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In a special House election carefully watched by national political strategists, Democrat Kathy Hochul won what had been a Republican seat Tuesday in upstate New York, lifting Democrats’ hopes for the 2012 campaign.

As her campaign’s centerpiece, Hochul attacked changes in the Medicare program proposed by House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan.

“I will fight any plan that tries to decimate Medicare — that is something people in this district feel passionately about and I do as well,” Hochul said in a debate last week with Republican opponent Jane Corwin, who supported the Ryan budget plan.

Hochul captured 47 percent of the vote, Corwin 43 percent. Also on the ballot was a Democrat-turned-Tea Party candidate, Jack Davis, who took 9 percent.

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Celebrating victory, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Rep. Steve Israel said, "Even in one of the most Republican districts, seniors and independent voters rejected the Republican plan to end Medicare."

There will be two more special House elections this year to fill vacancies, one in California in July, for a seat held by Democrat Jane Harman, and another in Nevada in September for the seat vacated by Republican Dean Heller, who he was appointed to the Senate to replace John Ensign.

Where Republican stood on Ryan plan
Corwin accused Hochul of using “a political scare tactic” to panic voters about the Ryan plan.

She cited the recent report from the Medicare trustees that the hospital insurance part of Medicare would be insolvent by 2024 as the reason to redesign it.

Ryan’s redesign of Medicare, with federally subsidized premiums for private insurance, would take effect for people who are now under age 55.

The House passed Ryan’s plan on April 15 with no Democrats voting for it and only four Republicans voting against it.

In a speech Monday at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer praised Ryan as "courageous" for addressing the entitlements issue, even though he disagreed with the specifics of Ryan’s proposal.

After Tuesday’s results in New York, other Republicans may not want to be so "courageous."

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Hochul will fill the vacancy created when Republican Rep. Chris Lee quit after a sex scandal.

Reuters reported that House Republican Leader Eric Cantor on Monday had disputed the idea that the New York election was a referendum on Medicare.

"This race is about the fact that it's a three-way race," Cantor told reporters. "I do not think it can be seen as a signal as to the role of the budget reforms that we have proposed, including Medicare."

Republicans could take some solace from the fact that it was a three-way race, making it a more ambiguous indicator than a pure head-to-head contest.

But it couldn’t be anything other than unsettling for Republicans to lose what had been a GOP seat since Jack Kemp held it in the 1970s.

The district may be substantially reshaped or even eliminated by redistricting now under way in New York, since the state is losing two House seats.

In the 2008 presidential election Republican John McCain carried the district with 52 percent and in 2004 George W. Bush won it with 55 percent.

Republican: Don't ascribe deep meaning
Last Friday Jonathan Collegio, a spokesman for the conservative group American Crossroads, said, “This race is competitive because a phony Tea Party candidate (Davis) is spending millions of dollars purposefully confusing voters in an attempt to split the Republican vote … Let’s not be silly and ascribe deep ideological meaning to an atypical three-way House race in upstate New York.”

American Crossroads invested $700,000 in advertising and phone calls in the race.

In a statement after Corwin's loss, the group said the debate over whether Medicare affected the outcome more than Davis being on the ballot “is mostly a partisan Rorschach Test. What is clear is that this election is a wake-up call for anyone who thinks that 2012 will be just like 2010. It’s going to be a tougher environment, Democrats will be more competitive, and we need to play at the top of our game to win big next year.”

In addition to American Crossroads, the two political parties and outside groups also invested millions of dollars in the race.

Helping boost Hochul were a Democratic group called House Majority PAC with more than $370,000, the Communication Workers of America with $110,000, and the Service Employees International Union with more than $15,000.

Corwin loaned her campaign nearly $2 million of her own fortune, made from her family’s telephone directory business.

Davis, an industrialist, spent more than $2.6 million from his own fortune on the race. Federal Election Commission records showed that Davis received no campaign contributions; his campaign was entirely self-financed.

Running as a Democrat in 2006, Davis spent $2.2 million of his own money and running again as a Democrat in 2008 he spent $3.9 million of his own money. On his campaign web site he said he had “been a Republican most of my life. I voted for Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan (twice).”

Special elections that result in party switches do have predictive value, according to research by Tom Brunell, professor of political science at the University of Texas at Dallas and graduate student David Smith. The two researchers studied every House special election between 1900 and 2008.

They found that for every net seat gain by a party in a special election, the party can expect to pick up on average more than six seats in the following general election.
There was a Tea Party candidate in the race, but it was pretty much a referendum on Medicare, and the Dems won big. The Republican candidate came out in favor of the Ryan plan, and lost as a result. Let's see what this holds in store for 2012.

