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EXCLUSIVE: Obama Extends Protections To Gay Couples Under Medicaid
The Obama administration is set on Friday to issue policy guidance to states expanding their ability to offer same-sex couples the same protections afforded to straight couples when they receive long-term care under Medicaid, the Washington Blade has learned exclusively.

Under the new guidance, dated June 10, states have the option to allow healthy partners in a same-sex relationship to keep their homes while their partners are receiving support for long-term care under Medicaid, such as care in a nursing home.

Medicaid kicks in for a beneficiary to receive care after an individual depletes virtually all of their money. To pay for the beneficiary’s expenses under Medicaid, a state could impose a lein, or take possession, of a beneficiary’s home to pay for Medicaid expenses.

However, federal law prohibits imposing this lein if beneficiaries are married to someone of the opposite-sex who’s still living in their home. The new guidance, signed by Deputy Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Cindy Mann, clarifies that states can offer this protection to the healthy partner of a Medicaid recipient in a same-sex relationship.

“A State can have a policy or rule not to pursue liens when the same-sex spouse or domestic partner of the Medicaid beneficiary continues to lawfully reside in the home,” the guidance states.

The Obama administration previously hadn’t articulated whether gay couples could receive these protections under the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits federal recognition of same-sex marriage. The guidance doesn’t mandate that same-sex couples receive this protection, but allows states to “incorporate their criteria for determining when to impose a lien in the Medicaid State plan.”

The Department of Health & Human Services had been examining ways to offer more protections to same-sex couples under Medicaid as part of the work it has undertaken for LGBT people, but until now hadn’t issued the policy guidance to states.

Secretary of Health & Human Services Kathleen Sebelius said in a statement the new guidance represents a path for low-income same-sex couples to receive care under Medicaid.

“Low-income same-sex couples are too often denied equal treatment and the protections offered to other families in their greatest times of need,” she said. “That is now changing. Today’s guidance represents another important step toward ensuring the rights and dignity of every American are respected by their government.”

Michael Cole-Schwartz, a Human Rights Campaign spokesperson, praised the Obama administration for issuing the guidance, but maintained same-sex couples won’t have equal protection under the law until DOMA is repealed.

“No one should have to choose between keeping their home and getting the medical care they need and deserve,” Cole-Schwartz said. “This is an important step to give some couples the security and dignity they deserve when they need it most. However all same-sex couples will remain vulnerable until we end discrimination in marriage and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act.”

In addition to allowing states not to impose liens on the homes of same-sex couples, the guidance also allows individuals in same-sex relationships to sell their home below market value to their partner and still receive Medicaid support.

An individual seeking Medicaid coverage may want to make this transfer to deplete his or her assets more quickly to be eligible for care. Under other circumstances, the state could impose a period of ineligibility on the beneficiary because of this sale, but the guidance says states can ignore this transfer if they believe such ineligibility would institute “undue hardship.”

“Because of the flexibility afforded to States in determining undue hardship, we believe that States may adopt criteria, or even presumptions, that recognize that imposing transfer of assets penalties on the basis of the transfer of ownership interests in a shared home to a same-sex spouse or domestic partner would constitute undue hardship,” the guidance states.

Furthermore, the guidance says states can opt not to seize the home of Medicaid beneficiaries upon their death if their same-sex partner is still living in the home.

States may seize the property of Medicaid beneficiaries upon their death — if a lien has been imposed on the home or the recipient is age 55 or over and has received nursing services — but not if the recipient’s child or spouse is living in the home. The guidance clarifies that states may also decide not to do so if a same-sex partner is living in the home.

“States have flexibility to design reasonable criteria for determining what constitutes an undue hardship and who may be afforded protection from estate recovery in such instances,” the guidance states. “At the State’s discretion, this may include establishing reasonable protections applicable to the same-sex spouse or domestic partner of a deceased Medicaid recipient.”
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Well, good for Obama, I guess. Not really much more to say.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, good for Obama, I guess. Not really much more to say.
How about why did this take over two years when he could have done it anytime in his first sixty days.

