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Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen, a man who helped the fall of the Iron Curtain and one of the biggest advocates of an united Europe, which always was one of his biggest dreams he had worked tirelessly for, has died.
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Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
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Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
I met him once when he was visiting the United States. The area where I live was settled by large numbers of Austrian immigrants, and he came here to the backside of nowhere for that reason; I played in a string quartet at that time and we were engaged to play for the formal reception. We didn't talk for very long, really only exchanged pleasantries, but he seemed a nice enough gentleman. I'm sorry to hear the news.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
That is a real shame. From all the deposed nobility, he seemed to be the one most earnest in working for the betterment of Europe. One of the last proponents of noblesse oblige.
I hope his funeral will be worthy of the man.
I hope his funeral will be worthy of the man.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
Yes, he was the embodiment of the benevolent monarch you would want to have.
He will be carried to the Kapuzinergruft next sunday, and his heart will go to Györ next monday, as family tradition demands.
He will be carried to the Kapuzinergruft next sunday, and his heart will go to Györ next monday, as family tradition demands.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
Since the wikipedia page didn't explain it: What are the purposes of the various crypts? I mean I understand about removing viscera to embalm the body, but why did they start separating all the individual pieces? Was there a significant or symbolic reason or was it just a prestige thing?
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Iirc it carries back to the reliquae, meaning that the heart of a catholic monarch is sacred.
EDIT: And Europeans do not enbalm people.
EDIT: And Europeans do not enbalm people.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
Catherine of Aragon begs to disagree. That's the most obvious off-hand example.Thanas wrote:Iirc it carries back to the reliquae, meaning that the heart of a catholic monarch is sacred.
EDIT: And Europeans do not enbalm people.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
And she is probably close to being the only one as well. Embalming was done very sporadically and usually only if the body had to travel before being buried.
Enbalming is not performed in European cemetaries and some outright forbid it, as the graves are reused ever 30 years or so.
Enbalming is not performed in European cemetaries and some outright forbid it, as the graves are reused ever 30 years or so.
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The Requiem has started.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
What uniforms are the pallbearers wearing?Thanas wrote:
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I believe these are the Gebirgsjäger (mountain rangers).
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
On a similar note, what's the older gentleman at the front of the pallbearers wearing? More specifically, what's it's significance?
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
That is just traditional garb of the region.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
He looks like a vampire slayer waiting for the corpse or his nightmarish minions to attack someone. 
Cool outfit, though.
Cool outfit, though.
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Re: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen dies at 98
That'd be a more entertaining explanation for why they're burying the Otto's heart separate from his body.General Schatten wrote:He looks like a vampire slayer waiting for the corpse or his nightmarish minions to attack someone.
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