As an aside, I have a buddy whose last name is Ryan, and he absolutely HATES that this has gotten his name associated with the Republicans.
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I felt a little guilty about not contributing to this race when the campaign donation circular came round; I'm glad she won.
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Always good to see a Tea bagger lose an election. Hopefully this continues next year.
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You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
An oversight on my part. Replace "Tea bagger" with "Republican/radical Right-winger" and the sentiment is largely unchanged.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
In reality, the difference is marginal compared to the normal political spectrum (even for America). Both had pretty radical right proposals for the country.
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To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit dumbfounded.

The Republicans rode into the 2010 midterms partly using the slogan that Obamacare was going to "destroy" Medicare. Now they have proposed a plan which will more or less destroy Medicare (for under 55's) and now surprised that it's unpopular? Seriously? I never cared much for their policies or agenda but I never thought they were actually this politically stupid.

They even asked Obama to ask Democrats to stop using the "Republicans want to destroy Medicare" rhetoric...honestly, that's hilarious.
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bobalot wrote:To be perfectly honest, I'm a bit dumbfounded.

The Republicans rode into the 2010 midterms partly using the slogan that Obamacare was going to "destroy" Medicare. Now they have proposed a plan which will more or less destroy Medicare (for under 55's) and now surprised that it's unpopular? Seriously? I never cared much for their policies or agenda but I never thought they were actually this politically stupid.

They even asked Obama to ask Democrats to stop using the "Republicans want to destroy Medicare" rhetoric...honestly, that's hilarious.
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The backlash over the Ryanplan continues as the GOP long term strategy of rampant fear mongering blows up in their face and people realize that passing "Obamacare" did NOT in fact bring about the end of the world as we know it. But perhaps JUST perhaps people are realizing they actually LIKE 'Obamacare'
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent – Tue May 24, 10:56 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Little more than a month after they backed sweeping changes to Medicare, Republicans are on the political defensive, losing a House seat long in their possession and exhibiting significant internal strains for the first time since last fall's election gains.

"We've got to get beyond this," Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said recently after several days of back and forth over the proposal he authored and included in the budget that cleared on a party line vote. "And we've got to get onto a serious conversation about what it takes to fix the fiscal problems in this country."

Under Ryan's proposal, Medicare would remain unchanged for those 55 or older, including the millions who now receive health care under the program. Anyone younger would be required to obtain coverage from a private insurer, with the government providing a subsidy to cover part of the cost of premiums.

In the weeks since the budget cleared, President Barack Obama led a Democratic attack and GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich sharply criticized Ryan's proposal before apologizing a day or two later.

On Tuesday night, Republicans suffered a reversal at the ballot box, losing a House seat long in their possession in upstate New York. The Democratic winner in the multi-candidate race, Kathy Hochul, attacked her Republican rival over Medicare.

Her party and its allies did the same and promised much more of the same strategy in 2012, as Republicans insisted they were not worried.
"To predict the future based on the results of this unusual race is naive and risky," Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas, chairman of the House Republican campaign committee, said in a statement that made no mention of Medicare.

While defending his plan in Wisconsin and nationally, Ryan said he is open to changes, and a Senate vote tentatively set for this week on rival budgets has produced two Republican defections so far. Additionally, Republicans say they know of no plans to seek passage of legislation to implement the proposal.
With Congress just back from a week's vacation, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., indicated Monday that Republicans want to change the subject. Without mentioning Medicare, he said the House majority has been focusing recently on "how to address the deficit (by) cutting back on the expenditures."
Now, he said, the GOP will present a "growth agenda."

Several strategists in both parties said in recent interviews the Republican proposals for Medicare are viewed more favorably when they are presented as part of a larger effort to fix the economy and create jobs.

For their part, Obama and other Democrats criticize the GOP proposal in narrow terms, an attack on a program that provides health care to millions.
Obama called the approach radical — the same term Gingrich used. Republicans want "to end Medicare as we know it," the president told an audience of invited guests, Ryan and other GOP lawmakers among them.

Privately, Republicans cite polling suggesting the Democratic charges are finding a receptive audience.
In one private poll circulated among Republicans in the past few weeks, 46 percent of those surveyed said they believed the GOP blueprint would reduce benefits for those over 55, including current beneficiaries. Another 41 percent said they believed it would not.

