I'M REALLY AM A F&#@#ING PRICK!
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Damn, now I know why fundies never conceed; they don't have enough spine to apologise without totally bowing down and practically sucking your dick in gutless worship. What other kind of total lack of dignity or self-respect would you expect from someone who lets a book about a man in the sky make all their descisions for them?
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Which he needs to do more than grovel (growel? ) at our feet in order to prove. We're not asking people to shamelessly agree with us and be our slaves, we're asking them to show some fucking sense.Durran Korr wrote:He deserves a chance, but he needs to prove that he doesn't deserve the Fundie Moron title.
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Give him a chance. I used to basically be a fundie until I got into my first theology course, and look at me now (OK, so I'm not the best person on the boards, but most of y'all can put up with me ). If he proves himself to have changed, then we eliminate the title. If not, we've got flamebait. Either way we end up better off.
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That has to be one of the most spineless apologies I've seen...why even issue it?
I'd just start posting non-fundie stuff until it was noticed that I wasn't being a jackass anymore.
Give 'im a chance, but only a small one.
I'd just start posting non-fundie stuff until it was noticed that I wasn't being a jackass anymore.
Give 'im a chance, but only a small one.
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Q: How do you play religious roulette?
A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first.
F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm!
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On second thought, no. I read the apology over a few more times and it's clearly of a sarcastic nature. He's full of it.
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Re: I'M REALLY AM A F&#@#ING PRICK!
So, are you renouncing Christ?THE AMBASSADOR wrote:I'm here to grovel and beg mercy. I've been an arrogant selfrightous asshole and I deserve to to be spaced most mercilessly. In my brainwashed state of fundieness I'd been blined to reason and reality. I truly belived I knew what I was talking about but you're right, I'm a sheep who spouts the canned retoric of my "spiritual elders" and believes it for reasons beyond me but probably because I was afraid of God or eternal damnation of something, I don't really know now. I am worse than worm fecies. But having finaly had my beliefs challeged by people who aren't as weakminded as myself has made me re-evalutate my beliefs. I have seen the error of my ways and have done a lot of thinking the last few days. I don't want pity however. Flame me, spit on my ashes and piss them to the wind. But don't reject me after all the effort (or not so much really) you went through to convert me. I'm really a nice guy once I'm set straight. So even though I was (and in some ways will continue to be) a bastard prick, can we still be friends or is it too late?
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Yeah, I'm starting to think that's likely, as well. Notice how he utterly fails to mention seeing reasoning or accepting evidence, and simply sticks to making it a 'converting' issue.Durran Korr wrote:On second thought, no. I read the apology over a few more times and it's clearly of a sarcastic nature. He's full of it.
Either he's trying to bullhit us, or he totally missed the point. I'm still waiting for a sign he's actually changed, so he better post again to clear up why he was wrong, at least for the sake of the optimistic people here (don't wanna see their parade get rained on just because some prick lied to them ).
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Plus, that title shows no remorse...he seems to be saying "I'm an asshole. So?".Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Yeah, I'm starting to think that's likely, as well. Notice how he utterly fails to mention seeing reasoning or accepting evidence, and simply sticks to making it a 'converting' issue.Durran Korr wrote:On second thought, no. I read the apology over a few more times and it's clearly of a sarcastic nature. He's full of it.
Either he's trying to bullhit us, or he totally missed the point. I'm still waiting for a sign he's actually changed, so he better post again to clear up why he was wrong, at least for the sake of the optimistic people here (don't wanna see their parade get rained on just because some prick lied to them ).
Ignore him.
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Gonna Be a Southern Baptist. Music to piss off the fundies.
Q: How do you play religious roulette?
A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first.
F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm!
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course, when someone has a shift of religion, they tend to feel guilty for a while.
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They also have a reason to shift. It's very hard to believe someone can go from "I am right and I have absolutely nothing to conceed" to "I was totally wrong, piss on me and let me call you daddy" in a very short time, without showing any steps in between. He could at least explain why or how he made a 180-degree turn.Enforcer Talen wrote:course, when someone has a shift of religion, they tend to feel guilty for a while.
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Did he even respond on either of the debate threads? If he didn't than I'd be suspicious of anything he says, becuase I'd expect to see him conded on one of those threads. Have any mods run an IP check on that post?Darth Utsanomiko wrote:They also have a reason to shift. It's very hard to believe someone can go from "I am right and I have absolutely nothing to conceed" to "I was totally wrong, piss on me and let me call you daddy" in a very short time, without showing any steps in between. He could at least explain why or how he made a 180-degree turn.Enforcer Talen wrote:course, when someone has a shift of religion, they tend to feel guilty for a while.
