Legal question and possible recourse.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 03:31pm

As I've said, I run a porn server, and as a result of this I run across snuff on occassion, much to my disgust.

Anyway, someone uploaded what appears to be a genuine snuff film to my server (I'm not willing to watch it all the way through to check), and I've got the person's _current_ IP address. The file was called "real_snuff.mpg". Needless to say, it is no longer on the server.

Does anyone know who I can contact to report this person, or what I should do about the film?

This is a serious question. I will not post a link to the movie on this board. If someone wishes to determine the realism of the film, contact me and we'll talk.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-01 04:26pm

And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-01 04:27pm

I'm not sure exactly who to talk to, but you'd probably do best calling number one, your lawyer, and number two, the local police, who could direct you to the proper authorities. More importantly, there'd be a record of you contacting law enforcement about it sooner rather than later. Don't count on your good intentions to cover your ass down the road.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-03-01 04:27pm

HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?

Necrophilia with freshly dead bodies using violence and basically fucking any and every hole (including inflicted ones) on the dead body.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-01 04:28pm

HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?

It's porn where someone is killed. If it's genuine, it's worse than kiddie porn as far as the law is concerned.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-01 04:42pm

Ah, makes sense.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-03-01 04:46pm

Contact a lawyer, contact the local police and ask for further instructions. If you do that you ought to be safe and the person responsible for it might be caught.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 05:15pm

verilon wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?
Necrophilia with freshly dead bodies using violence and basically fucking any and every hole (including inflicted ones) on the dead body.

I tend to include movies/images of killings posted in a sexual context, as this movie was.

Necrophilia doesn't need to involve killing someone.

Thanks for your responses, folks. I hate getting this stuff...

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 05:53pm

OK, the upload came from Germany/Holland. I'm called the FBI about it, they referred me to www.ifccfbi.gov...

Now to find this guy's location and who his cops are...

Correction: One trace says Holland/Germany, one says San Diego and can't parse farther.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-03-01 08:15pm

Quick and simple answer to what necrophilia is would something like;

Necrophilia is obtaining sexual arousal and gratification by having sexual contact with dead bodies.

Copied from http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/necrophilia.html

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-03-01 08:23pm

Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 08:47pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.

There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-01 08:54pm

Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP?

Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you...

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 09:15pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP?
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you...

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!

OK, first, the disclaimer:

This might not be the right IP, I can't say 100%. 95%, yes.

The IP, as logged, was xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx under the username of "xenophile".

When I ping that IP, I get the URL "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". When I go to this URL, it gives me an Apache config page. Finding a 404 gives this URL and e-mail: http://XXXXXXX.serveftp.com/xeno/ and XXXX@XXXXXXX.serveftp.com.

Also, I don't see the movie in question in the public files. I do see a bunch of underage p0rn, however...

On second though, I'm not gonna post the info. Please delete the info from your post...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-01 09:29pm

Cap'n Hector wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote: There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP?
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you...

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!
OK, first, the disclaimer:

This might not be the right IP, I can't say 100%. 95%, yes.

The IP, as logged, was EDITED OUT AT REQUEST under the username of "xenophile".

When I ping that IP, I get the URL "ipEDITED OUT AT REQUEST.hu.sd.cox.net". When I go to this URL, it gives me an Apache config page. Finding a 404 gives this URL and e-mail: http://xenophile.serveftp.com/xeno/ and xeno@xenophile.serveftp.com.

Also, I don't see the movie in question in the public files. I do see a bunch of underage p0rn, however...

And if the mods want this removed, I'll remove it.

REPORT HIM AS A FUCKING PEDOPHILE!!!
You can also report him to abuse@COX.net (I think), and it looks like he's in the San Diego area by the rDNS adress.

EDIT: Yup, I was right! http://support.cox.net/custsup/abuse/abuse.shtml

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-01 09:41pm

BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-01 09:57pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...

Sounds good, but ask 'em to leave some evidence. I'm calling Cox and asking them to report him to the cops. I think we can get him arrested. If not, we can still find his computer....

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-01 10:06pm

Cap'n Hector wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...
Sounds good, but ask 'em to leave some evidence. I'm calling Cox and asking them to report him to the cops. I think we can get him arrested. If not, we can still find his computer....

Also, please delete the address info from your post...let's get his ass in the slammer!

Address Info?

EDIT: I see you have IRC capability...

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2003-03-01 11:29pm

PM me the relevant data, I hate pedophiles with a passion. Once I have the data I'll give it to some good friends with very high level computer "service" skills, and I too will do something if needed. (i.e. if he's not arrested, there WILL be a smoking crater where his comp was.)

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-03-02 01:58am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP?
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you...

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!

Hack the PLANET!!
I hope this guy seriously gets the ping of death followed by a federal warrent.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-03-02 02:36am

Fucking pedophiles....

What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.

Cap'n Hector · Post by **Cap'n Hector** » 2003-03-02 02:43am

Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles....
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.

I'm going to on Monday, unless someone knows a number for the correct branch of the FBI. The one I have is a Monday-Friday one to a non-profit, as the URL I gave above shows....

I just hope Cox leaves his account up long enough to get him...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-03-02 02:45am

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-03-02 03:16am

Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles....
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.

Imho I find pedophilia much worse than Necrophilia.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-03-02 03:20am

Rubberanvil wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles....
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.
Imho I find pedophilia much worse than Necrophilia.

In my book, they're all equally bad.
One time I stumbled across a necrophiliac pic on the net....

God, I wanted to barf after seeing that....