The Salvation War - Lords of War not going to be written?

[SpaceMarine93]

Okay, many people would probably already known about this awesome online novel series known as The Salvation War. For those few who don't know what it is (this I doubt): It is a Mockumentary trilogy that premiered online in the beginning of 2008, asking a simple question: what if God announced that everyone's time was up, and that Lucifer was coming to claim the bodies and souls of everyone on earth?

The answer author Stuart Slade gives: the governments of the world declare war on Heaven and Hell.

The first book, Armageddon???, follows the fight against the forces of Hell, and then Pantheocide the one against Heaven itself.

From The Amazing Randi trying to discover how to peer into Hell, to the rampaging demons that appear in civilian areas around the world, to the worldwide mobilization for war, the story covers a worldwide stage.

The second volume, Pantheocide, concerns the war with Heaven and shows that the forces of Heaven are far better commanded and more dangerous than the forces of Hell.

Now, the two novels are finished, and the third one, The Lords of War, is reportedly coming out sometime this Summer. It would round up all the open storylines from the previous two novels, exploring among other things the reprecussions of Humanity's victory, the other pantheons such as Aesir and the Olympians in other bubble worlds, Belial's and other groups of resistance from Hell and Heaven, where animals go in the afterlife etc.

...That is, except something terrible had happened.

Originally Slade was planning to publish the novels by a mainstream publisher; an agreement had been signed and work on converting the text to a full book was far advanced.

However, in the last possible moment, the project was deliberately destroyed by a Ukrainian religious fundamentalist named Cholnik who pirated the books, putting them out as an illegal torrent. He openly admits he did this to sabotage any possibility of them being published in book form since "they offended his religion". He was successful, the torrent rendered both books in the TSW series unpublishable and the publisher (who had already made significant investments in getting them ready for publication) dropped out. With any possibility of financial return from the TSW series destroyed, it's unlikely the third book will be written.

Lords of War is probably not coming out, but that doesn't mean it might not come out. So please, if anyone out there knows anything about The Salvation War sequels coming up, please let me know. I am a very persistent fan, and I would like to see this saga ruined by some [CENSORED] Orthodox Christian fanatic [CENSORED].

[Guardsman Bass]

It's dead. Stuart has said so here, and he went into more detail over at HPCA.

It's pretty much dead over here, too. Mayabird closed the discussion thread after three warnings to not raise the issue of torrenting/copyrights, and no one really wants to re-start discussion of it.

[Eternal_Freedom]

SHIT. Bastard fundies.

[GeorgeOrr]

It's dead because Stuart is butthurt that someone copy and pasted his work when he was stupid enough to put it up publicly. He was so upset that he played Internet Tough Guy to scare some Ukrainian kid into thinking he would be extradited to the U.S. to be prosecuted for copyright infringement. The sum it up: Stuart is a massive pussy.

[SpaceMarine93]

FUCK SHIT DAMMIT! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK - [10 minutes later] - DAMMIT!!!

Alright, alright. So its dead. No more sequels whatsoever. That's fine. Change of topic. Is anyone here have an idea on how to continue the Salvation War storyline, assuming somebody decides to write a fanfic about it? There's already one attempt which goes by the name of "Don't wake me when I am quiet" But it is just a sidestory which takes place in ARMAGEDDON????. I want a read, and maybe write a story, which takes place sometime (months, years?) after Pantheocide that does what Lords of War is suppose to do - exploring the aftermath of the War, the occupation's impact on Angels and Demons, possible social consequences such as racism / cultural and economic impact, the Human Expeditionary Army finding other bubble worlds and their gods in various stages of development maybe. Perhaps seeing if Belial could finally get his revenge on Euryale, possible insurrections in Heaven and Hell by their populations etc. So, any ideas?

[SpaceMarine93]

It's dead because Stuart is butthurt that someone copy and pasted his work when he was stupid enough to put it up publicly. He was so upset that he played Internet Tough Guy to scare some Ukrainian kid into thinking he would be extradited to the U.S. to be prosecuted for copyright infringement. The sum it up: Stuart is a massive pussy.

Don't you dare! He has every right to do that. If I haven't been a law abiding citizen, I might consider going personally to Ukraine to hunt that guy down and deal with him! Let see how his version of God going to protect him from a steel boot to his nuts!

[SpaceMarine93]

You know what? I'm going to write my own fanfic.

[Stravo]

It's dead because Stuart is butthurt that someone copy and pasted his work when he was stupid enough to put it up publicly. He was so upset that he played Internet Tough Guy to scare some Ukrainian kid into thinking he would be extradited to the U.S. to be prosecuted for copyright infringement. The sum it up: Stuart is a massive pussy.

Don't you dare! He has every right to do that. If I haven't been a law abiding citizen, I might consider going personally to Ukraine to hunt that guy down and deal with him! Let see how his version of God going to protect him from a steel boot to his nuts!

Seriously!? He had every right to hound a kid who had the unmitigated gall to pass his work around to others to see, a work that was freely and publically available online? And now you feel so angry about it that you want to physically assault someone you never met who did nothing wrong except piss off some internet author? Nice.