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Mr Bean wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, good for Obama, I guess. Not really much more to say.
How about why did this take over two years when he could have done it anytime in his first sixty days.
Ah yes. I forgot that Obama bashing is obligatory. Maybe he could have done something faster. No doubt there are hundreds of other issues for which you can say the same. He can't do everything simultaneously. Maybe he should have done it faster. It should be possible to acknowledge he did something right rather than immediately turning it into another reason why he sucks.
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Being a politician isn't exactly easy; you have to make compromises and inevitably some promises will be broken. Now that he's in a stronger position then he was a few months ago he can afford to start coming through. The fact that he actually DID something right (along with overturning DADT, getting health care through) shouldn't be ignored because he took time doing it.
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Is it really so terrible that his administration is trying to find ways to maximize such protections under current laws?

Absolutely, I'd love to see same-sex marriage fully legitimized with no distinctions from opposite-sex marriage, but in the real world that's a long-term goal. Meanwhile, I am happy to see that folks are still slogging away and making some progress.

On top of that - this should be harder for social conservatives to attack because it's not a Federal recognition.... it's letting the states decide (which, under the constitution is where laws on marriage rightfully exist). The more recognition we get for such relationships state-by-state the closer we are to a possible SCotUS decision reinforcing the full faith and credit clause, and that would be a back door to de facto same sex marriage across the US. Not so direct and satisfying as a decree from on high, but the same goal in the end.
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It is a good move and good on Obama.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: Ah yes. I forgot that Obama bashing is obligatory. Maybe he could have done something faster. No doubt there are hundreds of other issues for which you can say the same. He can't do everything simultaneously. Maybe he should have done it faster. It should be possible to acknowledge he did something right rather than immediately turning it into another reason why he sucks.
I can acknowledge it when it looks like blatant pandering preparation for the upcoming campaign. Do you think this would have been done now if not for the fact his support among the LGBT community was slipping as this great defender of rights had waited until Congress took care of Don't Ask Don't Tell on their own (And let hundreds of gay servicemen be kicked out in the meantime despite having stop loss as a legal method to prevent their expulsion from the ranks)

There's a difference between something take awhile to do because it's complicated and being fought in Congress, any act he could pass on his own via simple policy mandates I give him the bare minimum of credit for because after he lost Congress it was the perfect time seeing as non of his legislation was being passed to do anything and everything he could via the office of the President to advance his causes and agenda. You are talking to someone who both campaigned for, made calls for and donated money to Obama and I defended him right up I realized during the BP oil spill how much of a bought tool of the corporations he was. I had criticized him before that on issue (Larry Summers and Tim Geithner spring to mind as the biggest examples) but I remained hopeful. Now no more.

Know this members of the LGBT community, expect a few more olive branches from Obama in the coming months as he hopes to get your money, but expect nothing from him during his second term if he should win it. Once he's won you will cease to exist.

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Better late than never, I suppose, but it's a great shame that Obama's dislike of conflict (and, I suspect, a quite sensible reluctance to find out if the Teabaggers are serious about "Second Amnendment Solutions") prevented more than half-measures being implemented.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, good for Obama, I guess. Not really much more to say.
How about why did this take over two years when he could have done it anytime in his first sixty days.
Because this is America? It's not exactly like America has a record of speedily rectifying its various social problems due to various factors (including, but not limited to, the nature of our political system.) I mean fuck, by US standards this is revolutionary.
Mr Bean wrote:Know this members of the LGBT community, expect a few more olive branches from Obama in the coming months as he hopes to get your money, but expect nothing from him during his second term if he should win it. Once he's won you will cease to exist.
What? you expect Obama to become PROGRESSIVE DICTATOR FOR LIFE and suddenly make sweeping changes? Or is he actually Emperor Palpatine in disguise and he can suddenly make his opposition change minds via the force? Upon what basis do you attribute him supernatural powers that he should be able to overcome all the fucked-up shit that is inherent to American culture and politics that keeps us from being as other countries are?

