Torchwood: Miracle Day thread

[NecronLord]

Who in the actual show business, the people who sometimes give him awards and never stopped allowing him to make big budget shows, didn't accuse RTD of being a good writer?

Appeal to false Authority.

There is no disputing taste.

That means that anyone's taste is as valid as anyone else's, and any one person's taste is as valid as any group of people's.

It could be that someone thinks Russel T Davies is a better writer than William Shakespeare.

There is no way to prove otherwise, no matter how many people think otherwise.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Speculation on the plot, Jack is now mortal, everyone else is immortal, it looks like all Jacks special energy stuff that Rose dumped on him has been transfered to everyone else on the planet.

Possible, but unlikely I think. Jack's thing meant he would die, heal, and revive. Quite different from "get impaled/executed/exploderised but STILL alive." Besides, as I understand it, it wasn't so much energy Rose dumped into him as making him "a fixed point in time," so he couldn't not be alive.

If anything, it's more like what happenned to Owen, as no one is healing apparently, they just stay "alive." Maybe someone found a bigger Risen Mitten and is arsing around with it?

Orrrrr......it's all a side-effect of everyone getting turned into the Master from End of Time?

And Captain Spiro, I too was wondering if someone caught in, say, a nuclear blast might survive.

[NecronLord]

Orrrrr......it's all a side-effect of everyone getting turned into the Master from End of Time?

I was reminded of the 'Immortality Gate' from that episode actually, if closer to its intended form.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Maybe it, or something similar has malfunctioned, liek the Nanogenes did? Some big field setting the "default human status" to "not dead."

[Crossroads Inc.]

Maybe it, or something similar has malfunctioned, liek the Nanogenes did? Some big field setting the "default human status" to "not dead."

It would be an interesting way to tie things into the very first Cpt jack episode. After all the Nanobots didn't vanish, the Doctor just seemed to change their programing to make people into mindless Mask faces.

But they were still "Out there"

What if something finally happened and they malfunctioned again?

[Eternal_Freedom]

I get the feeling that the nanogenes, or the immortality gate thing would be just a bit too clever for some of the writers to handle.

[Bedlam]

I get the feeling that the nanogenes, or the immortality gate thing would be just a bit too clever for some of the writers to handle.

I think the problem would be more that it would require you to have past experience of Dr Who and a specific few stories from several years ago. I think the series is probably attempting more of a reboot that is stand alone without seeing previous Dr Who strories.

Is there any confirmation is the un dying dont heal by themselves? As its only been a day or two in the story so far I dont think it would be easy to tell yet, fatal wounds wont have had time to knitted much if they are healing at a normal ish rate, as for crispy guy I would assume if hes healing at a normal rate it would take several years for him to return to normal. The next week section suggests that they arn't as it shows hospitals being overwhelmed quite quickly although they would if it took each fatality a month to heal rather than never healing.

[tortieconspiracy]

Well, I've undergone major abdominal surgery, and it took me at least three days before I was discharged, and even then I was on pain meds and keeping my activities to a minimum for about a week after. Full recovery required at least a month.

I'd think trauma that should have been lethal would take longer to recover from. I get the impression that the undying are not recovering from medical problems that would have been lethal previously where medical problems are reasons for needing healthcare that don't involve trauma. Trauma is not so clear cut.

Matheson, specifically, is probably doing a fine job of re-traumatizing himself by refusing to take it easy, so even if the traumatized are healing, he's screwing up his own recovery.

[Lord Woodlouse]

So far it seems to me the whole Torchwood all over the internet thing was intended to lure Jack back to Earth so he could erase it. Once back whatever weird energy inside him was somehow used to do this morphic field thing to the rest of the planet.

[Iroscato]

This has got to be the shittest kind of immortality ever. You still age, you apparently don't heal very fast, and you can still feel pain, so that soldier that blew himself up will be in absolute, unendurable AGONY for eternity. I'll pass thanks...

[tortieconspiracy]

Yeah, it looks like the struldbrugs look good by comparison. At least the struldbrugs aren't conscious 24/7.

Judging by who's taking advantage, maybe pain is the point. I don't think this makes any sense. Also, it looks like I was right about Matheson re-injuring himself.

[Crazedwraith]

So episode three... I'm really not getting enthused about this show. It'd not bad, its just seems dreary, I did like some stuff, like Drunk Jack ringing Gwen but a lot its just... meh.

And speaking of Jack, is even omni-sexual anymore? Just seems like they've decided they like making a statement with all the gay stuff. I may not be being fair, after all the gay club was a spur of the moment thing (for the character anyway) and we did see his kids Children Of Earth. But they seemed to have toned down the 'will hit on anything' aspect of his character.