Beyond the polling and the rhetoric, Democrats seized on the special House election in a conservative New York district between Rochester and Buffalo to test-market their attacks.
The Democratic candidate, Kathy Hochul, aired ads that said she wants to reduce government spending, but Republican rival Jane Corwin favors Medicare cuts "to pay for more tax cuts for multimillionaires." The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and an outside group, the House Majority PAC, aired ads making a similar charge.
Corwin counterattacked, accusing Hochul of wanting to cut Social Security as well as Medicare.

Fearing defeat, the National Republican Congressional Committee has spent more than $400,000 on campaign activities. It aired an ad reminiscent of commercials that aired in 2010, and linked Hochul to House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi.

In addition, American Crossroads, a GOP-aligned group, has spent nearly $700,000, much of it attacking Jack Davis, the third candidate in the race. A one-time Democrat, he ran as a tea party advocate.

"Jack Davis' presence is the only reason this is a competitive race," Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the National Republican Campaign Committee, said before the polls closed.
He said Medicare had not had an impact except that "Jane Corwin has shown that Republicans need to fight back on Medicare and call Democrats out for their scare tactics."
Democrats disputed that.

"I'm not saying we're going to win this but the fact that this is a competitive race in one of the most Republican districts in the country shows how Medicare is shaping" the campaign, Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said before the results were known.
The issue "was a game changer," he said.

Win or lose, Democrats say they intend to take the issue into the 2012 campaign.

"This is a vote tabulation that you will see over and over again," Pelosi, D-Calif., said recently, referring to the 235-193 roll call that passed the budget. Only four Republicans opposed the measure, and no Democrats voted in its favor.


Ryan said last weekend he would "of course" be amenable to changing his proposal, and added, "This is the legislative process. But let's be clear: We are the only ones who have put out a plan to fix this problem" of soaring federal debt.

While Democrats have been relentless in attacking the proposal, Gingrich stirred controversy when he contrasted Ryan's approach to the new health care law Obama won from Congress.
"I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a good way for a free society to operate," he said.
Criticized by fellow conservatives, Gingrich called Ryan to apologize. But a week later, he said he still opposes the Wisconsin lawmaker's call for denying those under 55 access to the current Medicare system.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
Declarations aside, he wasn't really a teabagging candidate in the usual mold. More of a self-funded loon. He ran as a Democrat as recently as 2006.
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Slacker wrote: There was a Tea Party candidate in the race, but it was pretty much a referendum on Medicare, and the Dems won big. The Republican candidate came out in favor of the Ryan plan, and lost as a result. Let's see what this holds in store for 2012.


Am I going to have to copy and paste the cartoon from the Political Cartoons thread mocking people who said the 2009 elections were referendums on Obama?
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Lonestar wrote:

Am I going to have to copy and paste the cartoon from the Political Cartoons thread mocking people who said the 2009 elections were referendums on Obama?

In fact, you know what? Here it is:

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Lonestar wrote: Am I going to have to copy and paste the cartoon from the Political Cartoons thread mocking people who said the 2009 elections were referendums on Obama?
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Darth Fanboy wrote:You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
Declarations aside, he wasn't really a teabagging candidate in the usual mold. More of a self-funded loon. He ran as a Democrat as recently as 2006.
Which changes what im saying......not at all. The fact is that the Democrat won by less than half of what the other right wing candidate got. If he doesn't siphon some of the vote we could be discussing a republican win.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:
erik_t wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:You do realize RR that the tea party candidate was not the primary Republican candidate right? Or are you just trying to maintain left-cred here on this board? I'm very glad that a Tea Party candidate took nine percent of a vote away from a Republican candidate in a close race.
Declarations aside, he wasn't really a teabagging candidate in the usual mold. More of a self-funded loon. He ran as a Democrat as recently as 2006.
Which changes what im saying......not at all. The fact is that the Democrat won by less than half of what the other right wing candidate got. If he doesn't siphon some of the vote we could be discussing a republican win.
So dumbass, that means that if Davis wasn't in the race, Hochul would still have won. PPP says Davis won 16% of the Republican vote, but also 8% of the Democratic vote. If you add those numbers to the candidates vote totals, Hochul gets over 50%, and an outright win.
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And that same article that you posted states that Davis' presence in the race gave Hochul a good edge, which was the point I was making.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:And that same article that you posted states that Davis' presence in the race gave Hochul a good edge, which was the point I was making.
No, that's not what you said. You said:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Which changes what im saying......not at all. The fact is that the Democrat won by less than half of what the other right wing candidate got. If he doesn't siphon some of the vote we could be discussing a republican win.
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