Path of Least Destruction

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-03-03 11:07am

Ok. Here's a new scenario: You are charged with taking over the Star Trek universe. You can use any Star Wars weaponry, but you must use the MINIMUM amount of equipment/personnel.

For example, someone will inevitably suggest using a Death Star. Obviously, someone else could forsee using less force than this, and so on. I want to know what is the LEAST amount of force needed to accomplish the subjugation of the Alpha quadrant.

Enjoy...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-03 11:13am

One World Devastator would do nicely.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-03 11:15am

And this CLEARLY belongs in Star Wars versus Star Trek.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-03-03 11:19am

Sorry about that...

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-03-03 11:32am

One sun crusher and a subspace reciver waiting for a surrender call.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-03-03 11:41am

Since World Devastator was taken i'll say a Katana style fleet but replace Dereadnaughts with VSD's such as the one's in "New Rebellion"

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-03-03 12:23pm

I'll take that civiliation with One Star Destroyer.

Go to a significant (but not critical) Federation planet. Use orbital fire to destroy all major cities and any orbital installations. Immediately hyperdrive to another system and repeat the process.

After smashing two major planets this way, send a message to the Federation: surrender unconditionally or the attacks will continue. Give them less than a day to comply before resuming attacks.

If they have not yet surrendered, attack another planet every day until they do. With hyperdrive, it would be easy to retreat out of reach of Starfleet reprisal (not that they're likely to be able to gather enough ships to threaten an ISD on short notice).

Actually occupying the Federation and consolidating power is a different problem, but forcing a surrender from the government should be easy.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-03-03 12:29pm

Easy. Use a single ISD to perform hit and runs until the Feddies surrender.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-03-03 12:53pm

Captain tycho wrote:Easy. Use a single ISD to perform hit and runs until the Feddies surrender.

Beat ya to it.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-03-03 02:24pm

Realistically one SSD. You use the SSD to capture a planet and drop an invasion force. The Imperial army division based on a SSD is enough to hold a Federation planet. From there you set up manufacturing plants to add to the said army and start to plan orbital shipyards. From that single SSD the whole Quadrant is open to conquest. THe only problem is that it'll take a while.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-03-03 02:31pm

I have all Star Wars weaponry available, so I would use the following:

-36 B-wings
-36 X-wings
-36 Tie Bombers (hyperspace capable), carrying both high-yield thermonuclear surface bombs and biological weapons
-5 transport ships (carrying munitions and fuel).

I would create 3 assault wings consisting of:
-12 Tie Bombers - for quick planetary bombing
-12 B-wings - to assault orbital structures
-12 X-wings - for escorting the other ships

Since Federation space is so small, I would hyperspace each wing at strategic locations at close range. I use the bombers to drop their bombs on as many major cities as I could in 2 minutes. I use the B-wings to assault and destroy orbital structures (Spacedock, Utopia Planitia shipyards, etc). I use the X-wings to provide cover fire. The entire wing would have 4 minutes to do as much damage as possible, then they jump to hyperspace to their next target (or to the refueling point if necessary).

I would have each wing hitting major planets directly. I would continue my raids until the Federation surrendered. Total number of personnel involved:

144 fighter/bomber pilots (I believe TIE Bombers carry two people)
500 transport personnel (a generous assumption, may be less)

Total: 644 personnel.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-03-03 03:31pm

One ISD or carrier with fighters. Replace the stock TIEs with TIE Avengers or Defenders, doesn't matter which, and Assault Gunboats. Hyperspace from system to system destroying *only* military targets. After a few dozen Starbases get blown away without appreciable losses to the ISD and fighter taskgroup, the Federation will surrender. More importantly, the civilian population will be afraid of the Empire--proven military superiority--but not hate it as a result of massive and unnecessary deaths of the civilian populace.

When the Empire turns right around and starts spending money to bolster the Federation "economy" and provide great new toys for the civilian population, as well as providing vastly increased security from the Federation's enemies, the population will within a generation become loyal to the Emperor.

Note that the main use of the ISD or Carrier is to provide a point for the fighters to refuel and rearm between missions. Though truthfully I don't think even an ISD's fighter complement could completely subjugate the Federation and annihilate Starfleet without minimal capital ship support. Ground troops shouldn't be necessary for initial operations since the Federation has no appreciable ground forces available to it, and damage to the civilian infrastructure is to be kept to a bare minimum. AT-ATs marching through cities tend to cause collateral damage.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-03-03 05:42pm

1 SSD would do it for me.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-03-03 07:48pm

One Eclipse-Class Star Destroyer. So you think you're tough Feds? BAM! Earth is leveled to the fucking ground in one swift stroke. And I'd have lots of fighters, too.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-03-03 07:52pm

I thought the idea was the *least* amount of force needed to force the Federation to capitulate. Destroying planets, or even BDZing them, is quite a lot of force.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2003-03-03 08:32pm

I think that it is funny now, looking back at the story where one ISD comes in and nearly destroys the whole Federation fleet. Star Destroyers Rampant I believe was the story. When it was written the guy who wrote it was criticized by all but the most rabid of warsies. Now he is essentially hailed as a visionary =/.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-03-03 08:55pm

The path of minimal effort would be destroying every ship each in thr AQ arsenal while only landing to demand supplies for a few Star Destroyers. Not as many would die and still more would throw down their arms.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-03 08:58pm

The path of minimum destruction might be to use a squadron of assault gunboats loaded up with high-yield warheads and seismic charges. Honestly, the fact that such small vessels can wreak such incredible havoc would almost certainly give the Federation reason to pause. However, it would not be as intimidating as an ISD or SSD, and there is some question as to how readily the Federation would surrender to such a force.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-03 09:06pm

Admiral_K wrote:I think that it is funny now, looking back at the story where one ISD comes in and nearly destroys the whole Federation fleet. Star Destroyers Rampant I believe was the story. When it was written the guy who wrote it was criticized by all but the most rabid of warsies. Now he is essentially hailed as a visionary =/.

He wasn't nailed for the technical details so much. Instead it was the fact it was a horrible, horrible story.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-03-03 09:14pm

Ultimately, it can be done with a squadron of Assault Gunboats with conc missile/seismic charge loadouts, carried by a Nebulon-B frigate. Moreover, it can be done with no damage to Federation territory.

Plan:

1) Taking advantage of Federation protocol, request a diplomatic team aboard. Offer a technology demonstration.

2) Upon offer being accepted, hyperspace to Borg space, selecting a minorly guarded world. Keep Cubes at arms length with turbolaser fire, and hit multiple ground sites with seismic charges. Finish off Cube, prepare for return to Earth.

3) Politely ask if there's an opening for a new Grand Admiral. Explain concept of Grand Admiral. Offer more demonstrations, 'Closer to Federation territory so all may see', if they get nasty.

Viola. Bring in the occupation force.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-03 09:19pm

8 bwings loaded with sei charges.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-03-03 09:19pm

Single Eclipse Class Crusier with half a dozen ISD Escourts and full Sector Fleet I have hold the Terriotory and having a ship they can't kill over every planet will do that rather nicley

Much like how hard it would have been for the Viet Cong if we keep full tank Battilons outside of each Village

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-03-03 09:36pm

A Nebulon B frigate and 20 Y Wings. Nebulon B takes out orbital structures and any ships too strong for the Y Wings (not likely) and any overley offending ground installations.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-03-03 09:42pm

One ISD. Go in orbit above Earth, and melt San Fransico with a HTL shot. Every minute another city goes. Any movement by Starfleet and there's a full broadside.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-03 09:51pm

One Carrack-class cruiser. It has HTLs, yes?