Rabbis sentence dog to stoning

[Shroom Man 777]

Or when how we laughed when those Middle Eastern countries thought sharks, or tagged eagles, were part of some Zionist scheme

[eyl]

I don't see how a dog could have gotten in unnoticed (especially since the door would likely be closed).

The guard going for a piss break with the door ajar? Being distracted by someone talking to him or asking him a question? Human attention is not infallible, and it would probably only take a few seconds for a dog to wander past and out of sight of a door guard.

Well, I'm not saying it's impossible for the dog to have gotten in...as I said, my main reason for being skeptical of the story is that the rabi involved denied it, which would be rather atypical if the story was true.

[eyl]

I thought Jews (especially the Orthodox and ultra Orthodox) don't believe in reincarnation?

Some Jews do; Jewish thoughts on the afterlife aren't really defined like they are in Christianity or most other religions.

Well it looks like they don't believe it was reincarnation per-say rather than his spirit taking the body of a dog who was already living.

IINM the lawyer died 20 years ago, seems unlikely the dog was alive then.

[ArmorPierce]

Well it looks like they don't believe it was reincarnation per-say rather than his spirit taking the body of a dog who was already living.

IINM the lawyer died 20 years ago, seems unlikely the dog was alive then.

So what? What does that have to do with anything? The quote states that they believe they took the body of a poor existing dog anyway.

[Sarevok]

I thought Jews (especially the Orthodox and ultra Orthodox) don't believe in reincarnation?

Some Jews do; Jewish thoughts on the afterlife aren't really defined like they are in Christianity or most other religions.

That's pretty weird. It's almost like judaism has ancient links to hinduism.

[Zed]

...because concepts of reincarnation didn't exist outside of Hinduism?

[Pelranius]

I thought Jews (especially the Orthodox and ultra Orthodox) don't believe in reincarnation?

Some Jews do; Jewish thoughts on the afterlife aren't really defined like they are in Christianity or most other religions.

Well, in that case it still seems awfully presumptuous of the rabbis to assume that it would be the specific dog the aforementioned lawyer had been condemned to (and assuming that God would carry out said sentence on the twice aforementioned lawyer's soul because some rabbis said so).

[Darth Yan]

and of course the israeli fanwhores on the site and in the media are going to totally ignore this.

[Simon_Jester]

Precisely what do you mean by that, Yan? What conclusions should they draw from it, as opposed to "totally ignoring" it?

[SVPD]

You know, there are lots of good reasons to cricticize Israel but.. I'm having a hard time seeing why this one is remotely important. It strikes me as unlikely that this is anything other than an anomoly, in terms of its sheer silliness. Ok, so a few rabbis stone a dog to death. Really, who gives a fuck? I'm honestly sort of flabbergasted this is even worthy of mention.

[Tanasinn]

It's interesting precisely because it's the sort of laughable, pathetic, bronze age sand-savage behavior Muslims are so frequently mocked for. Any black mark against Irsrael's media image is valuable in giving the wider world an understanding that no, Israel is not a holy bastion of morality and civility.

[Phantasee]

and of course the israeli fanwhores on the site and in the media are going to totally ignore this.

I'm not a fan of Israel and I don't give a shit, why would a supporter of Israel care?

[Coyote]

and of course the israeli fanwhores on the site and in the media are going to totally ignore this.

Because it's a really stupid story, and only gets traction here at all because it's a opportunity to jerk off furiously to pictures of Israeli maps overlaid with swastikas?

[Simon_Jester]

Well no, it's also an example of fundie stupidity, which people here also like to make easy mockery of.

But I would very much like to see what Darth Yan really meant, aside from his insinuations.

What should people think about this, Yan? Assuming, of course, that they don't "totally ignore" it?

[Sarevok]

and of course the israeli fanwhores on the site and in the media are going to totally ignore this.

Because it's a really stupid story, and only gets traction here at all because it's a opportunity to jerk off furiously to pictures of Israeli maps overlaid with swastikas?

Aye. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't approve dissing all muslims when stories like this emerge from our part of the world. Similarly I think it's wrong to do the same to Israel.

[Darth Yan]

that was sort of the point. whenever a muslim does something like thiis people like bill maher will say "see this proves all muslims are stone age savages". I'm not trying to slam jews; I'm simply pointing out how people will hypocritically sweep this under the rug or say "oh this was a random nut" while harping on whenever a muslim does something similar.

[Simon_Jester]

So who are the people "on this site," you said, who say "this proves all Muslims are savages?" I mean, I don't remember that, but that doesn't mean it's not there, I guess.

[Darth Yan]

darth hoth and ossus was pretty intense during the quran burning that rev jones brought up. I'd say both count as being prejudiced against muslims while ignoring that the old testemant is still considered very relevant.

[Block]

This is a fake story btw: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13838347

[Simon_Jester]

So, what would the proper reaction of Israeli fanwhores to a fake story about idiocy in orthodox Judaism be...?

And, if the story were not fake, what would the proper reaction actually be? What lessons would some right-thinking person come to, Yan?

[Darth Yan]

if it was a fake story, then dismiss it. if the evidence points to it being true then ignoring it is bad.

Also, a proper reaction would be to accept that the faith being praised also has some pretty big weaknesses, and to keep that in mind before you go pointing fingers the next time some idiot honor kills his daughter (in short, of your going to play the "its some wacko that doesn't embody the faith" at least be willing to actually extend the courtesy to other faiths (and do real research to see iof there are similarities.)

at this point i'm bowing out, because honestly i feel like i'm treading pretty thin ice.

[Kanastrous]

There's an old figure from European Jewish folklore called a dybbuk. It's the spirit of a deceased person who as punishment for whatever offense is returned to Earth as a possessing spirit that is forced to inhabit someone else's body.

There is a famous Yiddish-language play (well, famous among people interested in Yiddish theater) called The Dybbuk, as well as fairly funny science-fiction/comedy story called The Dybbuk of Mazel Tov 5, about a displaced human spirit that ends up unwillingly possessing the body of an alien...

[Phantasee]

Is this the story: The Dybbuk of Mazel Tov IV?

[Kanastrous]

Yeah, that's the one. I haven't read it in a very long time but I remember it being entertaining.

Sorry about the numbering mixup...(Khan Noonien Singh voice) THIS is Mazel Tov FOUR!

[Phantasee]

I just wanted to be sure I wasn't reading a shitty prequel to the much better original story