[FaxModem1]

Well, since Children of Earth, his grandson and lover died, and in his mind, both by his hand. The man isn't into the flirty thing anymore. To me, it seems he's more on a path of just going through the motions with it.


One thing that's bugging me, Torchwood is now on season 4, and we've never found out whatever happened to the 2 year gap in Jack's memories from the Empty Child two parter. Did he just not care anymore?

[tortieconspiracy]

As far as the memory gap goes, given the Doctor's penchant for disabling Jack's vortex manipulator, the only chance Jack would have had to find out would have been when his ex-partner dropped in to visit, and that's assuming that "Captain Hart" had any clue himself. Jack was just a little bit distracted during those visits. Also, after the first century of kicking around Earth, two years probably doesn't seem that important anymore, never mind being buried for over a millennium.

[FaxModem1]

So, presented with this Miracle Day, what would be the practical and reasonable thing to do? Or is there not such a thing?

[FaxModem1]

Okay, after watching episode 4, unless we're going to be introduced to someone who hasn't been on Doctor Who or Torchwood before, I'm going with the Family of Blood or nanogenes. Because the Family of Blood is the only family I can think of, and the Nanogenes are the only thing like this that Jack has met before. Either that, or its something to do with the gloves. Think we'll finally get an answer on those, as they've been in since the first episode of Torchwood?

[dragon]

Well Jack is thousands of years old so it could be someone or something he ran into off screen. But damn being alive inside a crushed car that's just mean.

[tortieconspiracy]

If you poke around the Starz website, you'll find the first episode of a cartoon (they called a "motion comic," and the animation is awful) called Torchwood: Web of Lies" which runs in two parallel tracks. One in the present day as a young woman whose brother was shot for knowing too much tries to find out what he knew about the "miracle," and the other centered around Gwen and Jack in 2007 involved in something related to the events of the current series. Oh, the rest of the cartoon? Apparently is only available as an iPhone app. Since I don't have an iPhone, I can't get it.

I'm betting the critical details are in the app.

[Stark]

The app is free, but you have to pay for the further parts of it. I haven't bothered looking at it.

[FaxModem1]

Spoilers for episode 5

Sweet christ, a daily holocaust to those they can't treat. Are the people still alive as ash?

[Eternal_Freedom]

Saw episode 4 on thursday (damn yanks being ahead) and damn it they've done the same thing with the preview that they did with Children of Earth:

"If you're watching this, we fucked up and civilisation ended, blah blah blah whine we're too late bullshit."

I am not exactly thrilled at the prospect.

[HMS Sophia]

Sweet christ, a daily holocaust to those they can't treat. Are the people still alive as ash?

Plausibly, but they couldn't sense anything as ash (no receptors) so... not technically?

I think that would be the limit for 'life'. Once you have no brain, no receptors, then how can you define it as life even if a soul is still stored within the ashes, assuming there is a soul yadda yadda...

[Crazedwraith]

Oops. I totally forgot this was on today. Shows how utterly compelling it is I suppose, Can I be arsed iPlayering it?

[Big Orange]

They've got repeats on BBC 2 on late Monday evenings. I must say that ten episodes is too much for the storyline and it kinda plods in places. I disliked how they offed that likable female doctor.

That douchebag running the body incinerator units is that guy from the LVPD crime lab that didn't get on well with Gil Grissom, isn't he?

[PREDATOR490]

As a standalone series this might work but taking part in the Whoverse just makes this fundamentally retarded concept.

If I needed a Doctor on the inside to tell me what was going on, wouldnt it be prudent to call up say... I dont know... MARTHA JONES.
ESPECIALLY since she has the means to contact THE Doctor.

I'll give credit for managing to make me extremely uncomfortable with the situation but I cannot believe it took them THAT long to figure out what was happening to the Cat 1 patients.
The warehouse that is 'bigger on the inside' - Uhm, I thought that was Timelord / Silence technology

Torchwood really is an utter failure of a series because they keep running into that glaring fact of being in the whoverse history. Everytime they bring up Torchwood, Jack being a Captain or whats special about Jack they seem to chicken out and avoid the obvious exposition thats gonna play out. So far this season has repeatedly run into this problem and I can only expect it to continue.

We are a spin off that uses fundamental components from the parent show but we are totally going to use those fundamentals without acknowledging where they come from and have a situation where:

A) New fans watch this and are clueless - Why is Jack Immortal, where was this covered, why is Jack a captain, who the fuck are Torchwood. Who is Yanto blah blah

B) Parent show fans watch this and get annoyed - Why the fuck isnt anyone mentioning the Doctor, mentioning 'Bigger on the inside' is supposedly Timelord technology, why is everyone shocked, surprised at the idea of aliens and invasions given the past events ?

This is the same shit that made SGU annoying.