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Well, Wikileaks managed to accidentally leak the entire package of diplomatic cables. That is the uncensored copy.

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For the second time in a year, WikiLeaks has lost control of its full, unredacted cache of a quarter-million US State Department cables—and this time the leaked files are apparently online.

The uncensored cables are contained in a 1.73GB password-protected file named cables.csv, which is reportedly circulating somewhere on the Internet, according to Steffen Kraft, editor of the German paper Der Freitag. Kraft announced last week that his paper had found the file and easily obtained the password to unlock it.

Unlike the cables that WikiLeaks has been publishing piecemeal since last fall, these cables are raw and unredacted, and contain the names of informants and suspected intelligence agents that were blacked out of the official releases. Der Freitag said the documents include the names of suspected agents in Israel, Jordan, Iran and Afghanistan, and noted that interested parties—such as the Iranian government or intelligence agencies—could have already discovered and decrypted the file to uncover the names of informants.

“The story is that a series of lapses as far as I can see on behalf of WikiLeaks and its affiliates has led to the possibility a file becoming generally available which it never should have been available,” confirmed former WikiLeaks staffer Herbert Snorrason, of Iceland, who left the organization as part of a staff revolt last year, and is now part of the competing site OpenLeaks.

Information about the exposed file and password was also confirmed by the German newsweekly Der Spiegel. According to that publication, the cables were contained in an encrypted file that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had stored on a subdirectory of the organization’s server last year, which wasn’t searchable from the Internet by anyone who didn’t already know its location.

Assange had reportedly given the password for the file to an “external contact” to access the file’s contents. With both the file and the password now online, the leak is complete.

“The issue is double: on one hand there is the availability of the encrypted file, and on the other the release of the password to the encrypted file,” Snorrason told Threat Level on Monday. “And those two publications happened separately.”

The password leak was done “completely inadvertently,” Snorrason added. He declined to identify the leaker, or the circumstances of the leak, but said it was someone who was neither with WikiLeaks nor OpenLeaks.

Last year, former WikiLeaks spokesman Daniel Domscheit-Berg and another WikiLeaks staffer led a staff revolt at WikiLeaks following a rift with Assange, and finally left the organization and set up OpenLeaks.org. When they left WikiLeaks, they took the contents of the WikiLeaks server with them, which included the encrypted file. Last December, Domscheit-Berg returned most of what he had taken, including the file containing the cables.

Wikileaks supporters subsequently released an archive of the data that Domscheit-Berg had returned, as a public service to provide readers with access to everything WikiLeaks had previously published. But among the documents was the encrypted file containing the cables. Several months later, the person to whom Assange had provided the password somehow made it public online. Der Spiegel doesn’t elaborate on precisely why or how that person published the password, and Snorrason declined to say more, for fear of guiding people to the password.

“It’s not very obvious how the password was made available, and we’re not keen on making it any more obvious how or why it might have been published,” Snorrason said.

Both the encrypted file and password went unnoticed until recently. Der Spiegel implies that Domscheit-Berg or someone else connected to his rival OpenLeaks organization was responsible for calling Der Freitag’s attention to the file and password to make a point that WikiLeaks is unable to properly secure the data it possesses. Domscheit-Berg did not immediately respond to an e-mail query from Threat Level on Monday.

After nine months of slow, steady publication, last week WikiLeaks abruptly opened the spiggot on its cable publications, spewing out over 130,000 by Monday afternoon—more than half the total database.

This is not the first time that WikiLeaks has lost control of its database of cables. Last year, as the organization and its media partners were beginning preparations to publish stories related to the cables, a WikiLeaks member gave the database to a freelance reporter, Heather Brooke. Brooke was not a member of the approved cabal of media outlets that had been given access to the documents and her possession of them threatened to derail the plans that WikiLeaks and its media partners had hammered out for publication. The Guardian newspaper in the UK subsequently secured agreement from Brooke that she wouldn’t publish any of the cables or stories related to them, herself.

WikiLeaks responded to the leak on Twitter on Monday by writing: “There has been no ‘leak at WikiLeaks’. The issue relates to a mainstream media partner and a malicious individual.”
This probably doesn't bode well for Wikileaks. Accidental or deliberate, having the raw uncensored data with no accounting for individual harm. It is going to make the situation even more tense.
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Not to mention that now WikiLeaks doesn't have any hold over the US anymore, not that I'm aware at least.

So much for their assertion that "no one has been harmed" in releasing this information.
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So far it is not clear what exactly happened, but it does not bode well so far.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Not to mention that now WikiLeaks doesn't have any hold over the US anymore, not that I'm aware at least.

