Magneto Vs. the Emperor

[Formless]

The final three options are the most parsimonious, however, given his quick recovery and observed "unlimited power!" outburst, the second or forth are the most reasonable of the three, given that the "scarring" suited his political purpose. Especially because were it actual mystical damage or "scarring" he would be seen to still have it in ROTJ, complete with the klingon brow ridges, which he does not, which indicates he reformed said mask. We also see no such deformation in any other observed instance of force lightning use.

Aly, you're reaching. My point was that there is no evidence that his appearance was a mask in the film, ergo the second and third interpretations are non-parsimonious. Likewise, the first and fourth are not incompatible with each other. The instant Palpatine started throwing Sith lightning at Mace Windu's saber he knew he was going to hurt himself, so however we interpret this he was taking a gamble on Anakin's turning to the dark side. Its a calculated risk, to be sure, but medicine in Star Wars is pretty advanced so I'm certain he could get a face lift at a later date if he so desired.

[Lord of the Abyss]

And again, if it is normal electricity, then how could the human body emit such amounts of electricity? Again, are midichlorians some kind of organic hypermatter energy source that can generate gratuitous amounts of electricity while radiating waste heat through neutrinos?

Presumably the energy source is the Dark Side of the Force, not his body.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Aly, you're reaching. My point was that there is no evidence that his appearance was a mask in the film, ergo the second and third interpretations are non-parsimonious. Likewise, the fourth and first are not incompatible with each other. The instant Palpatine started throwing Sith lightning at Mace Windu's saber he knew he was going to hurt himself, so however we interpret this he was taking a gamble on Anakin's turning to the dark side. Its a calculated risk, to be sure, but medicine in Star Wars is pretty advanced so I'm certain he could get a face lift at a later date if he so desired.

I am hardly reaching, and two explanations can be mutually exclusive and equally parsimonious.

Observation: During a use of force lightning, palpatine's "form" was changed. Fundamentally, once we break it down and be all reductionist, we have two alternative explanations for why this occurred. That the effect is a property of force lightning, or the effect is a property of palpatine--either his use of the ability, defense against it etc. Each of these explanations makes certain testable predictions.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Force Lightning:

Other observed instances of force lightning use would have similar effects on the target's "form"--These are not observed. Not when Luke was lightninged, not when vader was, not during the fight with Dooku, not when Yoda was hit with it. Not when Mace Windu was in as close proximity to it as palpatine was.

This is the biggest one. This is the hurdle you must overcome for your preferred explanation to make any god damn sense. Is there evidence of any scarring in any other in-film use which could not be caused by electricity.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Palpatine

This will depend on the sub-hypotheses preferred, and that has been gone over in a bit more depth above. If you ask about any of them, I can generate those testable predictions. Until then, I really dont feel like going over them pre-emptively if they are not necessary.

[Norade]

Aly, you're reaching. My point was that there is no evidence that his appearance was a mask in the film, ergo the second and third interpretations are non-parsimonious. Likewise, the fourth and first are not incompatible with each other. The instant Palpatine started throwing Sith lightning at Mace Windu's saber he knew he was going to hurt himself, so however we interpret this he was taking a gamble on Anakin's turning to the dark side. Its a calculated risk, to be sure, but medicine in Star Wars is pretty advanced so I'm certain he could get a face lift at a later date if he so desired.

I am hardly reaching, and two explanations can be mutually exclusive and equally parsimonious.

Observation: During a use of force lightning, palpatine's "form" was changed. Fundamentally, once we break it down and be all reductionist, we have two alternative explanations for why this occurred. That the effect is a property of force lightning, or the effect is a property of palpatine--either his use of the ability, defense against it etc. Each of these explanations makes certain testable predictions.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Force Lightning:

Other observed instances of force lightning use would have similar effects on the target's "form"--These are not observed. Not when Luke was lightninged, not when vader was, not during the fight with Dooku, not when Yoda was hit with it. Not when Mace Windu was in as close proximity to it as palpatine was.

This is the biggest one. This is the hurdle you must overcome for your preferred explanation to make any god damn sense. Is there evidence of any scarring in any other in-film use which could not be caused by electricity.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Palpatine

This will depend on the sub-hypotheses preferred, and that has been gone over in a bit more depth above. If you ask about any of them, I can generate those testable predictions. Until then, I really dont feel like going over them pre-emptively if they are not necessary.