No seriously, I'm curious why everything is blamed more on Obama failing to make American politics to be vastly different than it actually is, rather than a failure of the system itself.
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Connor MacLeod wrote:
What? you expect Obama to become PROGRESSIVE DICTATOR FOR LIFE and suddenly make sweeping changes? Or is he actually Emperor Palpatine in disguise and he can suddenly make his opposition change minds via the force? Upon what basis do you attribute him supernatural powers that he should be able to overcome all the fucked-up shit that is inherent to American culture and politics that keeps us from being as other countries are?
Because as he just demonstrated by this very act the United States President has the power to do lots of shit if he puts his mind to it. If you learned nothing from President Bush that it takes Congress to pass new laws or over turn existing ones. Beyond that the President can issue all the findings he likes and they become defacto law unless Congress steps in to stop him... except you know Veto power.

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No seriously, I'm curious why everything is blamed more on Obama failing to make American politics to be vastly different than it actually is, rather than a failure of the system itself.
No I'm blaming him for not giving a shit about the LGBT community except during election time, same way he does not give a shit about the Latino community except again during election time.

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Without a very detailed accounting of what Obama does all day, every day, and what decisions he makes at each moment- something that won't be forthcoming until after the end of his administration, if ever- I don't think we can say. How much does he do? How many times does he just not arrange things because there are not enough hours in his day to take care of them? How many things that he could do does he consciously decide not to do?

I don't know.

And Bean, the election is nearly eighteen months away. If he can be accused of electioneering for doing something a year and a half before the election, he can be accused of it at any time at all- it stops being an argument because it can be applied to everything he ever does.
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Mr Bean wrote:Because as he just demonstrated by this very act the United States President has the power to do lots of shit if he puts his mind to it. If you learned nothing from President Bush that it takes Congress to pass new laws or over turn existing ones. Beyond that the President can issue all the findings he likes and they become defacto law unless Congress steps in to stop him... except you know Veto power.
So let's follow your logic to conclusion. He starts acting more like Bush but on a more progressive bent. What are the outcomes and consequences of this for him, for the Democrats in general? How does the public react to this?
Also, do you expect all of his critics, opponents, et al to just sit by and do nothing to oppose?

Connor MacLeod wrote: No I'm blaming him for not giving a shit about the LGBT community except during election time, same way he does not give a shit about the Latino community except again during election time.
Are you asserting then he is somehow some sort of closet homophobe? Or rather, that he DELIBERATELY decided not to do anything.. just because? Because that's how it's coming off to me and I was almost tempted to respond to it precisely in that manner.

Also, this fails to address why Obama should receive the blame for these sorts of things but the US political system, the voters, et al get a pass when it comes to fault. (and just so we're clear, I'm including myself, since I am an American of voting age and I probably COULD do far more to defend LGBT rights. Does that mean I'm suddenly a Cartoon supervillain too?)

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Connor MacLeod wrote: So let's follow your logic to conclusion. He starts acting more like Bush but on a more progressive bent. What are the outcomes and consequences of this for him, for the Democrats in general? How does the public react to this?
I don't know if your aware of this but Clinton, Bush I, Regan and Carter, Nixon all did much more things via the office of the President that Obama. Bush the 2nd was just the most extremist but I could have also said the following

If you learned nothing from President Bush Clinton that it takes Congress to pass new laws or over turn existing ones. Beyond that the President can issue all the findings he likes and they become defacto law unless Congress steps in to stop him... except you know Veto power.
Connor MacLeod wrote: Also, do you expect all of his critics, opponents, et al to just sit by and do nothing to oppose?
I don't know if you know this but Fox news once critised the fact he puts mustard on his hamburgers, they will oppose him no matter what he does even when he inacts Republican plans or out and out cuts back regulation and hands out tax cuts.

No matter what President Obama does, good, ill or somewhere in between he will be criticized, so why give a shit about his critics?

Connor MacLeod wrote: Are you asserting then he is somehow some sort of closet homophobe? Or rather, that he DELIBERATELY decided not to do anything.. just because? Because that's how it's coming off to me and I was almost tempted to respond to it precisely in that manner.
No I'm not asserting he's a homophobe, but he's no grand defender of LGBT rights either, it's been observed that Obama speaks against gay marriage at every opportunity hinting that separate but equal Civil unions might be acceptable.

