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LOS ANGELES – After years of anticipation, the first Chinese-built car is finally being offered for sale in the U.S.

But far from being the vanguard of an invasion of cheap Chinese cars that U.S. automakers once feared, the Coda sedan, as the model is being called, is a pricey niche model: a $44,900 all-electric sedan.

And it's not entirely Chinese. The battery is made in China by a joint venture of which Los Angeles-based Coda has a 40% stake. The body is made at a contract builder in China.

But the car was largely engineered in the U.S., and some of its electronics are American-made. Plus, the battery is attached to the body in Benicia, Calif.

Coda executives aren't shy about the car's origins. "This will be the first Chinese car in the U.S.," Coda CEO Philip Murtaugh declared as he opened Coda's sales center at a shopping mall in Los Angeles' tony Century City last week.

Rather than looking like a high-tech wonder, the Coda is a plain sedan that is priced almost $5,000 more than the Chevrolet Volt extended-range electric and about $9,700 more than the all-electric Nissan Leaf. All-electric vehicles are eligible for federal tax credits up to $7,500, which reduce their cost a bit.

But Coda has a longer range than its two better-known competitors. Test drivers report going more than 100 miles between charges in the Coda, including climbing hills and cruising freeways at more than 70 miles per hour. Murtaugh says range will be the edge that allows the Coda to compete against better-known, lower-priced brands.

While lithium-ion batteries have become somewhat of an electric-car mainstay, Coda uses a different chemistry — lithium iron phosphate. Some 728 cells are built into the chassis.

Coda is the exception in a Chinese auto industry that explored coming to the U.S. but never made the move. Demand in China, one of the world's fastest-growing auto markets, has been so vibrant that there was no need. And Chinese automakers have had trouble reaching the quality levels demanded by U.S. consumers, analysts say.

Even now, "All Chinese automakers need improvements in vehicles and design," says Tim Dunne, director of global auto operations for J.D. Power and Associates, who was stationed in China for 14 years.

Chinese auto exports are increasing, but mostly to other emerging nations. Alysha Webb, a former Automotive News correspondent in China who now writes a Chinese car blog, says she's not sure American car buyers will be "comfortable" buying Chinese. "I think it is going to be a big issue."
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End of era: Last Ford Crown Victoria rolls down line

Employees gather around as the last Ford Crown Victoria rolls off the production at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant in St. Thomas, Ontario,CAPTIONBy GEOFF ROBINS, CNWThe last Ford Crown Victoria rolled off the assembly line at the automaker's St. Thomas plant in Canada today, marking the end of the huge, body-on-frame, rear-wheel-drive car as the reigning king of the American road.

In its last year, the Crown Vic, as it is known, was being bought almost entirely by police departments and taxi operators who appreciated its body-on-frame construction which helped it stand up to a daily beating.

Along with its predecessors, cars like the Ford LTD and Galaxie, Chevrolet Caprice and Plymouth Fury, and various corporate clones, the full-size sedan with a V-8 engine was a symbol of American success for middle-class families from the 1960s to the 1990s when the SUV craze truly took hold. The large, heavy car was product of cheap gas and a desire for roomy interiors that eclipsed the smaller cars driven in much of the rest of the world.

While the rest of us lament the passing of an era, Ford is going to miss the healthy profits that the Crown Vic brought in. It sold 1.8 million of them since the latest version was introduced in 1992. As other automakers spent billions developing smaller, more fuel-thrifty, unibody cars, the Crown Vic plodded on. As if in tribute, Ford has seen a rush of sales on the Crown Vic in its waning months, likely from police departments who aren't anxious to experiment with replacements.

Besides the Crown Vic, its corporate sister, the Lincoln Town Car, a favorite of car-service operators, is also disappearing this year. Ford is trying to corporate fleet operators on various alternative models as replacements -- from Transit Connect vans for taxi services to Lincoln MKT crossovers to limousine operators.
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Are you going to link these events? What's the narrative? Emerging manufacturer makes niche product, old local product discontinued??
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Yeah I'm with Stark. These two articles don't seem really related. It's really just more of China trying to expand their goods into our markets.

And oh some old hunk of metal will no longer be produced. Until someone in charge gets nostalgic and brings it back that is.
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Both events are actually pretty momentous.

The first event is pretty obvious -- the first Chinese automobile ever to be sold on a dedicated basis in the US; rather than being a one off specialty import for rich people with lots of money.

The Crown Vic was the last RWD sedan sold in the US, what with the Chevy Caprice dying quite some time ago. The long term viability of non frame construction for heavy duty occupations like taxis or service vehicles (police, etc) is still very vague here -- the revived Dodge Charger has only been sold as a police car here for four years.
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Nah, there are plenty of RWD designs made in the US- Chrysler 300, Cadillac CTS, Camaros and Corvettes, etc. It's just most of them are not exactly cheap, being muscle cars or luxury sedans.