If it was normal lightning where were the horrific electrical burns that Luke should have had?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Aly, you're reaching. My point was that there is no evidence that his appearance was a mask in the film, ergo the second and third interpretations are non-parsimonious. Likewise, the fourth and first are not incompatible with each other. The instant Palpatine started throwing Sith lightning at Mace Windu's saber he knew he was going to hurt himself, so however we interpret this he was taking a gamble on Anakin's turning to the dark side. Its a calculated risk, to be sure, but medicine in Star Wars is pretty advanced so I'm certain he could get a face lift at a later date if he so desired.

I am hardly reaching, and two explanations can be mutually exclusive and equally parsimonious.

Observation: During a use of force lightning, palpatine's "form" was changed. Fundamentally, once we break it down and be all reductionist, we have two alternative explanations for why this occurred. That the effect is a property of force lightning, or the effect is a property of palpatine--either his use of the ability, defense against it etc. Each of these explanations makes certain testable predictions.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Force Lightning:

Other observed instances of force lightning use would have similar effects on the target's "form"--These are not observed. Not when Luke was lightninged, not when vader was, not during the fight with Dooku, not when Yoda was hit with it. Not when Mace Windu was in as close proximity to it as palpatine was.

This is the biggest one. This is the hurdle you must overcome for your preferred explanation to make any god damn sense. Is there evidence of any scarring in any other in-film use which could not be caused by electricity.

Necessary and Sufficient Cause=Palpatine

This will depend on the sub-hypotheses preferred, and that has been gone over in a bit more depth above. If you ask about any of them, I can generate those testable predictions. Until then, I really dont feel like going over them pre-emptively if they are not necessary.

If it was normal lightning where were the horrific electrical burns that Luke should have had?

Electrical burns are not always caused by electrical discharge, that depends on a variety of factors. Thermal transfer for example. One also must consider the observed abilities of Jedi to defend against heat. When Jango Fett roasted Mace Windu, he should have suffered some nasty burns, he didnt. When Obi Wan and Aniken fought on Mustafar, they should have... well, pretty much caught on fire and died from exposure to sulfur dioxide, they didnt. It was only after being dismembered that Aniken caught on fire, which should have happened much much sooner.

It is entirely reasonable to conclude that this ability is what protected Luke from electrical burns. However, we cannot conclude that Palpatine's resistance to life-draining and some sort of metaphysical scarring was somehow less than Luke or Yoda's.

[Norade]

Electrical burns are not always caused by electrical discharge, that depends on a variety of factors. Thermal transfer for example. One also must consider the observed abilities of Jedi to defend against heat. When Jango Fett roasted Mace Windu, he should have suffered some nasty burns, he didnt. When Obi Wan and Aniken fought on Mustafar, they should have... well, pretty much caught on fire and died from exposure to sulfur dioxide, they didnt. It was only after being dismembered that Aniken caught on fire, which should have happened much much sooner.

It is entirely reasonable to conclude that this ability is what protected Luke from electrical burns. However, we cannot conclude that Palpatine's resistance to life-draining and some sort of metaphysical scarring was somehow less than Luke or Yoda's.

So you're going to assume that Luke, raw and pretty well untrained was able to pull off a stun that two full trained Jedi were taxed doing? That makes so much more sense than just looking in the EU and seeing that the glove fits...

[Shroom Man 777]

And again, if it is normal electricity, then how could the human body emit such amounts of electricity? Again, are midichlorians some kind of organic hypermatter energy source that can generate gratuitous amounts of electricity while radiating waste heat through neutrinos?

Presumably the energy source is the Dark Side of the Force, not his body.

So you admit that Force Lightning is created by strange woo-woo Force energy that behaves totally not like electricity? This strange woo-woo Force energy is also capable of telekinetically manipulating objects, dissipating energy, perceiving the future, and shits. So Jedi/Sith draw from this strange energy that lets them shoot mind bullets, absorb blaster shots, see the fucking future, but apparently when it comes to blasting sparkly zappy bits, people somehow think that this is not strange woo-woo shit but mundane electricities. What.

It's totally obvious that it's not electricity.



