Anti-American sentiments justifiable?

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-28 10:32am

No, don't need him. We got enough would-be masters of the World here.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-02-28 10:56am

Cool, Aussie vs Kiwi steel cage death match.. Winner gets Ugh Tasmania!!

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-28 03:24pm

Shinova wrote:The world dislikes/hates/disagrees with America for various reasons, and they differ from different country to country. Are these sentiments justifiable? If some are and some aren't, then elaborate.

I'd say that non-US citizens get tired of US citizens talking up the US when it isn't that great. The US's 1-12 grade educational system is the worst in the world, for instance...

And many American tourists behave like ignorant assholes in other countries, including brilliant moves like handing a clerk a huge wad of local currency and asking them to count out how much it is...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-28 03:27pm

Your supposed to kill our Tourests off damn you! Why do you think we give such huge discounts on Iran Tours! We are doing our best to lose some of the trash and you folks are not holding up on your end of the deal!

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-02-28 03:48pm

I heard that Greyhound is running a $99.00 one way Human shield discount.. That should lure the bottom feeders..

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-02-28 04:19pm

Let me put up to you the True reason why the U.S. is hated. If you go to Japan in Okinawa, what do you find? U.S. Troops

If you go to Germany, what trace of the U.S. do you find? U.S. Troops.

If you go to Saudi Arabia, what of the U.S. of A can you find? Yes, even more troops.

Israel.
Turkey.
Iceland.
Guam.

And whose troops do you find in the U.S.? Actually stationed in their own independent bases on our soil? None. The closest any nation even comes to being on our soil is being over here to receive training from the U.S.

The Sun never sets on the American Empire.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-02-28 04:22pm

Tom, do you really think these troops are there without the requests of their Gov...

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-28 04:41pm

Beside Saudi Arabia, most of the population in country where we find US Troops don't mind it to much...

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-02-28 05:59pm

So... let me get this right. We take over Japan, force them to change their constitution, have troops stationed in Okinawa, the section of Japan that has had a historical pattern of getting the short end of the stick, simply so that the rest of Japan doesn't have to deal with our troops, who run about there being <from their point of view> obnoxious, boorish, and occasionally raping a local woman. You think they actually agreed to this by something other than duress?

Wait, how about Germany. Talking to my close freind, Ruth, who was raised in germany, she could tell you that germans are taught in their schools self hatred and told many times to review hitler's mistakes. Not to mention there are <laws> that actually limit where one can show the German flag in germany, very rarely will you even see the Iron Eagle emblem.

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-02-28 06:08pm

so... point being, and I struck that submit key a little too early, taking culture into account, yes, we are engaging in the practice of Empire building, good or bad, for better of for worse.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-28 06:58pm

Vympel wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote: Your from Aussie an you critisize our ability to deploy somewhere? Sorry buts thats laughable. Our armed forces can occupiy a pub and the brewry while your lot are trying to work out which ship they put the mobile sheep harem on.
Sheep jokes?! From a New Zealander?!

THE SKY IS FALLING!

The Aussie Brass wouldnt let your army bring its sisters and mothers.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-28 07:00pm

theski wrote:Cool, Aussie vs Kiwi steel cage death match.. Winner gets Ugh Tasmania!!

Tasmania?!? Australaia does not want Tassie, leatalone New Zealand..

Tom_Aurum · Post by **Tom_Aurum** » 2003-02-28 08:52pm

Okay kids, back on topic. America. Bad or Good. Trying to be Empire.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-28 10:13pm

Tom_Aurum wrote:Okay kids, back on topic. America. Bad or Good. Trying to be Empire.

Saying America is good OR evil is a childish point of view. Some Americans want to establish a Pax America on the World, no doubt on that. One could include Bush & Co in that lot.

But I'll take a thousand George W. Bush before I'll take one Saddam Hussein.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-02-28 10:14pm

And Saddam must go! Trying to contain him until his death (like so many pacifists want) will only prolong the suffering of the Iraki people. One of the last weapon of destruction that Saddam Hussein still have is Fear, fear over his people.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-02-28 10:26pm

Enricko wrote:
Tom_Aurum wrote:Okay kids, back on topic. America. Bad or Good. Trying to be Empire.
Saying America is good OR evil is a childish point of view. Some Americans want to establish a Pax America on the World, no doubt on that. One could include Bush & Co in that lot.

But I'll take a thousand George W. Bush before I'll take one Saddam Hussein.

Agreed...And not all Amerians agree with Bush.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-01 12:01am

theski wrote:Cool, Aussie vs Kiwi steel cage death match.. Winner gets Ugh Tasmania!!

Tasmania is Australian! [allegedly] And shall forever remain that way! [unless it doesn't]

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-01 12:14am

weemadando wrote:
theski wrote:Cool, Aussie vs Kiwi steel cage death match.. Winner gets Ugh Tasmania!!

