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Some of you will be aware that in the last few years, theres been several investigations into private investigators in the employ of News of the World had been hacking into the phone lines of politicians, celebs and the like, well it has now taken a slightly more sinister turn. (IIRC its been mentioned on here before)

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News of the World 'hacked Milly Dowler phone'
An investigator working for the News of the World allegedly hacked into the mobile phone of murdered girl Milly Dowler, a lawyer for the family says.

Mark Lewis said police told her parents that Glenn Mulcaire hacked into her voicemail while she was missing.
The Guardian has claimed he intercepted messages left by relatives and said the NoW deleted some, which gave her parents false hope she was alive.

NoW parent firm News International said the development was of "great concern".
Mr Lewis said the hacking dated from 2002 when the NoW was under the editorship of Rebekah Brooks (nee Wade) - now News International's chief executive.

In a statement he said: "Sally and Bob Dowler have been through so much grief and trauma without further distressing revelations to them regarding the loss of their daughter.

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"It is distress heaped upon tragedy to learn the News of the World have no humanity at such a terrible time.
"The fact that they were prepared to act in such a heinous way that could have jeopardised the police investigation and gave them false hope is despicable."

He also said the Dowlers had been told their own phones were targeted.
The Guardian claims that after Milly's voicemail facility became full, the NoW deleted messages it had already listened to.
It quotes one source as saying that this gave false hope to friends and family, who mistakenly believed that Milly herself had cleared her message inbox and that therefore she was still alive.

By that time, she had been murdered by a nightclub doorman, Levi Bellfield, who was convicted of the killing last month.
The Guardian also alleges that the NoW employed another private investigator, Steve Whittamore, to illegally obtain ex-directory numbers for families called Dowler living in Walton-on-Thames, where Milly and her family lived.

A News International spokesman said it had been co-operating fully with the police inquiry into hacking since News International's "voluntary disclosure in January restarted the investigation into illegal voicemail interception".
He said: "This particular case is clearly a development of great concern and we will be conducting our own inquiries as a result.

"We will obviously co-operate fully with any police request on this should we be asked."
Public figures. Reacting to the story, Tom Watson MP told the Commons it was a "despicable and evil act that will shock parents up and down the land".

He also said it strongly suggested that parliament was misled in the press standards inquiry that was held by the Department for Culture Media and Sport last year.

Former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott, who claims his phone was also hacked, said the case proved Rupert Murdoch - who owns the NoW - should not be allowed to purchase the satellite broadcaster BSkyB.
He said the revelations cast fresh doubt on claims by NoW editors Rebekah Brookes and Andy Coulson that they did not know of hacking by employees of the newspaper.

"It's quite appalling. What alarms me most of all is that basically we have here Rebekah Brookes and also Andy Coulson, who were editor and deputy editor," Mr Prescott said.

"These are the people who said they knew nothing about any of these things that went on. Somebody must have sanctioned it."
In a separate development, a lawyer acting for Colin Stagg has confirmed police contacted him as part of the News of the World phone hacking investigation.

Mr Stagg won more than £700,000 in compensation after being wrongfully arrested over the Rachel Nickell murder.
His solicitor Alex Tribick told the BBC that police had advised Mr Stagg that his name had appeared in documentation associated with the police investigation.

The claims about Milly Dowler are significant in the overall phone hacking inquiry, which has until now focussed largely on the intrusion into the private lives of celebrities.

Nick Davies, the special correspondent from the Guardian who wrote the story, told the BBC:
"The editor of the News of the World at the time that this particular episode took place was Rebekah Brooks, who is now Rupert Murdoch's chief executive in the UK.

"This is one of the very few episodes that happened when she was editing the paper, and she's clearly going to have to answer some questions about what she knew about what was going on."

In January, the High Court will hear claims from five test cases involving public figures who say their phones were hacked into.
They are former footballer Paul Gascoigne, actor Jude Law, sports agent Sky Andrew, interior designer Kelly Hoppen and MP Chris Bryant.

The cases arise out of the disclosure of information by the Metropolitan Police relating to material forfeited by Mulcaire.
He and former NoW royal editor Clive Goodman were jailed in 2007 over tapping the phones of members of the royal household.

