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Plastic bag makers sue reusable bag manufacturers

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Plastic Bag Giants Sue Reusable Bag Entrepreneur for Loss of Sales
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Posted on: May 31, 2011 3:21 PM, by coby

Watch for more of this kind of stuff as green prducts and technologies grow! And along the same vein, did anyone else note that Saudia Arabia brought up the idea of their being entitled to compensation for lost revenue in any kind of a global oil consumption control agreement? I think this came up at Copenhagen. Is there an Arabic word for "chutzpah"?

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Chico, California - The ChicoBag Company, a reusable bag company, has announced it is the sole defendant in a lawsuit filed by Hilex Poly Company, LLC, Superbag Operating, LTD., and Advance Polybag, Inc.; three of the largest domestic manufacturers of disposable single-use plastic bags, on the grounds that ChicoBag has "irreparably harmed" their business.

The plaintiffs point to ChicoBag's Learn The Facts Page which provides well sourced and widely accepted information regarding the consumption and environmental impacts of single-use plastics, accusing ChicoBag of false advertising and unfair competition. The plaintiffs specifically take issue with the following statements in their lawsuit:

"A reusable bag needs only to be used eleven times to have a lower environmental impact than using eleven disposable bags." Source: EPA

"Only one percent of plastic bags are recycled." Source: EPA

"Somewhere between 500 billion and a trillion plastic bags are consumed worldwide each year." Source: National Geographic

"The world's largest landfill can be found floating between Hawaii and San Francisco. Wind and sea currents carry marine debris from all over the world to what is now known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. This 'landfill' is estimated to be twice the size of Texas and thousands of pounds of our discarded trash, mostly plastics." Source: National Geographic

"Each year hundreds of thousands of sea birds and marine life die from ingestible plastics mistaken for food." Source: L.A. Times



Interestingly, ChicoBag is not the original publisher of the disputed statements. This information has been used in hundreds of publications, news stories and websites over many years. The ChicoBag Company is one of the few organizations that actually provides documented sources for the facts they use on their website.
ChicoBag was not aware the EPA, for example, had removed their article. Upon notice, ChicoBag immediately updated its website to reflect updated sources, and continues to promote what the industry itself admits - that we can reduce consumption, that many more bags could and should be recycled, and that plastic bags don't belong in our oceans, streams, hanging in trees, strewn along our highways, or in the food chain of animals. "Because of this, I don't think this lawsuit is really about the facts, I believe it is simply a way for the industry to squash the competition and scare all of us into silence," stated Andy Keller, inventor of ChicoBag and president of the company.

Keller is a leader in the movement to reduce single-use bag waste and is well known for his "Bag Monster®" character and environmentally themed blog, www.bagmonster.com. Each Bag Monster costume is decked out with 500 plastic bags, a walking ball of bags representing the average number of single-use bags an American uses annually. "The Bag Monster makes people laugh and realize how many bags they use. Most people are shocked by the Bag Monster and quickly realize they can use significantly less" says Keller. While the Bag Monster is not specifically mentioned in the lawsuit, its success may have made Keller a target of the industry.

The lawsuit against Keller's company was filed in South Carolina, a state that has no anti-SLAPP laws. A SLAPP suit (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) is intended to censor, intimidate and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.

In an effort to understand how this lawsuit fits into the larger strategy of the plastics industry, Keller began investigating the history of industry's litigation tactics, and uncovered a long and largely untold story of conflict between the public and the now ubiquitous plastic bag. In a recent blog post, Keller published his discovery, helping to put this most recent lawsuit into context.

Keller found that lawsuits and lobbyists are not new to the plastics industry. In fact, in 2007, these same plaintiffs effectively stopped the financially strapped City of Oakland from moving forward with their plan to phase out single-use plastic bags. As public awareness grew, the Save the Plastic Bag Coalition was formed with membership including Hilex Poly. Thus far, the coalition has filed lawsuits against the communities of Marin County, Palo Alto, Manhattan Beach, and Los Angeles County.

In response to the industry tactics, Keller stated: "Plastic bag manufacturers and their 'non-profit' associations, along with their trade association, the American Chemistry Council, have spent millions of dollars trying to persuade voters and elected officials to vote against single-use bag legislation. They have even funded and promoted 'scientific' studies questioning the safety and efficacy of reusable bags, fueling sensational news stories across the country, presumably aimed to slow the growth of the reusable bag industry. Sadly, this lawsuit will cost millions and is a complete waste of money. If the plastics industry spent a fraction of the money they have spent on lawyers and lobbyists, actually addressing the legitimate environmental issues, perhaps they wouldn't have to rely on desperate attacks on small business."