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To be specific, the Crown Vic was the last body on frame RWD sedan that's sold in the US. The rebadged Holdens along with the CTS, Camaros, and other RWD cars are all unibody designs, with the Corvette being the last one with a separate frame. It gets a bit more fun since the Corvette does have a bit more integration between the body & frame than a traditional body on frame design where you just drop the body onto the frame and bolt it on.
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Stark wrote:Were CVs niche or commercial vehicles?
Commercial and used alot by police.
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I understand some police in the US are either changing to specifcally designed 'police cars' or using generic sedans like they do in other countries. Did this impact the CV's sales?
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Stark wrote:Are you going to link these events? What's the narrative? Emerging manufacturer makes niche product, old local product discontinued??
My impression is more of the decline of manufacturing sector in developed nations while rise of manufacturing section (including now the more hi end, ie expensive goods) from developed nations particularly China. Shep has used this type of narrative in the past, and its not like he is the only poster who has commented on this trend. Shep however doesn't seem to mind, and is simply reporting how he sees it, while others like BO bemoan the loss of industry in his home country.
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Stark wrote:Were CVs niche or commercial vehicles?
It was a police, taxi, and old people car until around 2003-04 or thereabouts, then it was primarily for taxi and police use. I would guess that some old people still bought it, but you'd rarely see one on a dealership lot.
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It certainly shouldn't be surprising. But linking a single manufacturer making a limited-appeal vehicle as a flagship to penetrate a new market to the end of a design/mark that only existed to serve commerical markets is a bit strange. What next? KIA makes hybrid car, Hilux stops production? :)

We'll certainly see much more high-end (and high-quality or finish) stuff come out of the developed world in future. The trends in China have been pretty strong, and I imagine it'll only get stronger - especially if they break new markets in this way. In the car market it seems to take a decade or so to develop the institutional knowledge and capability to compete directly with more 'first world' products', at least if you look at the example of the Korean manufacturers.
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Flagg wrote:Commercial and used alot by police.
Also they used to be quite popular. My family car growing up was a Caprice; and even now, the 'rent drives a Mercury Grand Marquis (rebadged Crown Vic).
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Stark wrote:But linking a single manufacturer making a limited-appeal vehicle as a flagship to penetrate a new market
I've said it before; this is the first Chinese car ever to be sold in the US seriously of any type. 2011 will be a automotive milestone just for that, next to 1957 which was when the first Japanese car was imported and sold in the US seriously.
to the end of a design/mark that only existed to serve commerical markets is a bit strange.
Last of the classic American RWD sedans being retired from production, while at the same time, the large RWD sedan market in China is growing and growing?
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MKSheppard wrote:Last of the classic American RWD sedans being retired from production, while at the same time, the large RWD sedan market in China is growing and growing?
So? There are plenty of RWD sedans made in America apparently, and lots of countries make cars that are sold in America. It could quite easily take more than a decade for the Chinese company to compete directly, so poor old American industry has ages to stop sucking and going bankrupt.
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RIP Crown Vic. I will miss being able to identify the silhouette of a likely police cruiser from a full mile away, sans light bar.
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RIP Crown Vic. :cry:
erik_t wrote:I will miss being able to identify the silhouette of a likely police cruiser from a full mile away, sans light bar.
As a general rule cop cars scream 'cop car' if you're paying any kind of attention anyway.
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erik_t wrote:RIP Crown Vic. I will miss being able to identify the silhouette of a likely police cruiser from a full mile away, sans light bar.

Same, although around here it's mostly Chargers nowadays.
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I used to own a Crown Vic, a '92, it was a former police car, ran strong when I got it, ran strong when I sold it, still ran strong when the new owner sold it. It wasn't even that bad on gas, I could get 28 mpg on the highway, which is about the same as my v-6 Maxima gets now. Great car, all in all, I kinda miss it.
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PhilosopherOfSorts wrote:I used to own a Crown Vic, a '92, it was a former police car, ran strong when I got it, ran strong when I sold it, still ran strong when the new owner sold it. It wasn't even that bad on gas, I could get 28 mpg on the highway, which is about the same as my v-6 Maxima gets now. Great car, all in all, I kinda miss it.
erik_t wrote:RIP Crown Vic.
Yeah, I'll miss them. I could probably make more money driving one of the minivans, especially now that we get to charge a buck per extra head (the compromise we were handed the last time we begged the government for a meter raise), but the Crown Vics are way more fun to drive. The one I have right now has the full interceptor package, no major damage, and was only on 62,000 miles (practically unheard-of) when I got it. Great acceleration, handles decently (except on ice, where RWD sucks hard), and capable of taking some very solid hits, including the one a few years ago that nearly crippled my passenger and the Escalade that rear-ended me, but only smashed in my bumper.
erik_t wrote:I will miss being able to identify the silhouette of a likely police cruiser from a full mile away, sans light bar.
That's the one thing I hate about the Crown Vic - Being mistaken for a fucking cop. I can't even count how many times some drunken jackass has slowed down to the exact speed limit (or less) in the only lane when they've spotted me behind them in the mirror, often when I need to be somewhere right fucking now to get paid, and just tonight I had a drunk get belligerently hostile with me abruptly after making a logical leap from, "This was once a cop car," to, "My driver is an on-duty undercover police officer!" for no apparent reason besides alcohol.

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The last Crown Vic built will be exported to Saudi Arabia, because large sedans like that are insanely popular there.

Also some numbers -- 80,000 Crown Vics were built last year; but the factory could make 250,000, hence it's demise.
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In our market this cars have been present from like 3 pr 4 years now. They are nothing especial, and actually most of them are fairly average. Just trowing that info..
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