Five alleged victims have reached out-of-court settlements with the newspaper, including celebrity publicist Max Clifford, who received a reported £1m.
Five journalists have been arrested over the allegations.
So in summary what we have so far:

Parliament being being mislead by News International, criminal investigations being tampered with and the police being very wary of unleashing their own closeted skeletons. Something is going to have to give way soon, as I suspect we are only just hitting the darker underside of this tale.
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Fucking disgusting. I can understand hacking celebrities' voicemail, one could even argue a public interest argument in some cases; but what the hell were they thinking in this case? What a bunch of dickheads.

I am also inclined to agree with John Prescott on this one: no way should that swine Murdoch be allowed to control the second-largest news broadcaster in the country. Not after all this bullshit.
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According to a certain former Murdoch editor, there are two commonly held maxims among the tabloid press. Firstly, it's only a bad story if no-one's interested in it. Secondly, your reporting methods are only ever unethical if you get called out on it by someone in a position to damage your reputation. Odds are both of them were being applied here, particularly the second one.

What's really telling is that usually in a situation like this, the other right-wing newspapers usually band together (even the non-Murdoch ones) and accuse their left-wing counterparts of carrying out a witchhunt, like in the incident that saw Andy Coulson forced out of David Cameron's PR team. Not so in this case; even the likes of the Daily Mail and the Torygraph are denouncing the NOTW.
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Like I said, I can at least understand the line of thought that would lead them to hack celebrity phones. But this is simply undefensible.
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Why do I get the feeling that the Murdoch press seem to believe they are above cultural norms, or in this case the fucking law?

The Murdoch press in Australia routinely get away with printing misinformation and in some cases, outright lies. Unfortunately, they own 70% of the market.
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There really needs to be jail time for this. If your "hacking" or any unlawful activity is done in the interest of the public with demonstrable evidence that it was so, then I would support it.

But this? It's wankery at its worst. And the NOTW/NewsCorp crew are the biggest wankers in the journalism world.
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I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this, Liverpudlians have been boycotting the Sun since 1989. But then I suppose the rest of Britain was chalking that down to 'scouse sensitivity' or something. The Murdoch press is scum. As they say in Liverpool 'Don't by the Sun'.
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Crown wrote:I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this, Liverpudlians have been boycotting the Sun since 1989. But then I suppose the rest of Britain was chalking that down to 'scouse sensitivity' or something. The Murdoch press is scum. As they say in Liverpool 'Don't by the Sun'.
That's mainly to do with The Sun's coverage of the Hillsborough tradgedy where they printed false claims that Liverpool FC fans pissed on people attempting to help, insitgated violence and generally caused trouble for the emergency services. Given that all the dead in the disaster were Liverpool FC fans they've got a right to be pissed off at The Sun.
As for the rest of Britain the main reasons people buy The Sun are because it's cheap, has a decent enough sports section that focuses on football, tits on page 3 and was one of the first to start offering free magazines/CDs/DVDs/etc. Journalistic integrity and quality doesn't really come into it.

As for the phone hacking, is this only a UK thing or have there been simular revelations else where in the world?
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Crown wrote:I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this, Liverpudlians have been boycotting the Sun since 1989. But then I suppose the rest of Britain was chalking that down to 'scouse sensitivity' or something.
More likely they chalk it down to the actions of The Sun's infamously megalomaniac editor at the time (the same guy, I might add, who said those two maxims I wrote above) rather than the newspaper or the Murdoch organisation itself.
UnderAGreySky wrote:There really needs to be jail time for this. If your "hacking" or any unlawful activity is done in the interest of the public with demonstrable evidence that it was so, then I would support it.
That might be difficult. The guy who actually carried out the hacking has already been convicted on that count, so I believe that Double Jeopardy would apply here. If he was going to be charged with anything, it would probably have to be interfering with a police investigation, and I don't know if that would stick.
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I can't believe this has happened, I'm still in shock. I know we have a pretty cut-throat media, and Murdick Media will do almost anything for a story, but this crosses the line by several miles. Is it to much to ask that Murdoch himself gets some kind of punishment for this? Of course it fucking is.
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Crown wrote:I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this, Liverpudlians have been boycotting the Sun since 1989. But then I suppose the rest of Britain was chalking that down to 'scouse sensitivity' or something. The Murdoch press is scum. As they say in Liverpool 'Don't by the Sun'.
That's mainly to do with The Sun's coverage of the Hillsborough tradgedy where they printed false claims that Liverpool FC fans pissed on people attempting to help, insitgated violence and generally caused trouble for the emergency services. Given that all the dead in the disaster were Liverpool FC fans they've got a right to be pissed off at The Sun.
Hillsborough was what I was referencing when I said 'since 1989', and it's not just LFC fans, but the entire city (and the rest of Merseyside) that boycott that paper.
2000AD wrote:As for the rest of Britain the main reasons people buy The Sun are because it's cheap, has a decent enough sports section that focuses on football, tits on page 3 and was one of the first to start offering free magazines/CDs/DVDs/etc. Journalistic integrity and quality doesn't really come into it.
Ironically the link you provided alludes to the Hillsborough family group organised boycott of the paper can be linked to a continuing drop in price and all the free stuff they keep using to entice people to buy it again.
DaveJB wrote:More likely they chalk it down to the actions of The Sun's infamously megalomaniac editor at the time (the same guy, I might add, who said those two maxims I wrote above) rather than the newspaper or the Murdoch organisation itself.
I think it goes back to the rest of Britain using scousers as a punchline in a joke to be honest. And there's no way I'm buying that MacKenzie is a bigger cunt than Murdoch is, it's just not possible. Murdoch is an amoral opportunist looking to make as much money as possible who has given a platform to dozens like MacKenzie. It's why I don't buy The Sun, don't buy Sky Sports, don't buy etc etc etc.

