What good is the truth?

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-02-28 05:38am

What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die. What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special. What good is all that.

I hate being merely a biological process...

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-02-28 05:48am

And you DON'T have to think about that all the time. You can think about the positive things, such as how to make yourself a happier person. Speaking personally, I know that all my body parts' net worth are measurable in dollars if not cents, will die, but an insignificant speck that is unlikely to remain in the memories even of other people, and am a mere conglomerate of organic matter that does not even make a particularly good combo (I'm not good in math, sports, art...)

But personally, I value my current ability to perceive the world. I intend to perceive it as long as possible, and making my perception one I'm happier with. That's enough. It does not matter to me in a "real" sense that any happiness I feel are the result of biological and chemical processes - that's an "abstract" concept. Abstract concepts only enter my mind when I try to be philosophical - less than five minutes a day, max.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-02-28 06:08am

SWPIGWANG wrote:What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die. What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special. What good is all that.

Well, at least you know that buttfucking your girlfriend is not going to comdemn you to eternal damnation.

SWPIGWANG wrote:I hate being merely a biological process...

You can always choose to belief in some comfortable myth or another (you know reincarnation, eternal soul, Etc.) if the reality is too tough for you to handle. You won't be the first one to do so.

Oh, and read this.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-28 06:24am

SWPIGWANG wrote:What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die.

Who defined this truth?

What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special.

According to whose truth?

What good is all that.

It tells you that it's time to make your own truth. You don't have to be insignificant, easily forgotten, not special. That is the truth of others: others who do not define their own truth, but follow that of their fellows. Sure, you'll die, but you can make your mark before you do. Define your own truth. Don't let them define it for you. I made that mistake, of believing their truth, but I discovered my own truth and that made all the difference.

I hate being merely a biological process...

So do we all. But that's life. That's the truth. But is it the whole truth?

Life is not about "you're born, you live, you die". Life is an ongoing discovery. Go discover your own truth, for however long it takes. And when you do that, discover more truths. And keep on discovering until you can't discover any more.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-28 06:48am

What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die

I don't know about you but I intend to live forever

Medical Imortaility is possible folks, just hope they discover it in your time
Or do what I do and help them out

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-28 10:55am

You make the best with what you got. It would be worse to go through life with the blinders of faith giving you false hope.

The the movie says, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-02-28 11:08am

Personally, I enjoy being a finite organism. That's probably hard for most people to do, but knowing that you have a limited time to do anything gives life a personal sense of importance and the urge to accomplish your goals since you don't have forever to do it.

As for being 'worthless' or flawed, hell, what the hell would life be like if you had nothing to aspire to? Whoop, I'm perfect, nothing left to do. Nah, being a finite and flawed organism kicks ASS, even the part where I get to drag my pitiful arse out of the hole I've dug for it, look down, and give my troubles the Mister Didgit Hand Puppet.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-02-28 11:51am

Happiness is a state of mind. This state doesn't require being significant, immortal, rich, omnipotent, etc. About all you need is contentment. Its about what choices you make; what things you feel you need to be content. Just realise that these things *are* choices, and your natural instincts try to influence these desires. Try not to be a slave to your instincts, understand your emotions and why you have them, and you'll be more happy.

Maybe I should right a self-help book?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-28 11:58am

Truth is relative. Worth is relative. If you feel out of place or worthless where you are right now, find some other place in life you can feel at worth.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-28 11:58am

You can always shoot yourself. After all, you're only a biological process.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-28 12:18pm

I think apathy is a good cure for this.

So what if there is no Heaven? So what if chemical reactions and particle physics make free will an illusion? You're happy and that's all that matters.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-28 12:27pm

If you feel non-special or worthless, you're not working hard enough. It sounds like you're having problems defining your self worth without it being granted by supernatural magic powers. Being part of a natural biological process is what existence is, trying to read more into it than that is foolhardy, and a waste of valuable time. This is your life, either you make of it what you can, or join the cattle in thinking and doing as they're told.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-28 12:31pm

If free will is ever refuted beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'll shoot myself in protest. Suicide is free will. Biological determinism dictates that you should have self-preservation instincts at all times. So is serial killing. Not too many animals kill others without a good reason.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-02-28 12:52pm

UltraViolence83 wrote:If free will is ever refuted beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'll shoot myself in protest. Suicide is free will. Biological determinism dictates that you should have self-preservation instincts at all times. So is serial killing. Not too many animals kill others without a good reason.