Norade, the novelization did say that Luke was trying to redirect the Force lightning with his own Force menergies. Whether this has any bearing on the Force lightning being REAL LITENING (electricity) or weirdo powers, who knows. That it interacts with other Force energies lends credence to it being also woo-woo magic energy rather than electrocity.

[Formless]

I am hardly reaching, and two explanations can be mutually exclusive and equally parsimonious.

It is entirely reasonable to conclude that this ability is what protected Luke from electrical burns. However, we cannot conclude that Palpatine's resistance to life-draining and some sort of metaphysical scarring was somehow less than Luke or Yoda's.

What you are not getting is that your own words demonstrate that those two interpretations are not mutually exclusive. If there are force based defenses against heat, could there also be force based defenses against the effects of Sith lightning that Palpatine intentionally let down as part of his gamble to turn Anakin to the dark side? He's the only person with the motive, after all.

Also, I like how you keep using the term "metaphysical" to talk about how Palpatine's very physical face shriveled up like a prune.

[Norade]

Norade, the novelization did say that Luke was trying to redirect the Force lightning with his own Force menergies. Whether this has any bearing on the Force lightning being REAL LITENING (electricity) or weirdo powers, who knows. That it interacts with other Force energies lends credence to it being also woo-woo magic energy rather than electrocity.

But, but... That's not in the movies. *flails arms*

[Shroom Man 777]

That is the novelization of the movie though, and so it is a bigger cannon than the EU with a wider bore diameter, and can thus shoot bigger cannon balls which are spherical masses of iron.

[Alyrium Denryle]

What you are not getting is that your own words demonstrate that those two interpretations are not mutually exclusive. If there are force based defenses against heat, could there also be force based defenses against the effects of Sith lightning that Palpatine intentionally let down as part of his gamble to turn Anakin to the dark side? He's the only person with the motive, after all.

Also, I like how you keep using the term "metaphysical" to talk about how Palpatine's very physical face shriveled up like a prune.

I need a way to describe the cause "energy damage", "slashing damage", "Metaphysical damage". It makes the communication a wee easier.

There is certainly the possibility that such a thing exists. However, one is plainly demonstrated, the other is a rationalization, or at best an untested assumption.

o you're going to assume that Luke, raw and pretty well untrained was able to pull off a stun that two full trained Jedi were taxed doing? That makes so much more sense than just looking in the EU and seeing that the glove fits...

Learning basic defense like blaster deflection is one of the first things they learn, and we dont know everything Yoda taught him to do, we dont even have the benefit of a training montage. He also had years of practical use before Endor. It is in the observed Jedi bag of tricks, as opposed to a jedi capability you have to assume exists without evidence inside the bounds of the thread in order to make your position work.

Norade, the novelization did say that Luke was trying to redirect the Force lightning with his own Force menergies. Whether this has any bearing on the Force lightning being REAL LITENING (electricity) or weirdo powers, who knows. That it interacts with other Force energies lends credence to it being also woo-woo magic energy rather than electrocity.

No it does not. A wizard can put up a magical shield to defend against lightning bolts, does that mean that because the lightning interacts with the shield that the lightning is anything other than lightning, no.

Is a force choke anything OTHER than crushing the trachea and other easily damaged things in the neck? No. If you really want to boil it down, there is not much in the observed (in film) jedi arsenal that cannot be boiled down to ridiculous applications of telekinesis (and subvariants thereof), or precognition.

[Shroom Man 777]

Explain the intangible mechanisms of the Force choke, and why Force lightning should be any different from that same intangible weirdo mechanism, and if Force lightning is real litening then where the hell do the Sith get the energy/electricity to do that, and what kind of mechanism produces this energy if not the strange woo-woo the Force uses. It's fucking called Force Lightning, not Electrical Lightning.

[Enigma]

Explain the intangible mechanisms of the Force choke, and why Force lightning should be any different from that same intangible weirdo mechanism, and if Force lightning is real litening then where the hell do the Sith get the energy/electricity to do that, and what kind of mechanism produces this energy if not the strange woo-woo the Force uses. It's fucking called Force Lightning, not Electrical Lightning.

This may sound dumb but, if it was real lightning, wouldn't Palpy be fried as he used it on others?