Simon_Jester wrote:Without a very detailed accounting of what Obama does all day, every day, and what decisions he makes at each moment- something that won't be forthcoming until after the end of his administration, if ever- I don't think we can say. How much does he do? How many times does he just not arrange things because there are not enough hours in his day to take care of them? How many things that he could do does he consciously decide not to do?
I know who does know,Bill Daley can tell you exactly what he does day to day, what he decides to do and not to do. Further along with the times Mr Daley speaks to the press and gives us insight on the day to day of the Obama administration he's got dozens of other staffers trained to leak on command who tell us what Obama is really thinking without Obama having to go on the record saying it from his own mouth. From this picture we can assemble what his day to day priorities are each month.
Simon_Jester wrote: And Bean, the election is nearly eighteen months away.
Simon out of curiosity have you ever lived inside the Beltway? It's called that not just from the prospective that most of our goverment is concentrated inside the 495 beltway but because most of media is also concentrated in that area. The decision to extend benefits was carefully looked over by dozens of advisers given the go ahead with the idea it would give a talking point to Obama when goes back out on the campaign trail which he unofficially left for the day after the 2010 elections returns came back. This decision to do this THIS week rather than last week is not a work related, they did not finish reviewing the new regulations yesterday, or finish getting them ready for implementation today, this has been on hold for anywhere from a month to a year waiting for the right time in the news cycle to release it into the public For every one thing done for good policy we do nine things to make the current adminstration look good, bad things are news dumped on late Friday afternoons, good things are dropped on Tuesdays.

Further to your second note
Simon_Jester wrote: If he can be accused of electioneering for doing something a year and a half before the election, he can be accused of it at any time at all- it stops being an argument because it can be applied to everything he ever does.
This comes from follow through, for example when he was brought into the White House one of his major promises was to assist on the Immigration issue, he had the house for a year and you could say he did not trust them to do two things at once with Heath care and Immigration but that never stopped Republicans who do care about that issue(being nativists) from passing all sorts of draconian legislation like Papers please. If he cared about such issue he would fight as he fights to defend Heathcare reform, but Immigration? Nary a peep no matter how extreme the state laws purposed. From someone with my experience that's obvious, he does not give two shits about the Immigration issue and it's only an issue to get Latino votes. Likewise this LGBT issue, he does not care for the community because all of this easy kind of stuff would have been done as early as possible. Once a right is established and people get used to it, they will fight to defend it on their own.

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Mr Bean wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: So let's follow your logic to conclusion. He starts acting more like Bush but on a more progressive bent. What are the outcomes and consequences of this for him, for the Democrats in general? How does the public react to this?
I don't know if your aware of this but Clinton, Bush I, Regan and Carter, Nixon all did much more things via the office of the President that Obama.
Uh-huh - You do recall Clinton was impeached, correct? Nixon was forced to resign, and bunch of people who worked for him went to jail. "Do much more" is not always a positive thing.

I don't want a president who simply "does much more", I want a president who does the right things, even if that means less stuff is done. Quality over quantity please.
If you learned nothing from President Bush Clinton that it takes Congress to pass new laws or over turn existing ones. Beyond that the President can issue all the findings he likes and they become defacto law unless Congress steps in to stop him... except you know Veto power.
And all that de facto law can be immediately overturned by the next guy to sit in the oval office, whereas a law passed through Congress is more difficult to overturn. You want everything now, only to have it shitcanned the next time a Republican gets elected, or you want half of that, but a half that will stick long term regardless of who is in office?
No matter what President Obama does, good, ill or somewhere in between he will be criticized, so why give a shit about his critics?
Because a lot of them vote. If he pisses off enough people he doesn't get a second term, and trust me, Obama wants that second term. He's a politician, he wants to hold office. He's not doing this solely out of the goodness of his heart and for charity, he's doing it because he wants the job and the perks and power that go with it.
No I'm not asserting he's a homophobe, but he's no grand defender of LGBT rights either, it's been observed that Obama speaks against gay marriage at every opportunity hinting that separate but equal Civil unions might be acceptable.
Get a grip, kiddo, because a LOT more people in this country find the words "civil union" more palatable than "same-sex marriage". Obama isn't YOUR president, he's everyone's president and he has just as many obligations to those who want "civil unions" or are even opposed to gay marriage as he does to you and yours. It's called "compromise", and it's an inherent part of politics.