So much for their assertion that "no one has been harmed" in releasing this information.
No one was harmed with the material that WikiLeaks released on its own, as far as has been determined. I think that it would be psychologically beneficial for you to acknowledge the real reason you dislike WikiLeaks, rather than blaming it for the unauthorized release of an encryption key.
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Wikileaks was at least making an effort to release the information methodically and with an aim to cause as little harm to innocent individuals. The total release of documentation could have more significant and drastic results. "Collaborators" of the US could face significant harm. Wikileaks is guilty of poor security (unless it can be proven they did this deliberately to get released, which seems highly unlikely), nothing more. But any damage done will be attributed to them. And governments with less idealistic justice systems or organizations with more sinister goals will use this information.

This seems to the the story of the summer that hardly anyone is reporting. This event could potentially spell disaster for the Wikileaks ideals purely through bad press. Then again, the media has grown tired of the story apparently and moved on.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Not to mention that now WikiLeaks doesn't have any hold over the US anymore, not that I'm aware at least.

So much for their assertion that "no one has been harmed" in releasing this information.
No one was harmed with the material that WikiLeaks released on its own, as far as has been determined. I think that it would be psychologically beneficial for you to acknowledge the real reason you dislike WikiLeaks, rather than blaming it for the unauthorized release of an encryption key.
Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonious little shit.

Naturally, they're at least partly responsible for what happens in this situation, not to mention that we don't know whether it's an accidental release or not.
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Zentai, by your logic the US is also responsible for what happens, as they lost it in the first place.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonious little shit.

Naturally, they're at least partly responsible for what happens in this situation, not to mention that we don't know whether it's an accidental release or not.
This moderator is not amused by your attitude and argument. Back up your claims.

If I leave my door unlocked, it is partly my responsibility for getting robbed? The police could fine me with 25% responsibility of the crime of myself being robbed?

Wikileaks is guilty of poor security. Period. Poor security does not equate guilt of crimes committed by the thieves who take advantage of the security. Only if they deliberately kept their security poor could you argue any reasonable degree of responsibility.
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Naturally they are. Those were their secrets, after all, and there were a ridiculous number of people with access to these documents.

Though they didn't go around advertising the fact that they had such-and-such specific information to would be hackers. But that's another issue.
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Lord Zentei wrote: Go fuck yourself, you sanctimonious little shit.

And as if they're not responsible for what happens in this situation, not to mention that we don't know whether it's an accidental release or not.
Touchy, touchy. Release, sir, release.

Explain how WikiLeaks is responsible beyond trusting the wrong individual and making a mistake in releasing data after losing a number of personnel. I bet it's going to revolve around them not being supposed to have access to this data. In that case, you should (again) elucidate your real complaint.

But you also suggest that they did so deliberately. I have to ask why you consider this to be equally reasonable to the story that they have presented. Do you have some information to counter the actions taken by WikiLeaks, which are inconsistent to your paranoid imagining?
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Alyeska wrote:This moderator is not amused by your attitude and argument. Back up your claims.

If I leave my door unlocked, it is partly my responsibility for getting robbed? The police could fine me with 25% responsibility of the crime of myself being robbed?

Wikileaks is guilty of poor security. Period. Poor security does not equate guilt of crimes committed by the thieves who take advantage of the security. Only if they deliberately kept their security poor could you argue any reasonable degree of responsibility.
My attitude is in proportion to the provocation, if you'll read the post I responded to.

Your analogy is ridiculous, since compensation cannot be paid to yourself by yourself. If you're guilty of poor security, then you're guilty of the consequences of such to others. The US is also responsible for the consequences of their poor security, for that matter.
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Bakustra wrote:Touchy, touchy. Release, sir, release.
Right back at you. Why do you react so badly to a critique of Wikileaks? The comment that they can no longer claim that no-one is harmed by the release of information in their possession is objectively true, like it or not. Perhaps you should "psychologically evaluate" your own defense of them.
Bakustra wrote:Explain how WikiLeaks is responsible beyond trusting the wrong individual and making a mistake in releasing data after losing a number of personnel. I bet it's going to revolve around them not being supposed to have access to this data. In that case, you should (again) elucidate your real complaint.