Industry strategy aside, the lawsuit alleges that ChicoBag is responsible for lost sales and has caused irreparable harm to their business. While ChicoBag denies it is the cause, it may be true that these single-use bag companies are losing business. In the 2009 U.S. International Trade Commission's Report, the shipments of U.S. produced bags decreased 2% (from 66.5 to 64.4%) between 2007 and 2008. However, shipments of single-use plastic bags from foreign countries into the U.S. increased by 2% (from 33.5 to 35.6%) during that same time period.

Mr. Keller went on to comment, "If these figures are accurate, (and the plastic bag manufacturers themselves depend on these numbers), then perhaps these bag manufacturers should look to foreign manufacturers and their own business practices, not ChicoBag, as the reasons for lower revenues."
About ChicoBag™

In 2004, ChicoBag founder Andy Keller took a trip to his local landfill after spending the day landscaping his backyard. He was horrified by how many single-use bags filled the scene. Plastic bags blanketed the landscape in a thin mix of white and beige plastic. Keller vowed to kick his single-use bag habit. Inspired, Andy dropped a few bucks on a secondhand sewing machine and began sewing what would ultimately become the first ChicoBag. Now, ChicoBag is an industry leader in the reusable bag movement and a leading innovator of compact reusable bags and packs that easily stuff into an integrated pouch.
Well, this is a bit disgusting. So it appears that if you innovate and come up with something new and better than what was used before, you can be sued.

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Do we have evidence that reusable bags are used at least 11 times on average?
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I would think that this lawsuit will founder on the twin reefs of "truth can't be libel" and the infamous 'buggy-whip precedent.' On the one hand, you can't sue someone for saying things about your business that are true, not under US law; on the other hand, you can't sue on the grounds that someone just made your business obsolete.

I doubt US corporations would want to alter that second precedent, since a lot of them could themselves be targets of a lot of opportunistic "you cost us revenue by making our business model obsolete!" lawsuits.

Of course, hand in hand with this is the danger that the deep pockets of the plastic bag companies will allow them to contest the lawsuit effectively enough to deter people from making reusable bags. Good jurisprudence would block that too, by dismissing the suit as quickly as possible, or so I would think.
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It should be considered a law of life. You can't do things that people with money don't like and not end up in court.
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To an extent, yes. But as I said, good jurisprudence would seek to get rid of this kind of suit as fast as possible, because it's a blatant move by existing corporations to protect their oligopoly from social and economic change. Buggy whip manufacturers do not get to sue automobile manufacturers for loss of revenue.
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I can't imagine a concept more anti-capitalist than suing a rival for being competitive and successful.

Did Henry Ford sue General Motors for making the Model T obsolescent? No, he shut down, re-tooled, and brought out the Model A...

No doubt some post-September 11th conservatard would call me a dangerous leftist for saying something like that. :P
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Frank Hipper wrote:I can't imagine a concept more anti-capitalist than suing a rival for being competitive and successful.

Did Henry Ford sue General Motors for making the Model T obsolescent? No, he shut down, re-tooled, and brought out the Model A...

No doubt some post-September 11th conservatard would call me a dangerous leftist for saying something like that. :P
Don't forget, America is a country where big business doesn't want government to DARE interefere... unless they need government money.

Seriously though this makes GREAT capitalist sense (at least the way its defined in America) - if someone is daring to endanger your profit margin you use whatever means you can to bury and/or crush them.
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Plastic bag makers in Europe have also went up in arms over bans on non-biodegradable plastic bags that several countries started introducing mid-decade.

Now the European Comission is considering an outright EU-wide ban on those. I am looking forward to seeing plastic bag makers squirm :D
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I split out a vast number of posts from this thread, specifically the ones where people said, "I use X". This thread is about the standing competitive and legal issues of the OP, not your own personal grocery habits.
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Boo fucking hoo. I can understand the plastic bag makers being worried about their profits (and the jobs of their employees) - but you just don't get to sue someone for having a product that people want to buy more than yours.

I wonder if there's any room for a countersuit?
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Molyneux wrote:Boo fucking hoo. I can understand the plastic bag makers being worried about their profits (and the jobs of their employees) - but you just don't get to sue someone for having a product that people want to buy more than yours.

I wonder if there's any room for a countersuit?
Likely not, at least not from the manufacturer. As stated in the OP this is a lawsuit designed to hit someone who usually can't afford a defense, let alone a countersuit, to force them to settle or give up. It's disgusting.
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I have rescued the posts from this thread that were improperly barreled. Carry on.

With Dalton's approval, I have re-barreled some of the posts. Also split out some other stuff about bags themselves. -Lagmonster
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