Biological determinism can be overridden. Some lack these instincts, other instincts can be tricked, or flatly overidden. Belief in life-after-death is a "trick" to make your fear of death go away (or lessen it).

It could be that you have no choice but to kill yourself. The problem is that if free will doesn't exist, it is determined what you *WANT* to do as well as what you will do.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-28 01:42pm

The best way to not be insignifigant is to not be insignifigant.

If you want to be remembered, then do stuff that will be remembered. Simple.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-28 01:51pm

Frank Hipper wrote:If you feel non-special or worthless, you're not working hard enough. It sounds like you're having problems defining your self worth without it being granted by supernatural magic powers. Being part of a natural biological process is what existence is, trying to read more into it than that is foolhardy, and a waste of valuable time. This is your life, either you make of it what you can, or join the cattle in thinking and doing as they're told.

How easily I could turn this into another NGE thread hijack...

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-28 04:35pm

SWPIGWANG wrote:What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die. What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special. What good is all that.

I hate being merely a biological process...

You want to feel good?
You want to feel important?

Believe it or not, O my brothers, but we are the big winners of the Grand Cosmic Lotto!

Eons of stellar formations with quanta interactions, planetary aglomeration, nuclear furnaces.
A billion years of chemical randomness, evolution and extinction. Thousands of years of deaths, discoveries, savageries, explorations, conquests and defeats!

All that for an intelligent and industrious lifeform to appear on this Earth so we can begin to see the Universe.

All that and more so we can sit back and say:

It's beautiful...

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-28 05:37pm

Enricko wrote:Some really cool stuff.

Man, that rocks...I'd never looked at it that way before. Thanks for posting that.

Did I say it was really cool? And a good point? I'm saving that post...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-28 05:41pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:If you feel non-special or worthless, you're not working hard enough. It sounds like you're having problems defining your self worth without it being granted by supernatural magic powers. Being part of a natural biological process is what existence is, trying to read more into it than that is foolhardy, and a waste of valuable time. This is your life, either you make of it what you can, or join the cattle in thinking and doing as they're told.
How easily I could turn this into another NGE thread hijack...

NGE? What's that stand for?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-28 05:43pm

As a fully sentient and rational being, you should realise that because you have no purpose, you have no higher restrictions. You should also realise that as a sentient you make your own purpose.

Hip, NGE = Neon Genesis Evangelion

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-28 06:11pm

Zoink wrote:It could be that you have no choice but to kill yourself. The problem is that if free will doesn't exist, it is determined what you *WANT* to do as well as what you will do.

If you are sentient, you have free will. That's what seperates us from the rest of the animals. We can overcome our instincts; sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.

Regarding life after death, sometimes I'd rather have just a big blank nothing but I don't feel that's how the universe works.

PS: Isn't what you want to do determined by your will?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-28 06:28pm

SWPIGWANG wrote:What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die. What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special. What good is all that.

I hate being merely a biological process...

after some thinking about that, I decided to fulfill my largest dreams. nothing to lose, right?

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-28 06:52pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:
SWPIGWANG wrote:What good is the 'truth' if it tells you that you are born worthless, without real choice in this world, and will die. What good is the truth when it tells you are insignificant, easily forgotten and not special. What good is all that.

I hate being merely a biological process...
after some thinking about that, I decided to fulfill my largest dreams. nothing to lose, right?

That's either cool or ominous...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-28 09:18pm

both, I think. everyone has this option - we are all on death row. you have *nothing* to lose if you drive towards your innermost desires. if those were "unethical", why, what would you lose? we all die, anyway.

for myself, I want to change the world. Ive rped all the evils I could think of - they've lost their taste. but to improve humanity on a global scale; ah, now that is something to aspire to.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-02-28 09:21pm

Eh. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

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