[Formless]

And another thing: how do we know every blast of Sith Lightning was of equal intensity? I think there was a thread a while back in PSW where someone went into detail on every Sith Lightning incident of the films and speculated that Luke got the lowest intensity, longest duration exposure to force lightning because Palpatine wanted to torture him to death. On the other hand, Mace Windu may have gotten the strongest blast in addition to being TK'd out the window of a gigantic fucking skyscraper. Palpatine may have had the most pure exposure to the more exotic effects because he was trying to convert a new apprentice, and this was his way of marrying theatrics to emotional manipulation.

That, or "lol, Vaapad".

[Alyrium Denryle]

Explain the intangible mechanisms of the Force choke, and why Force lightning should be any different from that same intangible weirdo mechanism, and if Force lightning is real litening then where the hell do the Sith get the energy/electricity to do that, and what kind of mechanism produces this energy if not the strange woo-woo the Force uses. It's fucking called Force Lightning, not Electrical Lightning.

They generate/harness the energy using the force, and project it as electricity. In the case of telekinesis, they do Work at a distance without actually touching the object in question. Pretty fucking simple Shroom.

And another thing: how do we know every blast of Sith Lightning was of equal intensity? I think there was a thread a while back in PSW where someone went into detail on every Sith Lightning incident of the films and speculated that Luke got the lowest intensity, longest duration exposure to force lightning because Palpatine wanted to torture him to death. On the other hand, Mace Windu may have gotten the strongest blast in addition to being TK'd out the window of a gigantic fucking skyscraper. Palpatine may have had the most pure exposure to the more exotic effects because he was trying to convert a new apprentice, and this was his way of marrying theatrics to emotional manipulation.

Or, while the intensity varies, there are no exotic effects and Palpatine simply DID the theatrics in addition to suffering damage due to electricity. Why do you insist on positing this extra unnecessary variable?

[Formless]

Or, while the intensity varies, there are no exotic effects and Palpatine simply DID the theatrics in addition to suffering damage due to electricity. Why do you insist on positing this extra unnecessary variable?

Because I'm not. You are when you insist that Palpatine must have used an entirely new, never before seen force technique to mutilate (or disguise) his own face just so that he could bluff to a man (Anakin) who has first hand experience with force lightning. I'm merely speculating on the nature of known abilities based on the behavior of the characters.

[Norade]

Is a force choke anything OTHER than crushing the trachea and other easily damaged things in the neck? No. If you really want to boil it down, there is not much in the observed (in film) jedi arsenal that cannot be boiled down to ridiculous applications of telekinesis (and subvariants thereof), or precognition.

Yes, given that it killed Padme in spite of the fact that she could clearly still breath. How's that for movie evidence of there being something more going on? It clearly sapped her very will given the explanation we got.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Or, while the intensity varies, there are no exotic effects and Palpatine simply DID the theatrics in addition to suffering damage due to electricity. Why do you insist on positing this extra unnecessary variable?

Because I'm not. You are when you insist that Palpatine must have used an entirely new, never before seen force technique to mutilate (or disguise) his own face just so that he could bluff to a man (Anakin) who had observed Sith lightning firsthand in the past. I'm merely speculating on the nature of known abilities based on the behavior of the characters.

There need not be a new force technique at all. There are numerous shapeshifting species, or, just as easily as the lightning itself causing the observed effect, it could have been a side-effect of channeling that much Evil Power(tm). There is ample evidence of the latter in the EU, and if we exclude that direct evidence, it still requires fewer unobserved explanatory variables to deal with than "the lightning itself has exotic properties" hypothesis, which requires unobserved defensive capabilities on the part of Jedi, actual energy damage yields that do not scale with "Evil Damage" yields or both, all to explain the complete lack of such deformities in light side force users exposed to the ability.

Yes, given that it killed Padme in spite of the fact that she could clearly still breath. How's that for movie evidence of there being something more going on? It clearly sapped her very will given the explanation we got.

She died in childbirth/of a broken heart. There is no on screen evidence of anything but that.

[Norade]

There need not be a new force technique at all. There are numerous shapeshifting species, or, just as easily as the lightning itself causing the observed effect, it could have been a side-effect of channeling that much Evil Power(tm). There is ample evidence of the latter in the EU, and if we exclude that direct evidence, it still requires fewer unobserved explanatory variables to deal with than "the lightning itself has exotic properties" hypothesis, which requires unobserved defensive capabilities on the part of Jedi, actual energy damage yields that do not scale with "Evil Damage" yields or both, all to explain the complete lack of such deformities in light side force users exposed to the ability.

