What universes could survive an invasion of Weeping Angels?

[BlackAdder]

I was watching "Blink" recently and I was just wondering what would happen if the Angels managed to invade another, Doctor-free universe and what would happen. This is assuming the Angels manage to land on a planet as opposed to say, a black hole.
Any thoughts?

[HMS Sophia]

Any that has easy access to weaponry?
I don't know, have we ever seen what happens to an angel when it is destroyed? I don't think a high ex device would do good things for it....

[Vendetta]

Any 'verse with weaponry capable of damaging them and the ruthlessness to execute anyone who sees one as a potential vector for reappearance.

Turning to stone when observed is only a good defence mechanism until people know you're doing it, at which point it renders you completely helpless.

[Crazedwraith]

Technically I don't think their stone forms are... stone. Aren't they effectively invincible owning to some 'quantum lock' on their form? Certainly they were not damaged By the Cleric's weapon fire in the Eleventh's Two Parter.

[PREDATOR490]

The statues could be shot and had bullet holes from the Cleric shooting them. Logically, if they can have bullet holes shot in them then larger weaponary would cause bigger holes.

An army that instantly freezes when anyone even looks AND runs the risk of fucking themselves if they see each other is going to be prone to problems. Their method of killing could easily be a problem too. Throwing people back in time so they can warn their future selves about whats coming might not be the best option.

The Angels gain their strength from hiding in the dark / camoflage. Remove both of those perks and they lose a considerable amount of that power. Shouldnt be hard to destroy them with enough personnel / resources.

[Crazedwraith]

When were they shown with bullet holes in?

The only one's I remember being imperfect were the starving one in the tomb. In fact, didn't the Doctor say starving them to death was the only way to get rid of them?

[Mr Bean]

As always for those of us who don't follow Doctor who, why not explain what the hell these things are eh? Can they weaponry? Do they fly? Are they vurnable to heat or cold of the vacuum of space or shiny things?

[Crazedwraith]

Linky-Link

They're stone angels that are 'Quantum locked'; they only move when you can't see them. But then they move incredibly quickly and snap your neck. Or just send you back a few decades in time.

They also eat exotic radiation for breakfast.

I couldn't see anything in that link about they're durability in their stone forms so I may have been wrong on that point.

[Vendetta]

As always for those of us who don't follow Doctor who, why not explain what the hell these things are eh? Can they weaponry? Do they fly? Are they vurnable to heat or cold of the vacuum of space or shiny things?

According to google, they're quasi-immortal infovores whose principal attack and method of feeding is to transport a victim into the past and absorb some form of energy released by the process. Other weaponry unknown.

Anyone looking directly into the eyes of an Angel is infected and will become one, any recorded image of an Angel will become an Angel.

If isolated without prey they will eventually starve.

The defence mechanism which causes them to turn to stone is involuntary, they can't not do it.

They have some means of interstellar travel, whether this is actual travel or related to the already mentioned capacity to infect is beyond my ken.

This all really depends on how tough they are whilst in their stone form. Immune to bullets is all very well in Doctor Who, but there are a hell of a lot of 'verses where immune to bullets isn't worth a hill of beans.

[NecronLord]

The angels do not necessarily have interstellar travel. Or any culture or technology to speak of. One hitched a ride on a human ship.

[PREDATOR490]

Sacred Bob specifically puts bullet holes in one when he shoots it. Smoke literally comes from the holes in its face so clearly his bullets damaged it.
One would expect a larger yield weapon to do more damage if a gun can put bullet holes in them.

Even without that, Angels are still bound by their environment such as gravity. Should be easy for a civilisation to transport an Angel and dump it into a sun with the proper technology and intelligence.

Alternatively,trick them into watching one another although that weakness seems to have been dropped in their appearance with the 11th Doctor. Dozens of them seem to move just fine around each other which should not be possible according to Blink. As for it being involuntary, again Flesh and Stone has them 'INSTINCTIVELY' stop moving when Amy walks around them blind.

If she cant see them they should be able to move of their own accord and the ability to move in itself would tell them they arent being seen. It would only really become involuntary if they are being DIRECTLY observed. Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone really fucked up the rules of the Angels by bringing them back.

[Ugolino]

There weren't any holes, from what I remember. Also, the Angels can move if they believe they're not being observed.

[Ahriman238]

Realizing I've only seen 'Blink'...

Any species or society to develop both the infamous "Mk-1 eyeball" AND "Sledgehammer" technologies.

[Zor]

A high surveillance state, a society that monitors its society very well.

And since this is on those lines...



Zor

[Shroom Man 777]

Look at the angels, see them freeze. Okay. Walk to the angels, glue a motion-sensitive detonator on them. Back away, while keeping an eye on the angel. Then, when outside of the blast radius... blink.

Kaboom!

[Themightytom]

A jedi could spin two around and make them stare at each other pretty easily.

A federation ship can beam one into space.