Tasmania is Australian! [allegedly] And shall forever remain that way! [unless it doesn't]

Well we dont want it..the rest of Aussie we shall have..and we shall name it West Island...

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-01 12:23am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I remember posting that I had conquered Australia as Brazil in a game of Superpower, and one of the resident Aussies gave me an earful. Hey, look at it this way: I didn't consider NZ to be WORTH conquering. Hehehe.

lol.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-01 04:15am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Don't get me wrong, you have a good standard of living, but I still can't milk as much cash from you as I can from a shithole with a really large population like India.

*sigh*

I feel another Superpower bender coming on, buggy hunk of crap that the game is. When last I left off, it was 2033 and America had fallen into economic ruin and dictatorship, lost a war with all of Europe, and been occupied by the UK. My Brazil had become the richest nation in the history of the world, with zero taxes in the homeland, and all the money coming from conquered subjects. Like China. Heh heh.

Actually, where can I get this game from? is it free or must I purloin it?

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-03-01 05:25am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:Someone naysayer will be along shortly to tell you it blows, and honestly it plays like a buggy early-beta version of a really sweet game, but it's given me more than my thirty bucks worth so I can't complain. I picked it up in the local Best Buy, but over there in NZ you might have to order it online. It goes by the name Global Power in Europe, FYI. The website is here: www.golemlabs.com

Interesting, I shall be sure to..aquire..it

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-03-02 08:04pm

I don't care that people hate America for legitimate wrongs it has committed. Of those things, as an American, I am ashamed.

However, its those people who blame ME or every single American for things we had no control over (like slavery a hundred years ago, taking land away from Indians, etc) or stuff that big corporations do (that I have no control over) or stuff done by elected officials (who I didn't vote for, and even if I did, that doesn't mean they can only act if I agree 100% with them).

I think that some of the hatred of America is based on bigotry and stereotypes, much as some of the hatred in America of other countries or groups is based on that, and misinformation. For example, I'm plenty of people who've watched "Baywatch" or seen Howard Stern has probably thought that America was a cesspool of imorality. We get criticized for all kinds of crap, regardless of our intentions.. the way we dress, the food we eat, the way we talk (backward savages who don't speak "the King's English" or use the metric system exclusively) the music/movies and other entertainment we have, the way we treat "our" women, etc.

For example, Osama Bin Laden's justification for killing American citizens is that we pay taxes (which support our government then does immoral things in his eyes, like sponsor moderate Muslim governments and Israel, and protect oil interests in the middle east). Of course, if a person doesn't pay their taxes here, they go to jail (often to get sodomized or beaten up by some loser).

Some of it is justifiable, but again, it isn't a blank check for bigotry or terrorism. One might as well blame all people of German ancestry for what those guys did in the 1930-40's.

Though, I hear that in some countries, McDonalds food is actually better prepared and uses better ingredients, hence it tastes better. Lucky bums.. ; )

including brilliant moves like handing a clerk a huge wad of local currency and asking them to count out how much it is...

Heh, not everywhere. When I was in Canada people were happy to get their hands on American money, considering how much it was worth. And I read in the paper who a guy got mugged, but when the mugger found out he had only Canadian money, he just said "Forget it, I never touch that stuff."

And don't think we don't get a$$hole tourists... ; p

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-03-03 11:31am

Kurgan wrote:Though, I hear that in some countries, McDonalds food is actually better prepared and uses better ingredients, hence it tastes better. Lucky bums.. ; )

Kentucky Fried Chicken here is pretty good. That's because we don't leave chickens frozen somewhere for 3+ years, then spend 12 hours trying to defrost it, and feed them with so many hormones to make them fat and mass-reproduce... years ago some of my family traveled to the US and tried the KFC and said it tasted like old newspaper. Blerg

I also heard that apples there are very tasteless, because they are created to be extra-red and shiny and round and flawless, not caring whether that makes it taste like raw potato... Why do you people care so much about how food looks instead of how it tastes?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-03-03 11:34am

BTW my personal experience is that McDonalds sucks equally all over the world

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-03 12:12pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Though, I hear that in some countries, McDonalds food is actually better prepared and uses better ingredients, hence it tastes better. Lucky bums.. ; )
Kentucky Fried Chicken here is pretty good. That's because we don't leave chickens frozen somewhere for 3+ years, then spend 12 hours trying to defrost it, and feed them with so many hormones to make them fat and mass-reproduce... years ago some of my family traveled to the US and tried the KFC and said it tasted like old newspaper. Blerg

I also heard that apples there are very tasteless, because they are created to be extra-red and shiny and round and flawless, not caring whether that makes it taste like raw potato... Why do you people care so much about how food looks instead of how it tastes?

Food quality varies a great deal in the US. I haven't had a decent tomato since I left Ohio.
KFC is hit or miss, sometimes individual locations are better than others.
Finding fresh produce is never a problem, but like you said, it can be tasteless. Buying things out of season just because they're available doesn't mean you should, it's a waste of money.

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