But you also suggest that they did so deliberately. I have to ask why you consider this to be equally reasonable to the story that they have presented. Do you have some information to counter the actions taken by WikiLeaks, which are inconsistent to your paranoid imagining?
No. I said that we don't know whether the act was deliberate or not.
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Lord Zentei wrote:My attitude is in proportion to the provocation, if you'll read the post I responded to.
A reasonable statement was made to you. You flew off the handle.
Your analogy is ridiculous, since compensation cannot be paid to yourself by yourself. If you're guilty of poor security, then you're guilty of the consequences of such to others. The US is also responsible for the consequences of their poor security, for that matter.
I provide poor security because my lock I built is easy to pick. A criminal picks the lock and murders someone on the other side of the lock. I am guilty of aiding and abetting murder. According to you.
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Alyeska wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:My attitude is in proportion to the provocation, if you'll read the post I responded to.
A reasonable statement was made to you. You flew off the handle.
If saying that it's "psychologically beneficial" to a poster to admit to a strawman of his position isn't due provocation, then I really don't know what to say.
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Your analogy is ridiculous, since compensation cannot be paid to yourself by yourself. If you're guilty of poor security, then you're guilty of the consequences of such to others. The US is also responsible for the consequences of their poor security, for that matter.
I provide poor security because my lock I built is easy to pick. A criminal picks the lock and murders someone on the other side of the lock. I am guilty of aiding and abetting murder. According to you.
Bad analogy again. If you advertise that you have something in your possession which is a danger if released then you're morally responsible for the security of that thing.
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At the time of the original leaks, the argument was made that Wikileaks should not be sitting on such a mountain of sensitive and classified information at all, because of the potential for harm if it were released.

At the time, people might well counter this by saying "Wikileaks is being responsible, and their releases of the information aren't hurting anyone."

Unfortunately, we now see that there was another problem- Wikileaks, say what you will about it, isn't the world's greatest keeper of secrets. We see that when you leave such a large block of sensitive information in the hands of a private organization with limited security, sooner or later it winds up getting out of the private organization's control. We can no longer say with any confidence that the release of this information isn't going to result in people being harmed.

It's pretty likely that people will be harmed by this release of the Wikileaks information.

Does that mean Wikileaks is at fault? I'm not saying that.
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Lord Zentei wrote:Bad analogy again. If you advertise that you have something in your possession which is a danger if released then you're morally responsible for the security of that thing.
I advertise that I make locks. Locks make people safer. Criminal defeats the lock and someone dies.

Sounds pretty similar.
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Alyeska wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:Bad analogy again. If you advertise that you have something in your possession which is a danger if released then you're morally responsible for the security of that thing.
I advertise that I make locks. Locks make people safer. Criminal defeats the lock and someone dies.

Sounds pretty similar.
No, because you're not keeping dangerous items behind those locks. If you're a bank whose security vault was broken into, and who was entrusted with it, then that's another matter *. See the comparison?


* Especially after you released knowledge that you had the item to all and sundry, released some of it and boasted that you had more to give, but that it was safe in your possession and that you were keeping that item.
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Alyeska wrote:Wikileaks was at least making an effort to release the information methodically and with an aim to cause as little harm to innocent individuals. The total release of documentation could have more significant and drastic results. "Collaborators" of the US could face significant harm. Wikileaks is guilty of poor security (unless it can be proven they did this deliberately to get released, which seems highly unlikely), nothing more. But any damage done will be attributed to them. And governments with less idealistic justice systems or organizations with more sinister goals will use this information.

This seems to the the story of the summer that hardly anyone is reporting. This event could potentially spell disaster for the Wikileaks ideals purely through bad press. Then again, the media has grown tired of the story apparently and moved on.
Why put the word collaborators in scare quotes? Are we talking about collaborators here? If so, tough titty for them. If we're talking about innocent people (NOT collaborators) then Wikileaks isn't responsible, the US government is for putting these innocent people in that position to begin with.
And governments with less idealistic justice systems or organizations with more sinister goals will use this information.
Like the CIA and Obama's Justice Department?
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Lord Zentei wrote:
Bakustra wrote:Touchy, touchy. Release, sir, release.
Right back at you. Why do you react so badly to a critique of Wikileaks? The comment that they can no longer claim that no-one is harmed by the release of information in their possession is objectively true, like it or not. Perhaps you should "psychologically evaluate" your own defense of them.
Go back to the playground, and take "I'm rubber, you're glue" with you. You see, what you were doing is what is called "gloating". I was wrong to suggest that you conduct psychological self-examination; clearly you are incompetent to do so, since you are unwilling to acknowledge behaviors you were caught red-handed in! Gloating is a natural human reaction in a variety of situations, which is why I believe you have some deeper grudge to cause you to gloat, and no amount of sobbing about objective fact will change that.
Bakustra wrote:Explain how WikiLeaks is responsible beyond trusting the wrong individual and making a mistake in releasing data after losing a number of personnel. I bet it's going to revolve around them not being supposed to have access to this data. In that case, you should (again) elucidate your real complaint.