The Vorlons can wipe out whatever planet they come from, if a telepath can't just mess with their heads while they stare at eachother.

Malcom Reynolds has unbreakable character shields

Gundam Wing can stomp on them.

A cylon centurion can stare back indefinitely at them.

Seaquest can drop it into the ocean.

Daredevil is completely screwed.

With Doctor Who creatures there are so many unknowns that there are limitless hypothetical scenarios.

[Lord Woodlouse]

I really really do get the feeling throughout that their stone forms are more than just stone. The scenes in The Time of Angels show Angels that are in a severely weakened state, so it's not particularly conclusive. Given the Doctor talks about them in their stone state as being essentially unkillable.

By the way, it's not that they can move if they think they're not being watched it's that they'll remain stone if they think they're being watched but aren't. They demonstrate this when they're severely distracted by a Spoiler

very dangerous rip in time and space

.

[HMS Sophia]

Given the Doctor talks about them in their stone state as being essentially unkillable

He does. I don't know, they are always described as stone. Maybe he meant they couldn't be destroyed with anything they had to hand...

[BlackAdder]

Alternatively,trick them into watching one another although that weakness seems to have been dropped in their appearance with the 11th Doctor. Dozens of them seem to move just fine around each other which should not be possible according to Blink. As for it being involuntary, again Flesh and Stone has them 'INSTINCTIVELY' stop moving when Amy walks around them blind.

If she cant see them they should be able to move of their own accord and the ability to move in itself would tell them they arent being seen. It would only really become involuntary if they are being DIRECTLY observed. Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone really fucked up the rules of the Angels by bringing them back.

The ones not being looked at at the back move first? I think they all have to both watch and be watched in order to be defeated like that.

Actually, I think that 'observed' doesn't necessarily mean being looked at. They only move once Amy drops the controller. If it was instinctive then the Angels are all a bunch of idiots (by freezing and allowing a potential meal to escape), and they most certainly are not. Certainly they knew how to sabotage a starship irreprably, which requires some intelligence.

[BlackAdder]

Look at the angels, see them freeze. Okay. Walk to the angels, glue a motion-sensitive detonator on them. Back away, while keeping an eye on the angel. Then, when outside of the blast radius... blink.

Kaboom!

That's assuming that Angels are damagable when not quantum-locked. We don't know if that is true. Also, they are conscious when in stone form; Angel Bob has a conversation with the Doctor in stone form. So they mightn't move until something else sets it off, then walk away unharmed.

[Sithking Zero]

In the anime "Ranma 1/2," there is a skill called, and I could be massively wrong here, the "Breaking Point Technique." basically, you poke a piece of stone in the right place, and it explodes violently.

So, some of those guys/girls, or have the Imperium of Man declare exterminatus on the planet. Or Space Marines. Seriously, what would the angels do? Send him back in time? Oh, yeah, he's back in time... to a point where he can now go and warn the imperium, still in his Space-Mariney armor, allowing him to warn other people/go forth, hunting down the things in real time.

[Sithking Zero]

The entire WH40K universe, being based around the concept of "If it moves, it's a Xeno/Heretic/Cultist/Extradimensional Horror/Zerg-like horde/Hyper-fanatic church member/fungoid super soldier/omnicidal machine army, kill it with as much firepower as possible" would be an excellent one at wiping out a Weeping Angel invasion. Then again, does anyone really want to see Chaos Weeping Angels?

[Ahriman238]

So, some of those guys/girls, or have the Imperium of Man declare exterminatus on the planet. Or Space Marines. Seriously, what would the angels do? Send him back in time? Oh, yeah, he's back in time... to a point where he can now go and warn the imperium, still in his Space-Mariney armor, allowing him to warn other people/go forth, hunting down the things in real time.

Yeah... Say what you will about the Imperium of Man, their policy on time-travel is both direct and effective. Shoot any time-travelers in the head before they can say or do anything to muck with history. If possible, look up their present versions and make sure they take a dirt nap and thus never become a time-traveling threat.

Anyone claiming to be a time-traveler who's on their side is clearly lying, a true servant of the Emperor would know better! It's a kind of genius, a simple violent solution to a complex issue.

[Lord Woodlouse]

Given the Doctor talks about them in their stone state as being essentially unkillable

He does. I don't know, they are always described as stone. Maybe he meant they couldn't be destroyed with anything they had to hand...

But they have plenty of time. The episode takes place from night to night. There's no particular reason the Doctor couldn't just tell them to grab themselves some powertools or something. When he describes them he's talking about an ancient and very powerful creature that has been around since the early part of the universe, who's quantum locking ability is seen as a near perfect defence. Simply turning into stone does not seem consistent with that description.

[Simon_Jester]

Yeah... Say what you will about the Imperium of Man, their policy on time-travel is both direct and effective. Shoot any time-travelers in the head before they can say or do anything to muck with history. If possible, look up their present versions and make sure they take a dirt nap and thus never become a time-traveling threat.

I'd never heard about this; when did that come up?