[NecronLord]

Stupid Internet Tough-Guy ism is no more tolerable here than it is in N&P. Cease it.

[SpaceMarine93]

sorry

[Eternal_Freedom]

If that tough guy comment included me I apologise as well.

Either way it still sucks.

[SpaceMarine93]

Seriously!? He had every right to hound a kid who had the unmitigated gall to pass his work around to others to see, a work that was freely and publically available online? And now you feel so angry about it that you want to physically assault someone you never met who did nothing wrong except piss off some internet author? Nice.

It was just a metaphorical reflection of my outrage. And yes, I still got a bit of anger and maturity management issue to sort out. I apologize for it.

Yes, its free, but it wasn't torrented then. So I would fully expect Stuart would really want to publish it and earn a buck

I would assume you don't like his work?

[SpaceMarine93]

Now that issue's past, anyone here have ideas for a continuation fanfic?

[GeorgeOrr]

So I would fully expect Stuart would really want to publish it and earn a buck

From what I've read from a user here who has experience, he would still be able to, but as I said, he's butthurt.

I would assume you don't like his work?

I don't, no. The Toad is a terrible writer and his story is simply uninteresting. There's also the fact that he likes to use "classified" to cover up when he's called out on bullshit.

[LadyTevar]

SpaceMarine, unless Stuart comes back and decides to finish it, Salvation War is dead. Move along, find a new topic to discuss.

[fgalkin]

It's dead because Stuart is butthurt that someone copy and pasted his work when he was stupid enough to put it up publicly. He was so upset that he played Internet Tough Guy to scare some Ukrainian kid into thinking he would be extradited to the U.S. to be prosecuted for copyright infringement. The sum it up: Stuart is a massive pussy.

Don't you dare! He has every right to do that. If I haven't been a law abiding citizen, I might consider going personally to Ukraine to hunt that guy down and deal with him! Let see how his version of God going to protect him from a steel boot to his nuts!

Stuart lied massively about the torrent destroying his chances of publication. Stuart lied about the identity of the kid, and him being a Ukrainian fundamentalist (besides, Ukraine has very fundamentalists, except those converted by American missionaries). For a time, he had been on the verge of a ban for flagrantly violating the "serious lies" rule.

Your tough guy-ism is uncalled for and juvenile, while your taste in reading materials is questionable, at best.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[PhilosopherOfSorts]

You know what? I'm going to write my own fanfic.

With blackjack, and hookers. Y'know what, screw the fanfic. /[bender]

[Bob the Gunslinger]

SHIT. Bastard fundies.

Fundies aren't the only people who hate shitty writing. Most of the atheists I know who are aware of Armageddon??!?! hate it, too. It's hard to take it seriously once you get past "Balls".

I only made it through Chapter One (well, most of the way through) with Uraniun's help.

[Eternal_Freedom]

It may not have been the best story I've read, but I've read much worse, and I kinda enjoyed it. Whilst I never expected a sequel to Pantheocide, to learn that one was considered then shot down is annoying.

[Ford Prefect]

It is a Mockumentary

The Salvation War series is only a 'mockumentary' or 'documentary' if you hallucinate a complete different body of text. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's not fucking David Attenborough.

[Guardsman Bass]

I liked it. There were parts I quibbled with, but the actual concept - a War against Hell - was pretty cool.

Pantheocide was a bit more hit-or-miss. There were some parts that were extremely awesome, and a lot that wasn't so interesting to read.
Spoiler

Uriel's demise-by-laser was my favorite part of the whole story.

On the other hand, there was the whole "invaded Thailand" segment that was boring to read.

I did notice a lot of writing quirks (which I've also noticed in his TBO books).

[Kingmaker]

What is this shit I keep seeing about The Salvation War being a mockumentary? Maybe I suffered severe textual hallucinations whilst reading it (a distinct possibility, giving the quality), but at no point did it appear to deviate from standard third person narration.

TSW (well, Armageddon. I didn't dare read Pantheocide for fear that my brain would turn to shit my little fundie head would explode from the horror) has a moderately interesting premise for a short story, but its execution resulted in a gigantic steaming pile of shit that was as well received as it was chiefly because it pandered shamelessly to the gun-fucking atheist crowd.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go troll TSW's tvtropes page.

[weemadando]

Now that issue's past, anyone here have ideas for a continuation fanfic?

Don't you mean: "any ideas for a continuation fanfic???????"

You gotta have that punctuation son. That's how people know you're a real author.

[Shroom Man 777]

I made a spin-off.

[SpaceMarine93]

TSW (well, Armageddon. I didn't dare read Pantheocide for fear that my brain would turn to shit my little fundie head would explode from the horror) has a moderately interesting premise for a short story, but its execution resulted in a gigantic steaming pile of shit that was as well received as it was chiefly because it pandered shamelessly to the gun-fucking atheist crowd.

And what, exactly, is the problem with that?