Another Shep Hijack

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-03 08:48pm

Da, trovaniche, the old stuff is always useful.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-03-03 09:02pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: Never, ever throw ANYTHING away! No, not even that T-54. You may need it later!

Nope. Nope. Pablo got it wrong.

"Never throw anything AWAY...No, not even that T-34/85, with
PaK 40 hits on its turret and slogans from the Great Patriotic War on it's turret!"

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-03-03 09:23pm

MKSheppard wrote:"Never throw anything AWAY...No, not even that T-34/85, with
PaK 40 hits on its turret and slogans from the Great Patriotic War on it's turret!"

No, you sell that to a client state

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-04 08:59am

MKSheppard wrote:
RadiO wrote: EDIT: Because - Crap, Shep just answered my question even as I was posting this. Sorted!
Eh, we can wait for Vympel to come on later tonight. He has a massive
mega multi meg dossier on every piece of soviet hardware ever made,
that is only viewable to HAB denizens...

He'll be able to explain it in much better detail than I would ever be
able to

The Heavy Armor Brigage has dossiers on Soviet stuff? I LOVE Soviet weapons, I don't kmow why, but I virtually jack off to AKs.Gee, how do you join the HAB?

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2003-03-04 09:13am

You have to love tanks and hate mecha!

The Nice Guy

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-03-04 09:23am

Setzer wrote:The Heavy Armor Brigage has dossiers on Soviet stuff? I LOVE Soviet weapons, I don't kmow why, but I virtually jack off to AKs.Gee, how do you join the HAB?

click usergroup tab, select HAB at request membership menu, there you go.

btw is the 7.92x33 still manufactured?
(I still have 38 original ones)

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-04 09:41am

The_Nice_Guy wrote:You have to love tanks and hate mecha!

The Nice Guy

And avoid Flamewars too... LOL

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-03-04 09:47am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Indeed, the latest generation of Russian assault rifles such as the AN-94 were built to use 5.56mm NATO rounds I believe,
Not really. Although I think it was designed with the possibility of doing so.

but as Russia has HUGE ammo dumps of 7.62mm, they simply keep using the older AKs for their conscripts and the newer rifles for spec-ops.

Virtually all servicemen in the Russian army use the AK-74 with its 5.45 round, but the Soviet doctrine on obsolescent weapons still holds true:quote]

Yeah, and some elite units use the AN-94. I've heard from one Russian that some soldiers in Chechenya actually prefer to use the AKM instead of AK-74.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-04 10:38am

*strides into thread*

anyone with any request on even the most anal retentive piece of post-WW2 Soviet equipment, come to me

Never, ever throw ANYTHING away! No, not even that T-54. You may need it later!

LOL. A litle perspective: The JS-2 was official retired from service in 1995. Yes, that's right, 51 years of service in the Red Army.

Indeed, the latest generation of Russian assault rifles such as the AN-94 were built to use 5.56mm NATO rounds I believe

The AN-94 uses 5.45x39mm, and some new 5.45x39mm rounds have been developed- the Russians have made big advances in armor piercing and they make some sweet 9x39mm rounds for their silenced assault and sniper rifles (the AS Val and the VSS Vintorez).

However, if we're talking about new rounds, they've developed an intermediate 6x49mm cartridge. This may be the 'new wave'.

Or they may just stick to good ol 5.45x39mm, though in urban combat it has a tendency to richochet. That's why a few Russian soldiers in Chechnya were seen toting AKMs.

It's funny actually, the "don't throw anything away policy" means you have a one-stop shop for every possible contingency- hence D-44 85mm field guns developed in 1944 were wheeled out and used in Chechnya:

Why? You don't need huge 152mm field guns like the Giatsint-B or MSTA-B for most situations, you need light guns you can move around and get a rapid rate of fire going with.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-03-04 12:55pm

Vympel, what HASN'T the Russian Army gotten rid of since WWII?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-04 12:56pm

Ted wrote:Vympel, what HASN'T the Russian Army gotten rid of since WWII?

Waste not, want not.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-04 08:54pm

Ted wrote:Vympel, what HASN'T the Russian Army gotten rid of since WWII?

That would be a LONG list. Don't you mean what HAVE they gotten rid of?

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-05 10:22am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
Setzer wrote:The Heavy Armor Brigage has dossiers on Soviet stuff? I LOVE Soviet weapons, I don't kmow why, but I virtually jack off to AKs.Gee, how do you join the HAB?

click usergroup tab, select HAB at request membership menu, there you go.

btw is the 7.92x33 still manufactured?
(I still have 38 original ones)

OK, I'm in. And ready to deal out 4 barreled 12.7mm death to all mecha fanboys. That is, if the 57mm rockets and SWATTERs don't get em first.

BTW, how do you like my new Sig?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-05 10:28am

Setzer wrote:
OK, I'm in. And ready to deal out 4 barreled 12.7mm death to all mecha fanboys. That is, if the 57mm rockets and SWATTERs don't get em first.

Judging by your Mi-24P HIND-F sig, that would be 30mm death, 81mm rockets and SPIRALs.

BTW, how do you like my new Sig?

One of the few Russian HIND pics on the net I haven't seen

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-05 11:30am

Vympel wrote:
Setzer wrote:
OK, I'm in. And ready to deal out 4 barreled 12.7mm death to all mecha fanboys. That is, if the 57mm rockets and SWATTERs don't get em first.
Judging by your Mi-24P HIND-F sig, that would be 30mm death, 81mm rockets and SPIRALs.

BTW, how do you like my new Sig?
One of the few Russian HIND pics on the net I haven't seen

I said SIG! Not AVATAR! My Avatar is an Apocalypse tank, and I like those also.

FUCK, I can't believe I missed the gun type. Ah, well, the bigger the better.
If only there were some way to mount a 50mm gun on my HIND...
::Commenses Homer Simpson style drooling::

Major Wargasm.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-03-05 11:31am

Vympel wrote:
Setzer wrote:
OK, I'm in. And ready to deal out 4 barreled 12.7mm death to all mecha fanboys. That is, if the 57mm rockets and SWATTERs don't get em first.
Judging by your Mi-24P HIND-F sig, that would be 30mm death, 81mm rockets and SPIRALs.

BTW, how do you like my new Sig?
One of the few Russian HIND pics on the net I haven't seen

I said SIG! Not AVATAR! My Avatar is an Apocalypse tank, and I like those also. I couldn't find a HIND picture small enough for an Avatar.

FUCK, I can't believe I missed the gun type. Ah, well, the bigger the better.
If only there were some way to mount a 50mm gun on my HIND...
::Commenses Homer Simpson style drooling::

Major Wargasm.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-03-05 11:45am

Setzer: That's the most beautiful sig picture I've ever seen.