Frankly, "civil union" vs. "marriage" is hairsplitting from my viewpoint, but if calling the legal entity a "civil union" gets effectively equal rights, or something closer to it, it's a compromise I can live with, and I think a lot of LGBT people can, too. Do you want the particular label, or do you want the contents inside the box?
I know who does know,Bill Daley can tell you exactly what he does day to day, what he decides to do and not to do. Further along with the times Mr Daley speaks to the press and gives us insight on the day to day of the Obama administration he's got dozens of other staffers trained to leak on command who tell us what Obama is really thinking without Obama having to go on the record saying it from his own mouth. From this picture we can assemble what his day to day priorities are each month.
And what the fuck makes you think YOU are entitled to know everything the president does or plans? Do you honestly believe you have the factual knowledge on which to reconstruct his day? Funny - those staffers trained to "leak on command" never gave a beep about the plans to kill bin Laden, I guess they've been trained to "hold it" as well as leak.

Beyond that - the leakers don't leak the objective truth, they leak what the administration wants you to hear. Isn't manipulation fun? It makes you think you know more than you actually do.

Taking down bin Laden has given Obama some political capital he didn't have before, as well as taking some wind out of Republican sails, making pushing through some of the liberal social agenda more possible.
This decision to do this THIS week rather than last week is not a work related, they did not finish reviewing the new regulations yesterday, or finish getting them ready for implementation today, this has been on hold for anywhere from a month to a year waiting for the right time in the news cycle to release it into the public For every one thing done for good policy we do nine things to make the current adminstration look good, bad things are news dumped on late Friday afternoons, good things are dropped on Tuesdays.
And... that's the way government happens in the early 21st Century. Additional newsflash: water is wet. Absolutely the administration is going to announce a thing when it's to the administration's advantage. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Announce it at the worst possible moment?
Likewise this LGBT issue, he does not care for the community because all of this easy kind of stuff would have been done as early as possible.
Get your head out of your ass - getting even civil unions recognized is not easy because there are a shit load of Americans who don't believe LGBT people deserve equal rights or equal treatment, who oppose giving them equal rites, and not all of them are Republican or Tea Party. Every time he stands up for the LGBT folks he's alienating a large percentage of the African-American Democrats, for example. He's pissing off the observant Catholics - a good number of whom are Hispanic. Every time he supports something pro-immigrant he pisses off the labor unions and the blue collar types, which traditionally have been Democrats. Quite a few of these issues split the Democratic party and he has to keep that in mind even if you don't. He has to get the people in his own party on board with this, it's not just a matter of saying "fuck social conservatives/Repulicans/Tea Partiers/etc."

Just in my own state, even as this new ruling on Medicaid is occuring, the Obama adminstration is preparting to take Indiana to court over a new state law pulling funding from Planned Parenthood - meaning effectively, because something like 3% of Planned Parenthood's business in Indiana involves abortions people on Medicaid will be barred from using PP as a health provider for anything else unless they pay out of pocket. PP is a major provider of things like family planning, birth control, pap smears, mammograms, and so forth for poor women in this state, the number of women cut off from potentially life-saving medical testing and treatment could be in the tens of thousands but fuck them it's more important we get same sex marriage instead of acknowledged civil unions, right? Multiply this sort of shit by 50 states and you'll realize why nothing gets done quickly on a Federal level.

Yes, in an ideal world we'd get a socially progressive agenda passed but guess what, we don't live in the ideal world, we live in the real world. Yes, your issues are important. So are everyone else's. Although I'd like to see faster progress on LGBT issues the fact is we are making progress - unlike some other issues where we are, as a society, actively sliding backward.
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In other words, Mr Bean is claiming Obama is a lousy president because he wasn't President Roosevelt who campaigned for change and etc vigoursly,forcefully and etc during his first term in office.
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Those who only learned history as the watered-down drool in US history classes usually are unaware of just how difficult Roosevelt's first term in office was. He did not get a lot of what he asked for, he had significant opposition, plenty of people loathed and hated him (and still do).... it was not easy getting the New Deal, it was controversial, and nothing was at all certain in those days. A lot of what he did was via executive order, which meant that if he had not secured his subsequent terms of office it would have all been done as soon as the new guy took office.

