regime of utter incompetents.

In short, anything Deadly Assassin has to say about a technical matter should be flung out the window, except where it's cool (the name Eye of Harmony is cool) and that was a very wise choice on the TV movie's part, essentially forcing the retcon of that moron in Deadly Assassin into his just being an ignorant doofus.

[Big Orange]

I guess the Time Lords had their shit more together if they could fight the former Dalek Empire at its height to its virtual destruction and draft plans for the Final Sanction with arrogant confidence, though they did have the founder of their civilization leading the way in the final phase of the Time War. The Final Sanction rubs some fans the wrong way, but considering the uneven track record of the Time Lord's leadership (with their debut as high handed dickholes in "The War Games"), it doesn't seem that out of character.

Eric Roberts is not a bad actor on principle and had a memorably smarmy role in The Dark Knight, seemed to have his fall from grace in the 1990s and on hindsight, through very vague memory, seemed rather out of place for the tone of Doctor Who. The 1996 TV was not fantastic, but then again neither was TNG's "Encounter at Farpoint".