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Q: How do you play religious roulette?
A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first.
F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm!
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Gonna Be a Southern Baptist. Music to piss off the fundies.
Q: How do you play religious roulette?
A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first.
F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm!
Support bacteria: The only culture some people have!
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Is this for real? A simple "I was wrong" would have sufficied.
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I don't understand. What was so sarcastic about my response? I wanted to explain myself so it wasn't thought that I conceded simply to give up. I wanted to to understand me and why I was doing so. And while I still truly don't know what to believe right now, I am in a transitional stage. As I look at the evidence and reasoning behind your statements I can see the logic. So I'm not the best with words or phrasing. Sorry. I'm trying.
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No one takes apologies or concessions seriously if they're filled with self-loathing statements like "I am worse than worm feces," because no one would ever say something like that unless they were joking or bullshitting. "Yes, I was wrong, and I admit it" is always preferable to, "I was wrong, I hate myself, I'm a horrible person bla bla bla" because it sounds more sincere. The latter "apology" is something you say to get your wife or girlfriend to let you sleep in the bed again. The former is a debate concession.
You were flamed because you were being an ass. Now that you've allegedly changed your ways, there is no need to keep flaming you. So just knuckle up and show us you've changed your ways.
You were flamed because you were being an ass. Now that you've allegedly changed your ways, there is no need to keep flaming you. So just knuckle up and show us you've changed your ways.
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Again I ask you: Are you now renouncing Christ?THE AMBASSADOR wrote:I don't understand. What was so sarcastic about my response? I wanted to explain myself so it wasn't thought that I conceded simply to give up. I wanted to to understand me and why I was doing so. And while I still truly don't know what to believe right now, I am in a transitional stage. As I look at the evidence and reasoning behind your statements I can see the logic. So I'm not the best with words or phrasing. Sorry. I'm trying.
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I don't know yet. I'm still looking over everything. But in light of everything else that has been proved about my beliefs lately the future of my faith is in doubt as well.jegs2 wrote:Again I ask you: Are you now renouncing Christ?
*BTW, to the rest of you, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or less than sincire. I was just thinking I could poke fun at myself in an attempt to regain favor. It didn't work and was a miscalculation on my part. I'm often accused of being caloused and rude when I wasn't meaning to be. I guess it's just way I am. And I'm trying to change that as well as I have recently seen that I tend to push people away and alienate myself due to my arrogance. I am quite lonely and have begun to realize that it's my own fault.*
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I am always for giving another chance; after all it takes no effort from us. The Ambassador is the one who will go through the effort to display change of heart, we just observe. We don't know how much of Darth Wong's site he may have looked at and contemplated recently. I myself recall some here who were former Fundie types, and I've experimented with the challenge of unproven things in science being akin to 'belief'.
Ambassador, it is very rare for a person to do such a 180-degree turn; there will be some who are suspicious of the suddeness of it. You don't have to renounce religion to be here, in fact there are quite a few people here who believe in God (I am one of them) and it creates no problems or disrespect.
Just show your sincerity and the community comes around. The caveat: Anyone trying to fool us with mock displays will end up getting burned. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Ambassador, it is very rare for a person to do such a 180-degree turn; there will be some who are suspicious of the suddeness of it. You don't have to renounce religion to be here, in fact there are quite a few people here who believe in God (I am one of them) and it creates no problems or disrespect.
Just show your sincerity and the community comes around. The caveat: Anyone trying to fool us with mock displays will end up getting burned. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
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In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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I say: give him a chance. Who cares if he really have changed his beliefs or not , so long he doesn't make an ass of himself here!
But can we still beat him?
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But can we still beat him?
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Since THE AMBASSADOR has admitted that he was wrong I think that the FM title should be removed...
...It can always be re-instated should reason to do so arise, but for now I see no harm in removing it.
THE AMBASSADOR have you read Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World? If not, run to the nearest library, get a copy and read it.
It's been way too long since I read it last...starts rummaging through the big pile of books in the corner...
BTW would it be possible to edit his name so that it won't be in all caps, it looks kinda foolish now, especially as it is so long?
...It can always be re-instated should reason to do so arise, but for now I see no harm in removing it.
THE AMBASSADOR have you read Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World? If not, run to the nearest library, get a copy and read it.
It's been way too long since I read it last...starts rummaging through the big pile of books in the corner...
BTW would it be possible to edit his name so that it won't be in all caps, it looks kinda foolish now, especially as it is so long?