Sontarans vs. Galactic Empire

[ThePerson5]

The entire Sontaran Empire accidentally falls through a wormhole to the Star Wars universe. The Galactic Empire, at the height of it's power, takes notice and declares war on the Sontarans.

Which side would win?

[Srelex]

We don't really have enough information on the strength and size on the Sontaran Empire. However, their ships should at least be able to put up a fight, given that in 'The Poison Sky' they laughed off the possibility of a nuclear attack by modern Earth--which doesn't sound too impressive until you remember that contemporary DW nukes can shatter planets.

They also seem to have time travel IIRC, but I don't know how this figures here.

[inviz345]

they can create a 1,000,000 Sontarans in 4 minutes

[ChosenOne54]

Size? Heh.

A single Sontaran individual is capable of producing a million Sontaran offspring a minute (cloning is their reproduction method), combat ready in six days. They have entire planets dedicated to nothing but breeding. And they don't waste those offspring either; basically all their resources are for the military. Number of fleets? At least three million. The 'Three Millionth Fleet' was specifically mentioned in one source, I'll try to find the quote.

As for firepower, Sontaran ships are at least capable of BDZing a planet:
"You could blast this planet out of the sky" - The Doctor, The Sontaran Strategem

The Empire's superweapons could pose a significant threat, but pure numbers would be difficult to overcome.

[Stark]

Are you honestly saying that you think a group of Sontarans can increase a million-fold every six days?

Your post is pretty much a flashback to Star Trek debating circa 2004. Numbered fleets? Hyperbole? Enthusiastic acceptance of baseless dialog? Check, check, and CHECK!

The Sontarans are physically strong but not very durable (at least since they god depowered in the new series by horrible writers) and outside the EU there's no reason to think they control more than a part of the galaxy (at least from 17th to 22nd centuries anyway). They are also canonically amazingly stupid, narrow-minded and unimaginative, so they're unlikely to adapt to the situation vs a new power very well at all.

[NecronLord]

They also seem to have time travel IIRC, but I don't know how this figures here.

They've experimented a few times. Those that did so tended to come to bad ends due to Time Lord.

[Batman]

Size? Heh.
A single Sontaran individual is capable of producing a million Sontaran offspring a minute (cloning is their reproduction method), combat ready in six days.

This being Dr Who, I'll not ask where all that additional mass comes from

Number of fleets? At least three million. The 'Three Millionth Fleet' was specifically mentioned in one source, I'll try to find the quote.

Please do, because by that reasoning, the US Navy currently has about 80 carriers and in excess of 700 nuclear submarines.
Oh, and has over the course of it's existence had a goodly number of fleets with no ships whatsoever.

As for firepower, Sontaran ships are at least capable of BDZing a planet:
"You could blast this planet out of the sky" - The Doctor, The Sontaran Strategem

That's dialogue, and not necessarily particularly reliable dialogue. If memory serves the Doctor was rather agitated when he said that.
I have no idea how long the Sontarans have been around Dr Who, do we have anything a bit more quantifiable?

The Empire's superweapons could pose a significant threat, but pure numbers would be difficult to overcome.

Against am enemy whose infantry can be knocked out by hitting them in the back of the neck with a tennis ball and relies on technobabble to rid their opponents of modern day firearms?

[NecronLord]

This being Dr Who, I'll not ask where all that additional mass comes from

Actually that's easily sorted. It's conventional cloning, not magical asexual reproduction. It comes from food, in the much despised Sontaran Strategem part of the preparation of turning Earth into a cloning world was to seed its atmosphere with a gas called 'clone feed' too, so presumably that's part of the process.

Of course, just because there's millions of Jango Fett clones, doesn't mean the Galactic Republic's army is able to expand infinitely, same applies to the Sontarans.

That's dialogue, and not necessarily particularly reliable dialogue. If memory serves the Doctor was rather agitated when he said that.
I have no idea how long the Sontarans have been around Dr Who, do we have anything a bit more quantifiable?

They've been around for a long time, but Not really. One planned to use human nuclear reactors to blow up the Earth (!) in a Sarah Jane Smith episode, but that's about the only time we've seen real large scale violence from them.

On the other hand, the idea that the Sontarans can instantly pulverise and probably scatter the the mass of a planet is entirely reasonable, given that 21st Century humans in Doctor Who have the means to do so (Tenth Planet, Journey's End) and have nothing on the Sontarans.

[Batman]

This being Dr Who, I'll not ask where all that additional mass comes from

Actually that's easily sorted. It's conventional cloning, not magical asexual reproduction. It comes from food, in the much despised Sontaran Strategem part of the preparation of turning Earth into a cloning world was to seed its atmosphere with a gas called 'clone feed' too, so presumably that's part of the process.

I was mainly objecting to the 'a million offspring a minute' part of that. Because that's a lot of mass.

That's dialogue, and not necessarily particularly reliable dialogue. If memory serves the Doctor was rather agitated when he said that.
I have no idea how long the Sontarans have been around Dr Who, do we have anything a bit more quantifiable?

They've been around for a long time, but Not really. One planned to use human nuclear reactors to blow up the Earth (!) in a Sarah Jane Smith episode, but that's about the only time we've seen real large scale violence from them.
On the other hand, the idea that the Sontarans can instantly pulverise and probably scatter the mass of a planet is entirely reasonable, given that 21st Century humans in Doctor Who have the means to do so (Tenth Planet, Journey's End) and have nothing on the Sontarans.