Oh, so you get to use the EU as evidence now but not anybody else. Given that it doesn't clash with what we do see our EU sources are equally valid as your own.

Yes, given that it killed Padme in spite of the fact that she could clearly still breath. How's that for movie evidence of there being something more going on? It clearly sapped her very will given the explanation we got.

She died in childbirth/of a broken heart. There is no on screen evidence of anything but that.

Unless you're saying they missed the physical symptoms what we define as broken-heart-syndrome with their medical tests then you're full of shit. She died of some mystic shit after being force chocked and many other sources say this technique has additional effects.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Oh, so you get to use the EU as evidence now but not anybody else. Given that it doesn't clash with what we do see our EU sources are equally valid as your own.

Learn how to read:

it could have been a side-effect of channeling that much Evil Power(tm). There is ample evidence of the latter in the EU, and if we exclude that direct evidence

I mentioned it, insofar as to show that it is not necessary to draw my conclusion.

Unless you're saying they missed the physical symptoms what we define as broken-heart-syndrome with their medical tests then you're full of shit. She died of some mystic shit after being force chocked and many other sources say this technique has additional effects.

There are no "symptoms" of it. People literally can "lose the will to live" (as the medical droids put it) and this can kill them when they are under extreme physical stress. Think of it like a reverse placebo effect. There is also simple death in childbirth. You know, that thing that happens pretty regularly, particularly when you dont bother to get pre-natal care, like she didnt, because she didnt know she was carrying twins.

In any case, the burden if proof is on you to show that it is anything BUT what is observed/stated.

[Norade]

I mentioned it, insofar as to show that it is not necessary to draw my conclusion.

I'm not sure that evil deforming you was ever mentioned in the movies either so nice try, but play again.

There are no "symptoms" of it. People literally can "lose the will to live" (as the medical droids put it) and this can kill them when they are under extreme physical stress. Think of it like a reverse placebo effect. There is also simple death in childbirth. You know, that thing that happens pretty regularly, particularly when you dont bother to get pre-natal care, like she didnt, because she didnt know she was carrying twins.

In any case, the burden if proof is on you to show that it is anything BUT what is observed/stated.

Great, go read the EU and look at the life draining effects of the force choke technique and get back to me. Also, broken-heart-syndrome does have symptoms, it effects the heart. I would be interested to see how many of these people that just suddenly died have had autopsies done focused on looking for the specific damage to the heart caused by this.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Great, go read the EU and look at the life draining effects of the force choke technique and get back to me. Also, broken-heart-syndrome does have symptoms, it effects the heart. I would be interested to see how many of these people that just suddenly died have had autopsies done focused on looking for the specific damage to the heart caused by this.

You do realize that when I said "of a broken heart" I was speaking figuratively, yes? I was not referring to an actual syndrome, as the context of the statement you just quoted should have made evident.

Either way, she died in childbirth as a result of losing the will to live. Do you have on screen evidence to the contrary? No. Then shut the fuck up about it. EU sources in this threat are irrelevant, unless you are discussing them to show that the information contained therein is not necessary.

I'm not sure that evil deforming you was ever mentioned in the movies either so nice try, but play again.

In a universe where on screen, use of the dark side leads to a form of metaphysical corruption(as stated numerous times), of a person, being physically affected by use of such dark powers is not outside the realm of reason.

That said, when you exclude the EU, as we have done (unless you want me to go into the non-movie powers of Magneto...), then we have a singular event. Namely, the warping of palpatine's face. We have one data point from which to draw a conclusion, unless said conclusion can be inferred from other events, such as other uses of Force Lightning. This is very simple, and it is what is done in actual science. You first try to explain the new phenomenon in terms of other observed phenomenon and their causes. If that fails, then you need to posit a new causal chain, and this should be bound by Parsimony.

The idea that force lightning has exotic properties is not consistent within the terms of this debate, because THE EU IS EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED, and whole new explanations are required to explain other incidences of force lightning where this face-morphing was not observed.

Assuming Palpatine is not really human and is a shapeshifter--this is acceptable because it neatly explains the observed phenomenon without invoking anything new or otherwise unknown.

Assuming palpatine uses an otherwise new force power to shape his face is less acceptable, but still preferable to yours.

