When you think Trek "jumped the shark?"

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-03 03:57am

For me it was when "First Contact" came out. This was the downfall of the Borg and they were my favorite villain. Of course, then there was Voyager...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-03-03 04:05am

Voyager.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-03-03 04:10am

Voyager

Yeah, that about sums it up...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-03 04:15am

When B&B started with the travesty that was Voyager.

I have a feeling that most of the answers to this thread, will be Voyager.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-03-03 04:48am

Voyager.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-03-03 08:26am

Did Voyager start before Generations was released? If not I'm going with Generations.

Bad Death for Captain Kirk
Reused FX scene from ST VI (BOP's destruction)
Many Plot Holes and head scratchers

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-03-03 09:01am

I thought that ST jumped the shark much earlier, during the TNG years??

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-03-03 09:43am

Tsyroc wrote:Did Voyager start before Generations was released? If not I'm going with Generations.

Bad Death for Captain Kirk
Reused FX scene from ST VI (BOP's destruction)
Many Plot Holes and head scratchers

Voyager came out in 1995. Generations in 1994.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-03 10:55am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:I thought that ST jumped the shark much earlier, dyring the TNG years??

Actually, it declined somewhat from TNG but it certainly was still a great show and still had a great episodes.

But Voyager was an unredeemed peice of shit! Once B&B got complete control (something they really didn't have on DS9) that's what killed Trek, combined with Generations and the mediocre to shitty TNG movies.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-03 11:04am

when DS9 ended.

damn, that was a good show.....

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-03 11:07am

Col. Crackpot wrote:when DS9 ended. damn, that was a good show.....

Seconded.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-03 11:15am

Best of Both Worlds heralded the end of decent Trek. Although some of DS9 was entertaining at times I think the Dominion War could have been done better, AR-588 made me wretch and only one main character dying was pretty blah

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2003-03-03 03:19pm

Voyager

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-03-03 04:41pm

The end of TNG.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-03-03 05:17pm

The beginning of year 7 in TNG. Though DS9 had its good points.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-03-03 05:56pm

The awful plague that was Voyager. In defense of TNG, whenever people think of bad trek the usual first example they use is from Voyager. Voyager had the it all, bad characters, bad subplots, AWFUL science, technobabble to teh nth degree...the FUCKING RESET button, TNG was still decent, even some of the weaker episodes were better than many of Voyager's best.

Voyager deprived Trek of power and now when Enterprise swings around it will deprive Trek of its life.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-03-03 06:34pm

Actually, it declined somewhat from TNG but it certainly was still a great show and still had a great episodes.

That's the very definition of the phrase "jumped the shark".

Bartman · Post by **Bartman** » 2003-03-03 07:10pm

I remember sitting down to watch Voyager with a friend who was a fanatic Treker. He even wore his uniform to watch the show in. The episode was Threshold. Until that point I still hadn't given up on Voyager, after all Star Trek usually seems to need a season to find its feet. However the moment Janeway had Paris' salamander babies, I gave up on Trek. I haven't intentionally watched a full episode since then. As a side note my friend sold all his Trek related stuff that same year.

For me Threshold was the moment I recognized that Trek had jumped the shark, but Parallax was probably when it did so.

Butterbean569 · Post by **Butterbean569** » 2003-03-03 09:59pm

Hmm....

I'd have to say Voyager. The thing is, DS9 was still going good when Voyager came out....so maybe once DS9 ended and Voyager was the last vestage of ST left?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-03 10:14pm

I liked the later episodes of Deep Space 9.
But I think Generations was it. Contrived plot, rampant, glaring plot-holes, insanely weak death for Kirk, failure of Kirk's death to satisfy his prediction in Star Trek V, no character growth, run-of-the-mill psycho for a villain, et cetera. It was a gigantic step down from Star Trek VI.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-03 10:55pm

Stravo wrote:Voyager deprived Trek of power and now when Enterprise swings around it will deprive Trek of its life.

I get it! I get it!

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-03-03 11:01pm

Generations. Its down there with TMP and ST:V as one of the worst. Of course, this was a blow to the movie industry, they could've made up in TV. Enter Voyager. Trek is gone at that moment. Enterprise exists to only reassure us of treks demise.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-04 03:41pm

ST Insurrection killed it for me.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-03-04 03:57pm

I don't think there is a definite POINT where you can truly say that Trek lost its magic. Voyager was certainly a large leap in that direction, but TNG started the downward spiral. As a whole, TNG was a success in spite of the over-use of technobabble and some how, the treknobabble turned into a brain bug. I would think the writers are smart enough to realize that the treknobabble was not the cause of TNG's success.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2003-03-04 08:26pm

Durandal wrote:I liked the later episodes of Deep Space 9.
But I think Generations was it. Contrived plot, rampant, glaring plot-holes, insanely weak death for Kirk, failure of Kirk's death to satisfy his prediction in Star Trek V, no character growth, run-of-the-mill psycho for a villain, et cetera. It was a gigantic step down from Star Trek VI.

Well, Kirk's prediction may have yet to come to pass, as far as I'm concerned he never died in Generations.