Mr. Bean is willing to discard some good progress merely because it's not perfect. I don't think that's a wise stance to take.
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The OP article wrote:...states have the option...
I find that less than encouraging, but great news nontheless.
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Hooray! Another step forward! *kazoo*
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Broomstick wrote:Those who only learned history as the watered-down drool in US history classes usually are unaware of just how difficult Roosevelt's first term in office was. He did not get a lot of what he asked for, he had significant opposition, plenty of people loathed and hated him (and still do).... it was not easy getting the New Deal, it was controversial, and nothing was at all certain in those days. A lot of what he did was via executive order, which meant that if he had not secured his subsequent terms of office it would have all been done as soon as the new guy took office.

Mr. Bean is willing to discard some good progress merely because it's not perfect. I don't think that's a wise stance to take.
Amen to that statement.

It seems that a good many people seem to take any instance that is not 100% success to be total failure. They want Obama to come in and "just do things like Bush did" despite the fact that they bitched when Bush did those things. They overlook circumstances when he does compromise, and view it as a betrayal. They seem to forget that no great change is accomplished in a democracy overnight.
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Simon_Jester wrote:And Bean, the election is nearly eighteen months away. If he can be accused of electioneering for doing something a year and a half before the election, he can be accused of it at any time at all- it stops being an argument because it can be applied to everything he ever does.
I'm sorry, but the Republicans have been electioneering for the past couple of months. Even 18 months before the election, both Obama and the current field of GOP candidates as well as all of the major news networks are gearing up for the pageant.
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One can argue that every President's first term is a campaign for their second term.
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Dalton wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:And Bean, the election is nearly eighteen months away. If he can be accused of electioneering for doing something a year and a half before the election, he can be accused of it at any time at all- it stops being an argument because it can be applied to everything he ever does.
I'm sorry, but the Republicans have been electioneering for the past couple of months. Even 18 months before the election, both Obama and the current field of GOP candidates as well as all of the major news networks are gearing up for the pageant.
All right, but by this argument we can reasonably say that Obama's been electioneering ever since he took office. I doubt there was a single day when he didn't think about his political support base and how his actions would impact his chances of reelection. And I doubt any politician is different.

In which case you can't really criticize a politician for doing things with an eye to how they affect his chances of reelection; it's like criticizing him for breathing. If all actions taken by politicians are always electioneering, it makes little sense to criticize any particular politician for any particular act of electioneering.

Because how would we find a politician who didn't electioneer, whose policy decisions were totally disconnected from his long-term plans to be reelected? Would we want such a politician even if we could have one?
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Simon_Jester wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:And Bean, the election is nearly eighteen months away. If he can be accused of electioneering for doing something a year and a half before the election, he can be accused of it at any time at all- it stops being an argument because it can be applied to everything he ever does.
I'm sorry, but the Republicans have been electioneering for the past couple of months. Even 18 months before the election, both Obama and the current field of GOP candidates as well as all of the major news networks are gearing up for the pageant.
All right, but by this argument we can reasonably say that Obama's been electioneering ever since he took office. I doubt there was a single day when he didn't think about his political support base and how his actions would impact his chances of reelection. And I doubt any politician is different.

In which case you can't really criticize a politician for doing things with an eye to how they affect his chances of reelection; it's like criticizing him for breathing. If all actions taken by politicians are always electioneering, it makes little sense to criticize any particular politician for any particular act of electioneering.

Because how would we find a politician who didn't electioneer, whose policy decisions were totally disconnected from his long-term plans to be reelected? Would we want such a politician even if we could have one?
James K. Polk might be the exception (he accomplished the four things he wanted to get done in his first term), plus most presidents before FDR in their second term (as the tradition was to only serve two terms thanks to George Washington). But even that's debatable.
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True, but that doesn't do any good to the "Obama's just electioneering!" argument. We can't blame Obama for not being on his second term, that wouldn't make any sense.

So in the context of modern politics (and not just American politics), condemning Obama for doing things that are politically useful to him is like condemning him for wearing a suit- it's not like you're going to find a replacement for him that would do things otherwise.
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