Also, for those that are outside of the UK and don't know "The Sun" and "The News of the World" are the same paper, NotW is the Sunday publication of The Sun which is why I'm using the two names interchangeably.
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Crown wrote:I think it goes back to the rest of Britain using scousers as a punchline in a joke to be honest.
The reputation of football as a whole was in the toilet at the time of Hillsborough, and its supporters were easy targets. I think that even if the Hillsborough Disaster had involved the Nottingham Forest supporters, or even taken place during a Sheffield Wednesday home match, then we probably would still have seen The Sun putting out a similar article (hell, it's not as if the one they DID put out was based on any form of reality).

Oh, and as a Yorkshireman, I dispute the notion that Scousers get it especially worse than anyone else. :P
And there's no way I'm buying that MacKenzie is a bigger cunt than Murdoch is, it's just not possible. Murdoch is an amoral opportunist looking to make as much money as possible who has given a platform to dozens like MacKenzie. It's why I don't buy The Sun, don't buy Sky Sports, don't buy etc etc etc.
Sure, Murdoch is more evil that MacKenzie overall, there's no denying that. I'm just saying that as far as the whole "Hillsborough: The Truth" mess goes, people seem to view MacKenzie as being primarily responsible, and Murdoch only being responsible insomuch as he put MacKenzie in that position in the first place, and dragged his feet (to say the least) in apologising. I can't say exactly how correct that viewpoint is, but I looked into it while I was at university, and that seemed to be the opinion of most of the academic articles that I looked into.
Also, for those that are outside of the UK and don't know "The Sun" and "The News of the World" are the same paper, NotW is the Sunday publication of The Sun which is why I'm using the two names interchangeably.
Technically, they're not. They're both Murdoch publications and virtually the same ideologically and stylistically, but the NOTW has a different editorial team and mostly a different set of reporters to The Sun, which is why the latter has escaped most of the heat over this phone hacking incident. I wouldn't be surprised if it did come out that The Sun had benefited from their sister publication's actions, but there's no real evidence of that being the case so far.
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You have to say this may well have blown NI's attempt to become the sole owner of BSKYB out of the clean out of the water - theres no way Cameron would have the political cover to allow this now even if it was part of faustian pact all British governments think they have to make with Murdoch.

As for the act itself its beyond the pale especially if the parts about the deleted voicemails giving the Dowler family false hope are true....I hope people involved go to jail over this and that Rebecca Wade's career is ruined.
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Another day, another murder case, another hacking claim

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The parents of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, the two children murdered by Ian Huntley, were contacted by Scotland Yard detectives investigating phone hacking at the News of the World, it emerged on Tuesday.

A spokesman for Cambridgeshire police said they were aware that the families of Wells and Chapman were contacted by the Metropolitan police about two months ago.

It is believed the families were warned there was evidence to suggest they were targeted by Glenn Mulcaire, the private investigator who was formerly employed by the paper.