But you also suggest that they did so deliberately. I have to ask why you consider this to be equally reasonable to the story that they have presented. Do you have some information to counter the actions taken by WikiLeaks, which are inconsistent to your paranoid imagining?
No. I said that we don't know whether the act was deliberate or not.
Cry me a river, you yellow-bellied manbaby. We don't know whether the Sun will rise tomorrow, but the alternative is incredibly unlikely. I asked you why you feel that the deliberate leak of the uncensored information by Wikileaks is likely enough to be worth mentioning as a possibility, as it is inconsistent with their behavior thus far. You see, this was something that you had to suggest, but rather than lay out why you believe it to be so (even if it were "Julian Assange is a paranoid douchebag", something I can heartily agree with) you run away from it.
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Elfdart wrote:Why put the word collaborators in scare quotes?
Sarcasm quotes. People who have cooperated with the US for any reason in some areas are called collaborators. Such as interpreters and school teachers.
If we're talking about innocent people (NOT collaborators) then Wikileaks isn't responsible, the US government is for putting these innocent people in that position to begin with.
I agree.
Like the CIA and Obama's Justice Department?
I was thinking Taliban and ISI.
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Bakustra wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:
Bakustra wrote:Touchy, touchy. Release, sir, release.
Right back at you. Why do you react so badly to a critique of Wikileaks? The comment that they can no longer claim that no-one is harmed by the release of information in their possession is objectively true, like it or not. Perhaps you should "psychologically evaluate" your own defense of them.
Go back to the playground, and take "I'm rubber, you're glue" with you. You see, what you were doing is what is called "gloating". I was wrong to suggest that you conduct psychological self-examination; clearly you are incompetent to do so, since you are unwilling to acknowledge behaviors you were caught red-handed in! Gloating is a natural human reaction in a variety of situations, which is why I believe you have some deeper grudge to cause you to gloat, and no amount of sobbing about objective fact will change that.
Now, this post of yours is an example of what's called an outright lie. No, I was not gloating. I was making an observation.

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No. I said that we don't know whether the act was deliberate or not.
Cry me a river, you yellow-bellied manbaby. We don't know whether the Sun will rise tomorrow, but the alternative is incredibly unlikely. I asked you why you feel that the deliberate leak of the uncensored information by Wikileaks is likely enough to be worth mentioning as a possibility, as it is inconsistent with their behavior thus far. You see, this was something that you had to suggest, but rather than lay out why you believe it to be so (even if it were "Julian Assange is a paranoid douchebag", something I can heartily agree with) you run away from it.
What the hell are you talking about? Obviously it's a possibility that they did it voluntarily. It's also a possibility that there are factions within Wikileaks which have differing views on what to do.
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...and you know that wikipedia released it....how? I find it more likely that it happened exactly like they said it - they gave the stuff to media partners who then lost it.
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Thanas wrote:...and you know that wikipedia released it....how? I find it more likely that it happened exactly like they said it - they gave the stuff to media partners who then lost it.
Please point to the place where I say that I "know" that wikileaks released it *.

Anyhow, one would think that it would be responsible to redact the sensitive information before releasing it to the press.

* Or wikipedia for that matter.
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Now, this post of yours is an example of what's called an outright lie. No, I was not gloating. I was making an observation.
You cannot prove that, and so it cannot actually be an outright lie. It is quite possible that you innocently made an observation that incorporated one of the major talking points against WikiLeaks, one which you have, after I made my post, repeatedly indicated that you sympathized with, and which seems to form the core of your arguments against the organization. It is possible that not a trace of vindication was in your thoughts as you made that post. So I will subside, and you should probably lick your wounds, given how they seem to smart.
What the hell are you talking about? Obviously it's a possibility that they did it voluntarily. It's also a possibility that there are factions within Wikileaks which have differing views on what to do.
So why do you consider it to be so likely that it is brought up as a reasonable possibility? I mean, it's possible that someone spontaneously guessed the password, too, but that's incredibly unlikely! Just answer the question.
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Thanas wrote:...and you know that wikipedia released it....how? I find it more likely that it happened exactly like they said it - they gave the stuff to media partners who then lost it.
Please point to the place where I say that I "know" that wikileaks released anything *.

Anyhow, one would think that it would be responsible to redact the sensitive information before releasing it to the press.

* Or wikileaks, for that matter.
So what you're saying is that WikiLeaks, a volunteer organization without any real experience in expunging documents, should have not involved the Daily Telegraph, Der Spiegel, or any other journalistic organization (which has such experience) in the process of censoring the documents for publication? And that they should have afterwards destroyed the originals completely? Are you for fucking real?
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Lord Zentei wrote:
Thanas wrote:...and you know that wikipedia released it....how? I find it more likely that it happened exactly like they said it - they gave the stuff to media partners who then lost it.
Please point to the place where I say that I "know" that wikileaks released it *.

Anyhow, one would think that it would be responsible to redact the sensitive information before releasing it to the press.

* Or wikipedia for that matter.
No, the press sources they used demanded a complete set of the database and the masterkey before they would deal with Assange as they wanted to be the one filtering it and not trusting Assange to be unbiased. And Assange was very afraid to hand it over precisely out of fear of this getting out of hand. Der Spiegel detailed this process in their wikileaks book.
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