The moment they pulverized the planet whether or not they can scatter the remains is I suspect of no real importance to the no longer existing inhabitants, but point conceeded. Do we ever find out how they would do this?

[inviz345]

it aint hyperbole if it ture sontana could telport on to the death star. were the doctor says the sontanas can blow earth out of the sky. the nukes would set of the explosion with the chemicals and stop the clone feed which aint setteld. 1 earth size planet was billions of clones The mass cloning techniques they possessed allowed their hatcheries to produce up to 1,000,000 Sontarans in 4 minutesthey can create clone worlds anywhere.

[Stark]

While your post is nearly incoherent and you're clearly an idiot, the dialog assessments show nothing of the sort. As NL says, seeding Earth as a clone world took specific conditions; the idea a Sontaran can replicate a million times in a minute (not that they'd be armed, and god knows how long they'd live without recharging) without support or at will is exceptional and requires specific evidence.

It'd be pretty easy to extract meaning from the quote (some measure of the scale or efficiency of their cloning technology, etc).

[mr friendly guy]

Sontaran armour varies throughout the series. In the 21st century they could be gun down by modern weapons (shitty writing). At the time of the Invasion of Time (which I have no idea what year it is as humans reckon time) they could shrug off K-9's blast. Remember in a specific episode (I think it was one of the Key to Time sextant K-9 vapourised an entire chunk of rocks allowing Tom Baker's doctor to easily walk out). Presumably the latter Sontaran would put up a better fight.

[Srelex]

In regards to their armor against modern rounds, wasn't UNIT using specialist rounds? IIRC they had all sorts of special munitions in the old series, including anti-Dalek rounds, so...

[ChosenOne54]

Sontaran armour varies throughout the series. In the 21st century they could be gun down by modern weapons (shitty writing). At the time of the Invasion of Time (which I have no idea what year it is as humans reckon time) they could shrug off K-9's blast. Remember in a specific episode (I think it was one of the Key to Time sextant K-9 vapourised an entire chunk of rocks allowing Tom Baker's doctor to easily walk out). Presumably the latter Sontaran would put up a better fight.

It could be because Sontaran armour was specifically designed to protect from energy weapons (it makes sense, since they were at war with the Rutans).

[Big Orange]

Also they had that energy wave dampener thingy broadcasting across a lot of the UK factory they controlled that prevented human slug weapons from discharging, so once the dampner field went the Sontarans were caught with their pants down. And yes their soft looking combat suits look like they're geared for protection against weaponry similar to the laser carbines they use (if Sontarans assigned a taskforce to properly fight enemies with slug guns their armour around the torso area would presumably be as reinforced as their enclosed helmets and shoulder pads).

[NecronLord]

I was mainly objecting to the 'a million offspring a minute' part of that. Because that's a lot of mass.

Well, that's using cloning vats. I always took that quote to mean 'a fully operational clone-world decants a million new sontarans every four seconds' (Ir originally referred to the Sontaran Military Academy I believe) or something, with the implication being that their casualties against the Rutans were similarly high.

The moment they pulverized the planet whether or not they can scatter the remains is I suspect of no real importance to the no longer existing inhabitants, but point conceeded. Do we ever find out how they would do this?

The one in Sarah Jane planned to manipulate satellites to deorbit onto nuclear power plants and thus destroy the world (Doctor Who is a bastion of nuclear alarmism, Britain's nukes alone can apparently turn the entire surface into radioactive slag) I'm not sure if it was said to be capable of destroying the planet, it seems unlikely, but it's the only time I remember them planning mass destruction.

Conversely, though, actual planet destroying bombs are pretty damn common in the universe, even at lower technology levels.

[NecronLord]

Also they had that energy wave dampener thingy broadcasting across a lot of the UK factory they controlled that prevented human slug weapons from discharging, so once the dampner field went the Sontarans were caught with their pants down. And yes their soft looking combat suits look like they're geared for protection against weaponry similar to the laser carbines they use (if Sontarans assigned a taskforce to properly fight enemies with slug guns their armour around the torso area would presumably be as reinforced as their enclosed helmets and shoulder pads).

Or alternatively, the Sontarans don't really give a shit about personal protection. Because they are capable of decanting a million every four seconds and they're conditioned to find death in battle glorious.

[Big Orange]

That too. But it seems ill advised to properly asses Sontaran battle tactics when we've mostly seen tiny commando teams or isolated individuals, with the largest group of Sontarans still only being a small sized that came in a modestly sized battlecruiser.

[evilsoup]

Also they had that energy wave dampener thingy broadcasting across a lot of the UK factory they controlled that prevented human slug weapons from discharging, so once the dampner field went the Sontarans were caught with their pants down. And yes their soft looking combat suits look like they're geared for protection against weaponry similar to the laser carbines they use (if Sontarans assigned a taskforce to properly fight enemies with slug guns their armour around the torso area would presumably be as reinforced as their enclosed helmets and shoulder pads).

IIRC, it was some kind of magical magnetic field that stopped the guns from firing, and it stopped working when UNIT switched to special Aluminium casings.

[Big Orange]

IIRC, it was some kind of magical magnetic field that stopped the guns from firing, and it stopped working when UNIT switched to special Aluminium casings.

Oh yeah, and the original copper jacketed bullets couldn't be used because the Sontaran's BS energy field swelled them up and that jammed them in the firing chambers.