The families are thought to be seeking further clarification from the Met but are not currently commenting. Scotland Yard is conducting an investigation, Operating Weeting, into the News of the World phone-hacking allegations.
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Holy christ, this just gets worse and worse.
TC27 wrote:As for the act itself its beyond the pale especially if the parts about the deleted voicemails giving the Dowler family false hope are true....I hope people involved go to jail over this and that Rebecca Wade's career is ruined.
News International seem to have been trying to throw Wade's former colleagues (e.g. Andy Coulson and Ian Edmondson) to the wolves in an attempt to try and distance her from having had anything to do with this. She at least had plausible deniability until now, since the only confirmed incidents took place after Coulson had become editor, but the fact that they carried out mailbox hacking in two murder cases under Wade's editorship puts her in a very, very bad position.
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An emergency debate has been called in the Commons for tomorrow about the issue. Quite significant grumblings coming from the Lords as well.
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Bloody hell, did anyone just see the piece on C4 news? Essentially, they have alleged evidence of this happening for atleast the last two decades and they were targeting police officers investigating murder in the late 90's. The Police set up a counter-espionage operation against them!

I'll put it here when it appears online later.

Now, I may be being incredibly morbid, but I have a sinking feeling that we'll be hearing about Sarah Payne soon. After that, what could make the public even more furious? Steven Lawrence?
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Channel 4 News has made claims about how investigators at News of the World were involved in monitoring high profile police personnel. Here's an outline of its report:

It said a Detective Chief Superintendent Dave Cook, a senior police officer who appeared on Crimewatch, claimed he was told by colleagues that he was under surveillance by News of the World in 2002.

The C4 report said police discovered that vans leased to News of the World had been witnessed tailing Cook. It said NoW was investigating whether Cook was having an affair with Jackie Haynes, a Crimewatch presenter who was in fact his wife.

C4 says the timing of the NoW surveillance was disturbing because suspects in a case being investigated by Cook were private investigators with close links to NoW.

C4 added that Brooks was challenged by police over this at a meeting in 2002. News International was quoted saying it was not aware of the claims but would investigate. It said it could not confirm or deny Brooks' meeting with police.

It said Cook and Haynes were informed two months ago about documentation of surveillance found among notes seized from Glenn Mulcaire. It said they were both considering legal action.
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ROFLMAO

If the Torries have to throw Murdoch's cronies under the bus, they can kiss goodbye his unwavering support for the next elections. This is brilliant!*



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Apparently the McGanns have been informed they may have been hacked as well. Anyone else from the Whose-Who-of-the-Murdered-Children-of-Britain left off this list then? :shock: Sheeesh
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Wow Hugh Grant pretty much laying it all out in regards to how high the corruption regarding Murdoch, the Torries (and lesser extent Labour) and the Metropolitan; scary and revealing shit (part 1 & part 2 also available).

What's MOST important is that the politicians are completely paralysed by fear at pissing off the Murdoch press.
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Dartzap wrote:Apparently the McGanns have been informed they may have been hacked as well. Anyone else from the Whose-Who-of-the-Murdered-Children-of-Britain left off this list then? :shock: Sheeesh
That's going to be a big one if it turns out to be true. McCann went missing in mid-2007, several months after Coulson had resigned and the people involved in the hacking scandal had been initially convicted, so it'd prove that the papers in question had carried on doing it without giving a flying fuck.

Which I kind of expected to be the case anyway, but hey, cast-iron proof is always nice!
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Detectives from Scotland Yard’s team investigating the phone hacking scandal are in the process of contacting a “handful” of the 52 bereaved families whose names or phone numbers have appeared as part of their inquiry, sources told the Daily Telegraph.

It is thought that journalists were seeking to access voice messages left on family members’ phones as they desperately waited for information about their loved ones in the aftermath of the bombings in 2005.
It is unclear if they were aware at that stage that their relatives had died in the bombings.
The news will come as a deep shock to the relatives affected, coming as it does on the eve of the sixth anniversary of the bombings.

Last night Clifford Tibber, solicitor for a number of the families, said he was unaware of the development but added: “This will cause heartache for all the families involved. The anniversary is such an emotional moment for everybody who was caught up in the bombings and many of them still struggle at this time of year.”
Its the story that keeps on pissing on peoples graves! Oh and apparently NoTW have handed over emails about giving police officers bungs. That bits not as shocking, really.
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Jeebus. I'd caught whiffs of this from glancing at the morning paper, but I hadn't realised it went this far.

I would agree with Crown that the most worrying part is the politicians being scared shitless of pissing off Murdoch. Oh what an absurd land we live in!

I hope someone gets thrown in a dark hole over this. It's beyond sinister and well into obscene now.
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For a time in england it was legal to hack phones up to 2000 when it became illegal.
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