Assuming palpatine was physically corrupted by the exertion of using his Dark Power(tm), same thing, and it is internally consistent with the metaphysics of the star wars universe as presented.

If you HAVE to invoke some new explanatory element, for parsimony to be obeyed, and it HAS to at least not be directly contracted by other observed phenomenon seen within the hexilogy, and it should preferably end there, and not require elaborate rationalizations invoking whole new powers and abilities for everyone in order to make it work.

[Lord of the Abyss]

And again, if it is normal electricity, then how could the human body emit such amounts of electricity? Again, are midichlorians some kind of organic hypermatter energy source that can generate gratuitous amounts of electricity while radiating waste heat through neutrinos?

Presumably the energy source is the Dark Side of the Force, not his body.

So you admit that Force Lightning is created by strange woo-woo Force energy that behaves totally not like electricity? This strange woo-woo Force energy is also capable of telekinetically manipulating objects, dissipating energy, perceiving the future, and shits. So Jedi/Sith draw from this strange energy that lets them shoot mind bullets, absorb blaster shots, see the fucking future, but apparently when it comes to blasting sparkly zappy bits, people somehow think that this is not strange woo-woo shit but mundane electricities. What.

If they can move rocks and people telekinetically, why not electricity? As for why I tend to assume that it is electricity or mostly so - the Force is invisible. Force Lightning may or may not have aspects that are purely of the Force, but the fact that it shows up as visible lightning bolts implies that it is at least in part actual lightning.

[Norade]

You do realize that when I said "of a broken heart" I was speaking figuratively, yes? I was not referring to an actual syndrome, as the context of the statement you just quoted should have made evident.

Either way, she died in childbirth as a result of losing the will to live. Do you have on screen evidence to the contrary? No. Then shut the fuck up about it. EU sources in this threat are irrelevant, unless you are discussing them to show that the information contained therein is not necessary.

Except that there is real life evidence for there being a medical condition related to that sort of death. You can't just willfully ignore that because it doesn't suit you. So either she died of a condition that should have been treatable with their level of medical technology or she died of mystic force juju.

That said, when you exclude the EU, as we have done (unless you want me to go into the non-movie powers of Magneto...)

Go ahead.

Just be sure to call me when he can suck you off a planet with a wormhole and then we can talk. He's got nothing on DE Palpatine who could, among other things, toss him into a blackhole from lightyears away.

The idea that force lightning has exotic properties is not consistent within the terms of this debate, because THE EU IS EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED, and whole new explanations are required to explain other incidences of force lightning where this face-morphing was not observed.

It hasn't be excluded at all though, it just says his movie form in that movie. It doesn't say other events in the chain leading up to that movie within a constant in universe timeline are excluded. Magneto loses out because clearly the movie doesn't follow the comic book canon along a neat line. Palpatine wins because all of his sources do.

Assuming Palpatine is not really human and is a shapeshifter--this is acceptable because it neatly explains the observed phenomenon without invoking anything new or otherwise unknown.

You have no proof for that, not to mention the many other sources defeat your claim. I'd be willing to bet that a novelization states him to be human and seeing as those are the movies in book form you can't dodge that.

Assuming palpatine uses an otherwise new force power to shape his face is less acceptable, but still preferable to yours.

Less acceptable than using the answers that we know to be true?

Assuming palpatine was physically corrupted by the exertion of using his Dark Power(tm), same thing, and it is internally consistent with the metaphysics of the star wars universe as presented.

Sorry, novelizations count at the very least and your claim is far more extrodinary than mine. Yours involves a long winded series of logical conclusions, mine involves looking at established canon. Thus by occams razor I win by default.

[Shroom Man 777]

They generate/harness the energy using the force, and project it as electricity. In the case of telekinesis, they do Work at a distance without actually touching the object in question. Pretty fucking simple Shroom.

Force Lightning moves slower than real litening. Yoda's eyes had time to widen before the Force lightning reached him and threw him to wherever.

Force lightning makes weirdo shockwave explosions with light effects when encountering Yoda-resistance-powers.

And Force lightning is produced by, apparently, tapping into some metaphysical energy source unlike other sources of electricity.

Why is it so hard to accept that it's weird woo-woo shit that isn't electricity?

Real litening doesn't make people glow into x-ray skeleton things either, which was what happened to Darth Vader in ROTJ.